All Page 1 Zach Wilson Threads: MERGED

[JagsFanJif]

17 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Immediate cancelation  

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[QB1]

1 minute ago, JiFapono said:

In preparation for the clean up, this post has been reported. 

Good, good

[JagsFanJif]

28 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Heres the thing about Wilson though, and part of the reason I think hes going to be successful- he doesn’t give a SH!T what you or I think. You see, Wilson doesn’t look like a kid in every photo (see below) but he isn’t insecure enough to curate his Instagram to make him look tough. He could give two sh!ts about looking like a kid. He has confidence in who he is, like Steve young said, doubt this kids grit and toughness and you will look like a fool. 

[BCJet]

37 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Good time to point out that Ourlads Scouting are the geniuses who gave birth to sitting in the stands at the combine, 100 yards away from QB's who are focused on completing passing during drills and using a radar gun to make proclamations like; Deshaun Watson is not draft-able because 49 MPH.

Has anyone ever thought to themselves lately; there are no draft "experts"?  Because the more and more this sh*t becomes serious business, the more the truth become abundantly clear.  Nobody is good at this, nobody.  There are maybe like 3 legitimate measurements that project to the next level and the rest is like the ******* lotto.  And guess what the lotto doesnt have?  Experts telling you what numbers to pick. 

 

At least someone has pointed this out.

Im not saying we all cant have our opinions, thats what a message board is for. But the amount of fans on here who are "positive" a player will be good or bust is absurd, esp with the QBs.  Even for GM's its usually a coin flip with QBs and as good as this class seems, its likely 2 of the 5 first rounders wont be any good.  

I think its far more important to have a good organizational structure and understanding of your offensive and defensive schemes to pick players that fit and when you do find a QB either through the draft or elsewhere, your team is good enough to be very competitive. 

[JagsFanJif]

23 minutes ago, BCJet said:

At least someone has pointed this out.

Im not saying we all cant have our opinions, thats what a message board is for. But the amount of fans on here who are "positive" a player will be good or bust is absurd, esp with the QBs.  Even for GM's its usually a coin flip with QBs and as good as this class seems, its likely 2 of the 5 first rounders wont be any good.  

I think its far more important to have a good organizational structure and understanding of your offensive and defensive schemes to pick players that fit and when you do find a QB either through the draft or elsewhere, your team is good enough to be very competitive. 

I'll just never understand Jets fans who put so much stock into "expert opinions" and "GM's" and walk around here confidently like said dbag is the gospel when you know first hand because you've seen it time and time again, that they're full of sh*t and constantly wrong.  So this idea that you're going to hang on to some blow hard like Chris Simms opinion as if he knows his ass from his elbow, is laughable.  None of these guys know sh*t.  That's what years of this process has taught us, none of these guys know the first ******* thing about projecting prospects, especially at QB.    

[Jets Voice of Reason]

1 minute ago, JiFapono said:

I'll just never understand Jets fans who put so much stock into "expert opinions" and "GM's" and walk around here confidently like said dbag is the gospel when you know first hand because you've seen it time and time again, that they're full of sh*t and constantly wrong.  So this idea that you're going to hang on to some blow hard like Chris Simms opinion as if he knows his ass from his elbow, is laughable.  None of these guys know sh*t.  That's what years of this process has taught us, none of these guys know the first ******* thing about projecting prospects, especially at QB.    

GMs get things wrong every year and media guys are incentivized to give controversial takes/mass product different mock drafts. There's like a couple guys who are actually connected and everyone off just mass reports off of their info.

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, JiFapono said:

I'll just never understand Jets fans who put so much stock into "expert opinions" and "GM's" and walk around here confidently like said dbag is the gospel when you know first hand because you've seen it time and time again, that they're full of sh*t and constantly wrong.  So this idea that you're going to hang on to some blow hard like Chris Simms opinion as if he knows his ass from his elbow, is laughable.  None of these guys know sh*t.  That's what years of this process has taught us, none of these guys know the first ******* thing about projecting prospects, especially at QB.    

I disagree.  They can see the accuracy, the fluid movement and quick release.  They can see where they put the ball and how they vary their throws to create YAC.  They can see decision making within the scheme that they are put in.  What they can't do is a post morteum on their brains prior to the draft. 

[T0mShane]

15 minutes ago, Biggs said:

They can see the accuracy, the fluid movement and quick release.

[Jet Life]

18 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

I'll just never understand Jets fans who put so much stock into "expert opinions" and "GM's" and walk around here confidently like said dbag is the gospel when you know first hand because you've seen it time and time again, that they're full of sh*t and constantly wrong.  So this idea that you're going to hang on to some blow hard like Chris Simms opinion as if he knows his ass from his elbow, is laughable.  None of these guys know sh*t.  That's what years of this process has taught us, none of these guys know the first ******* thing about projecting prospects, especially at QB.    

