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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Fans and media didnt cause issues when the Giants were playing Warner with Eli sitting on the bench.  

If Sam beats Wilson out in camp, he starts with Wilson on the bench.  Yes if Sam falters in a game the fans will scream for Wilson.   We're worrying about Sams feelings at this point?  Or are we more concerned with Wilsons development and maybe increasing Sams value at the same time.

thats a good example. 

of course he was going to sit behind Kurt Warner because ......hes Kurt Warner. not Sam Darnold.

and i doubt there was one person in there fan base that wanted 33 yr old Warner to be there QB of the future. thats not the case here as many of you want sam to be our future.

lets look at that 2004 Giants season

Warner wasnt killing it, but he was 5-4 and did have them in the playoff hunt. they ended up just 2 games out of a WC. and i do remember there was some talk to just ride with Kurt to see if they can make the playoffs. but they went with there prized QB pick that everyone was dyeing to see. and Eli went 1-6.

now imagine that happends here? 

sam doesnt kill it. warner had only 6 TDs and 4 INTs. but if sam had us at 5-4 you guys will want to keep him. say he need more weapons and time. and the rest of us will want to see Wilson. 

what a big sh*t storm that will be. 

and what do you really think you can get for sam in the middle of the season.? he would have to learn a new system, and have only 2 months left. 

now is the best time for a trade. you might not like what there offering but it wont get better the closer he gets to Free Agency. you get him for camp, pre-season, etc, etc.... plenty of time to learn the playbook...

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If no serious offers for Sam, start him and let Wilson learn.   This has been done everywhere... mahomes, herbert, tua, mayfield, lamar.      

This idea has been kicked around a little bit but it seems to be getting more legs lately.  Some points being made in the linked video below... If the Jets keep Darnold and he departs after ne

IMO if we take Wilson it would be wise to move on from Sam. If the best offer we are getting is a late 3rd round pick then I'd try to do #23 + Sam for #19 (Washington) or #20 (Bears), value is about a

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5 minutes ago, RogerVick1980 said:

The Mahomes thing was rare it was a team with a solid veteran QB and the team  was already good.. Also even though it worked out who’s to say if Mahomes starts at some point his rookie year that they don’t win it all?

In today’s day and age where you have to take advantage of a QB under rookie contract you have every incentive to start him right away and see what you have  

thats fine if thats what douglas decides to do. i'd rather see a competiiton and pick the better player and then go from there

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14 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Kind of a mixed bag, with mixed results.  Long article, worth a read.  Here's the resuts 

 

Sat and succeeded:7
Palmer, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Smith, Cutler, Goff

Sat and failed:11
Grossman, Losman, Campbell, Russell, Quinn, Freeman, Tebow,Locker, Ponder, Manziel, Lynch

Started and succeeded: 16
Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Newton, Dalton, Luck, Griffin, Wilson, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Prescott, Trubisky

Started and failed: 12
Leftwich, Boller, Young, Leinart, Stafford, Sanchez, Bradford, Gabbert, Tannehill, Weeden, Manuel, Smith

So, what did we learn? Grooming a young franchise quarterback is an art, nota science.

For a team to overcome high QB bustodds, it needs to know everything about itself and everything about thequarterback in question. That's whatthe Browns, Jets, Bills and Cardinalsneed to doin 2018.

It’s getting harder to be patient and sit a quarterback given the demands on coaches and offensesto produce quick turnarounds. In more cases, the so-called rushing quarterbacks into action is the only option.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/list/nfl-rookie-quarterbacks-start-sit-darnold-rosen-mayfield-2018/1p20qhe6o5wwyzv8cgje8siyk

I did see that article.  My point was that not many drafted in the top 5 overall sat.  There might be higher expectations that the player should be more NFL ready.

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2 hours ago, Lith said:

I get what some folks are saying in this thread. Why give Sam away cheap, have two options, let competition bring out the best in these guys. All logical arguments. But are there really enough reps to go around for two developmental QBs learning a new offense the way camp is structured now.

I think that in today’s game, you need to commit to one young guy and devote all your resource to developing that guy. If we are going to commit to Wilson in a couple of weeks, then really commit. Devote all your resources to developing and support8mg Wilson. Bring in a vet backup who knows the system (Nick Mullens anyone?). If Wilson is not ready for week 1, let Mullens start until Wilson is ready to take over. If Wilson is our guy, go all in to bring him along.


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Darnold is already familiar with the WCO he knows all the language he will just have to adjust to whatever is different in LaFluer’s system (shouldn’t be to much Bates took it from Shannahan just like LaFluer did).  Darnold is literally Taylor made for a move the pocket play action WCO system I don’t get the draft Wilson crowd if he is an upgrade in skill level which I don’t think he is it’s not enough to justify the #2 overall pick to replace a 23 year old kid who already has experience in the system and same tool set.

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@football guy Question , nobody is talking about this . Could u see Sam being traded to a team with a veteran QB that's getting  huge money ? (Foles,teddy) Jets can possibly get more for Sam if they are willing to take on a bad contract . Plus they need a vet

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36 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I did see that article.  My point was that not many drafted in the top 5 overall sat.  There might be higher expectations that the player should be more NFL ready.