I guess you can replace “expert opinions” and “GM’s” with “local JetNation YouTube scouts” and it would still be accurate.

[PS17]

20 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

I'll just never understand Jets fans who put so much stock into "expert opinions" and "GM's" and walk around here confidently like said dbag is the gospel when you know first hand because you've seen it time and time again, that they're full of sh*t and constantly wrong.  So this idea that you're going to hang on to some blow hard like Chris Simms opinion as if he knows his ass from his elbow, is laughable.  None of these guys know sh*t.  That's what years of this process has taught us, none of these guys know the first ******* thing about projecting prospects, especially at QB.    

If nobody knows sh*t, how come you are so down on Wilson? 

[maury77]

8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

you guys been sendin your notes to douglas or what

That's what we have Football Guy for. 

[JagsFanJif]

9 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

GMs get things wrong every year and media guys are incentivized to give controversial takes/mass product different mock drafts. There's like a couple guys who are actually connected and everyone off just mass reports off of their info.

It's click bait mania...feed the 24 hour news cycle.  That's all.  Nobody knows sh*t. 

 

8 minutes ago, Biggs said:

I disagree.  They can see the accuracy, the fluid movement and quick release.  They can see where they put the ball and how they vary their throws to create YAC.  They can see decision making within the scheme that they are put in.  What they can't do is a post morteum on their brains prior to the draft. 

The issue is, these things mean nothing to projecting to the NFL.  I mean, obviously the sh*tty ones wont be talked about but the truth is, none of those things really matter.  We can go over hundreds of QB's in college who excelled doing these things in school but failed to translate to the NFL.  Hell, in the first round alone you have an 18% hit rate at QB. 

I'm just at the point where you look around the NFL and the guys who are successful sans Tom Brady, are freaks with a brain who are  ultra competitive and can leader other freaks making millions.  I get that might to be very hard to figure that out for sure but there is one dude in the draft who is undoubtedly the superior athlete to everyone else and happens to have an Ivy league brain and yet, he's the guy falling while everyone else, is rising.

 

[JagsFanJif]

6 minutes ago, Jet Life said:

I guess you can replace “expert opinions” and “GM’s” with “local JetNation YouTube scouts” and it would still be accurate.

I could but forgive me for appreciating anyone who actually takes the time to think for themselves and put in a little work rather then going around parroting some blow hard who is literally paid to make stupid outlandish takes to get your attention. 

And as we've seen around these parts many times before, the "local JetNation YouTube Scouts" -could do 10x better job then the experts and especially, former Jets GM's. 

 

[maury77]

6 hours ago, Mogglez said:

I’m considering a hiatus from this forum, but not the Jets.  The whining and complaining about Zach Wilson and Justin Fields has made having the 2nd overall pick in a very strong QB class an absolutely miserable experience.  The New York Jets subreddit is a less toxic cesspool right now, and that is saying something.  

Beyond the forum, I'm kind of done with draft coverage in general. 10 years ago it used to be cool because there were a couple of guys on the net that put out good work and on JI we would have good draft discussions (a bunch of those guys are here now). 

Now, we have a hundred new mock drafts every day, with the proliferation of video on youtube everyone thinks they are Ozzie Newsome breaking down film and 99% of the "draft coverage" we see is gossip and speculation. It's completely oversaturated. 

[FidelioJet]

Here's the problem around here..

The Zach haters point to OurLads and say #4 QB, 11th best overall prospect.  

Which means OurLads really likes him...and likes him a lot..just happens to be a good QB class.

Yet, it's being used to call Zach a bust.  You like Fields betters, I say good for you.  You like Mac Jones better, I say good for you.

It seems our GM likes ZW better (as many others do)

But the Zach haters should stop with the nonsense.  He's a VERY, VERY good NFL QB prospect.    This idea that somehow what we're getting here is he's an absolute bust - is just absurd and should stop.

As stated by some of the more intelligent posters here - These QB's are hit and miss - it's why there are so many varying opinions.  We don't know who's going to fail and who's not.  We have to trust our GM's opinion.  He has far more information than anyone involved..certainly more than OurLads.  Does that mean he's going to be right? No, of course not..

But it should be abundantly clear to even the most ardent ZW hater.  He's a good prospect and has a very good chance to being a highly successful NFL QB.

[Larz]

1 minute ago, JiFapono said:

I could but forgive me for appreciating anyone who actually takes the time to think for themselves and put in a little work rather then going around parroting some blow hard who is literally paid to make stupid outlandish takes to get your attention. 

And as we've seen around these parts many times before, the "local JetNation YouTube Scouts" -could do 10x better job then the experts and especially, former Jets GM's. 

 

I used to love getting 3 sports draft specials and pouring over 100 candidates. The thing is the probability of any fan’s team drafting the players that a fan has put on the list are slim after the first round. 
I think that’s just a way to frustrate yourself. 
 

[maury77]

4 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

I could but forgive me for appreciating anyone who actually takes the time to think for themselves and put in a little work rather then going around parroting some blow hard who is literally paid to make stupid outlandish takes to get your attention. 

And as we've seen around these parts many times before, the "local JetNation YouTube Scouts" -could do 10x better job then the experts and especially, former Jets GM's. 

 

Not for nothing, as much as people worship the opinions of Chris Simms and Daniel Jeremiah, I've never seen either of them break down film the way O'Sullivan, Schofield or even @win4ever do. 

[maury77]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

Here's the problem around here..

The Zach haters point to OurLads and say #4 QB, 11th best overall prospect.  

Which means OurLads really likes him...and likes him a lot..just happens to be a good QB class.

Yet, it's being used to call Zach a bust.  You like Fields betters, I say good for you.  You like Mac Jones better, I say good for you.

It seems our GM likes ZW better (as many others do)

But the Zach haters should stop with the nonsense.  He's a VERY, VERY good NFL QB prospect.    This idea that somehow what we're getting here is he's an absolute bust - is just absurd and should stop.

As stated by some of the more intelligent posters here - These QB's are hit and miss - it's why there are so many varying opinions.  We don't know who's going to fail and who's not.  We have to trust our GM's opinion.  He has far more information than anyone involved..certainly more than OurLads.  Does that mean he's going to be right? No, of course not..

But it should be abundantly clear to even the most ardent ZW hater.  He's a good prospect and has a very good chance to being a highly successful NFL QB.

The real problem is that I blocked you and your posts are still showing up in my feed. @Maxman, any idea why?

[Biggs]

10 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

It's click bait mania...feed the 24 hour news cycle.  That's all.  Nobody knows sh*t. 

 

The issue is, these things mean nothing to projecting to the NFL.  I mean, obviously the sh*tty ones wont be talked about but the truth is, none of those things really matter.  We can go over hundreds of QB's in college who excelled doing these things in school but failed to translate to the NFL.  Hell, in the first round alone you have an 18% hit rate at QB. 

I'm just at the point where you look around the NFL and the guys who are successful sans Tom Brady, are freaks with a brain who are  ultra competitive and can leader other freaks making millions.  I get that might to be very hard to figure that out for sure but there is one dude in the draft who is undoubtedly the superior athlete to everyone else and happens to have an Ivy league brain and yet, he's the guy falling while everyone else, is rising.

 

We could use the dart board method to draft.  Over time it's probably going to outproduce Mac and Idzik at a fraction of the cost.   I get the sense that Zach is ultra competitive and will pursue all avenues to get better.  Obviously the brain is the key to a great QB.  Unfortunately a urine sample or wonderlic won't give you the answer.  

[Jets Voice of Reason]

3 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Beyond the forum, I'm kind of done with draft coverage in general. 10 years ago it used to be cool because there were a couple of guys on the net that put out good work and on JI we would have good draft discussions (a bunch of those guys are here now). 

Now, we have a hundred new mock drafts every day, with the proliferation of video on youtube everyone thinks they are Ozzie Newsome breaking down film and 99% of the "draft coverage" we see is gossip and speculation. It's completely oversaturated. 

What, you don't love the 5 minute highlights video where half of it is color filtered and featuring an underground mix tape where the player is running onto the field or doesn't actually give you the right angle to see the play?

[JagsFanJif]

8 minutes ago, PS17 said:

If nobody knows sh*t, how come you are so down on Wilson? 

First off, it's an opinion and I've steady maintained I dont have a crystal ball.   I was also one of the very first posters on this board to bring up Zach Wilson as an NFL prospect, the stamps are there for your viewing pleasure.  As time has gone on, I simply do not view him as worthy of the #2 overall selection.  I see a very scary prospect and would much prefer other guys to him.  It's an opinion.  While my history in this dept is rather impeccable with a few blemishes here and there, I could be way off.....and since he's our QB, I hope I am.

 

 

 

 

[JagsFanJif]

6 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Beyond the forum, I'm kind of done with draft coverage in general. 10 years ago it used to be cool because there were a couple of guys on the net that put out good work and on JI we would have good draft discussions (a bunch of those guys are here now). 

Now, we have a hundred new mock drafts every day, with the proliferation of video on youtube everyone thinks they are Ozzie Newsome breaking down film and 99% of the "draft coverage" we see is gossip and speculation. It's completely oversaturated. 

100%.  The draft has jumped the shark.   It stupid nonsense at this point.  I used to love it, could give a **** now.  Probably the last time I actually give it any thought and research outside of just watching college ball. 

[PS17]

2 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

First off, it's an opinion and I've steady maintained I dont have a crystal ball.   I was also one of the very first posters on this board to bring up Zach Wilson as an NFL prospect, the stamps are there for your viewing pleasure.  As time has gone on, I simply do not view him as worthy of the #2 overall selection.  I see a very scary prospect and would much prefer other guys to him.  It's an opinion.  While my history in this dept is rather impeccable with a few blemishes here and there, I could be way off.....and since he's our QB, I hope I am.

 

 

 

 

I was pointing out the irony. We have these strong, binary opinions on QB prospects that are lotto tickets. “No one knows sh*t” is the perfect summation of projecting these quarterbacks. 

[QB1]

3 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

100%.  The draft has jumped the shark.   It stupid nonsense at this point.  I used to love it, could give a **** now.  Probably the last time I actually give it any thought and research outside of just watching college ball. 

then leave

[Tranquilo]

Just now, PS17 said:

I was pointing out the irony. We have these strong, binary opinions on QB prospects that are lotto tickets. “No one knows sh*t” is the perfect summation of projecting these quarterbacks. 

He's just whining because people don't agree with his view of Zach Wilson.

[QB1]

12 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Beyond the forum, I'm kind of done with draft coverage in general. 10 years ago it used to be cool because there were a couple of guys on the net that put out good work and on JI we would have good draft discussions (a bunch of those guys are here now). 

Now, we have a hundred new mock drafts every day, with the proliferation of video on youtube everyone thinks they are Ozzie Newsome breaking down film and 99% of the "draft coverage" we see is gossip and speculation. It's completely oversaturated. 

then leave

[FidelioJet]

12 minutes ago, maury77 said:

The real problem is that I blocked you and your posts are still showing up in my feed. @Maxman, any idea why?

Then why are you responding to me?

Please don't.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

10 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

First off, it's an opinion and I've steady maintained I dont have a crystal ball.   I was also one of the very first posters on this board to bring up Zach Wilson as an NFL prospect, the stamps are there for your viewing pleasure.  As time has gone on, I simply do not view him as worthy of the #2 overall selection.  I see a very scary prospect and would much prefer other guys to him.  It's an opinion.  While my history in this dept is rather impeccable with a few blemishes here and there, I could be way off.....and since he's our QB, I hope I am.

 

 

Do you (and other Fields lovers/Zach non believers) just believe Justin Fields has a better chance of being good no matter what? Overcoming any Jet ineptness, more so then Wilson? Like if Wilson was to go to the 49ers or whoever, he'd still likely bust there as well? 

[Jet Life]

26 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

I could but forgive me for appreciating anyone who actually takes the time to think for themselves and put in a little work rather then going around parroting some blow hard who is literally paid to make stupid outlandish takes to get your attention. 

And as we've seen around these parts many times before, the "local JetNation YouTube Scouts" -could do 10x better job then the experts and especially, former Jets GM's. 

 

I appreciate anyone who puts the work in and has a fun hobby with this, my point was that the people here are as stubborn with their takes as the people who are blindly following the experts, when in reality none of us know how this will play out. I’m gonna stay positive!

[JagsFanJif]

14 minutes ago, PS17 said:

I was pointing out the irony. We have these strong, binary opinions on QB prospects that are lotto tickets. “No one knows sh*t” is the perfect summation of projecting these quarterbacks. 

I appreciate a passionate opinion.  

[JagsFanJif]

14 minutes ago, QB1 said:

then leave

In preparation for the clean up, this post has been reported, along with the person who rep'd it.

[rayzor]

2 hours ago, JiFapono said:

but on a more serious note.  Tell me that you dont have confidence running through your veins like a a junkie who just hit some angel dust when you see this picture of the Jets savior at QB

Maybe he's angling for an endorsement?  Can't fault him.  E-Scooters are pretty hot right now.  Mine can go 50mph.

[PS17]

For the “he’s so tiny” crowd. He’s bigger than Super Bowl winners Young and McMahon. And will likely add a little more muscle under an NFL training program. 

[Joe W. Namath]

15 minutes ago, PS17 said:

For the “he’s so tiny” crowd. He’s bigger than Super Bowl winners Young and McMahon. And will likely add a little more muscle under an NFL training program. 

great pic.  I really like this kid.  Seems like a great young man.  Very excited to have him as our qb.

[Pac]

10 hours ago, Mogglez said:

I’m considering a hiatus from this forum, but not the Jets.  The whining and complaining about Zach Wilson and Justin Fields has made having the 2nd overall pick in a very strong QB class an absolutely miserable experience.  The New York Jets subreddit is a less toxic cesspool right now, and that is saying something.  

Why do you care?  Would be so boring if this was a 60 page circle jerk where everyone was anointing Zach the next MVP.

So he looks a bit like Punky Brewster...  Ultimately if he can play thats all anyone will care about.