I don't really disagree with you.  I think Sam should be traded now.  More for Darnold's sake.  As you pointed out, the FANS , not the GM, will expect to see their rookie QB.

When Darnold throws his first pick, they will start screeming for Wilson.  Darnold does seem to be a nice kid, he has had it rough with the Jets.  IMO Sanchez, who is friends with Darnold, spoke for him.  "It's best for everyone if they part ways at this point".

Things have changed for rookie QB's over the last decade or so.  With the CBA rules, they just don't have much time to get ready for an NFL season.  They can't even talk to their position coaches except on certain days.  Crazy stuff IMO.  Even for top QB's the transition is BIG.   With the virus rules it is now 10X harder for them.

I'd love to see Wilson sit behind a vet for 4-8 games until he gets used to the speed of the NFL game.   Fields probably needs to sit also.  It is a different game at this level.  

 

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5 hours ago, Bronx said:

Trading for a 3rd rounder instead of a 3rd round comp pick.

Sam would need to sign a strong starter level contract to garner a good comp pick.

The Bears are projected a 2022 7th rounder for Trubisky ... The #2 overall pick in 2017 got the bears a potential 7th rounder be cause he signed a $2.5 Mil contract.

Where they were drafted does not determine the comp pick the contract they sign does.

If people keep living in some fantasy land where we get a 3rd round comp pick for Sam it just shows they are not paying attention to how this process works. 

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1 hour ago, nycdan said:

It's drama to the fans.  Players compete.  If Wilson or Fields can't emotionally handle having to compete year 1 for their job with an incumbent, then they aren't the right guys.  

And if fans can't handle it, that's their problem.  GMs and coaches do not care an iota about fan feelings.  

Honestly, if they go this way, and Darnold elevates his game and starts the season, there will be a lot of misplaced sore feelings on this board but it will be good for traffic so there's that.

I would love nothing more than to see Sam start the season 5-0.  Then lose his first game in week 6 and have multiple fans here screaming to give the rookie the ball.  Classic and timeless stuff.

So when did the players stop being human beings?  If you really think this is just drama for the fans they you may want to reconsider, especially in this age of twitter, 24/7 sports coverage.  Are you saying that having both these guys "compete" in the worlds biggest media market will not devolve into some type of circus?    I totally get having a vet to compete with Wilson or Fields and to somewhat mentor them, but I don't think bringing back Darnold makes any sense unless the most they can get for him is a 4th rounder.    In that case I blame JD for taking to long to move on from Sam.   At any rate it will be interesting to see what happens; I just feel it makes too much sense just to move on and start out fresh, even if that means having a Beathard or Mullins on the team to compete with Wilson/Fields.    Send Darnold to new team so he can restart his career.  

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1 hour ago, rldev said:

100% agree. It's a false narrative. What team has...

Agreed.

No NFL player has ever been reduced to tears, sucking his thumb in the corner,  because he has to earn his position. This is football, not socialism. Competition breeds strength.

Wilson has never played a down in the NFL, where level of competition is light years away from BYU. Let him learn from the side for a little while.

Best case from a team perspective, IMO, is seeing Sam thrive in this new system in 2021, then have the option of trading either Sam or Wilson next year for a haul. Or if Sam fails, you dump him for about the same return you're gonna get for him now anyway. And by letting Wison sit and watch for a least a part of 2021, you take a smart approach to his development, like KC with Mahomes.

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6 hours ago, Bronx said:

 

 
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:
 
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ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini and ESPN draft analyst Matt Miller discuss Zach Wilson's pro day and the team's QB decision. » Listen here
 
1. Darnold vs. Wilson? Former Jets quarterback Josh McCown couldn't help but laugh at how the narrative surrounding Sam Darnold has changed. Noting the fickle nature of the NFL, McCown told ESPN this week, "Three years ago, it was 'Suck for Sam.' Now it's, 'Sucked for Sam.'"
 
The past three seasonshave stunk for everybody connected with the Jets, and that's one of the reasons Darnold could be replaced by a rookie, presumably BYU's Zach Wilson. McCown, who became a mentor to Darnold in 2018 and has remained close with him, believes the Jets would be wise to keep him. He feels Darnold would thrive in a stable, quarterback-friendly environment, something he hasn't had.
 
"This is the situation you want to come into, what they set up now," McCown said. "You have a head coach and a GM that are aligned. You have picks, you have cap space and you've put yourself in a position to make a run at genuine, long-term success. Unfortunately, that's not the situation that Sam came into."
 
"Can it be done? Absolutely," McCown said. "In my mind, if you can't get the value now for him, that's absolutely how you go about it. I wouldn't even call it a competition. I would just say, 'We're going to go with Sam as the guy and bring Zach along.' If Sam knocks it out of the park, we'll re-evaluate where we are a year from now.
 
2. Mini-mock 1.o: Yep, it's that time.
 
With the No. 2 pick, I'm predicting Wilson to the Jets -- hardly a bombshell and the chalk pick at this point. At No. 23, it's Northwestern cornerback Greg Newsome II, who would fill a big need and has the ball skills to excel in their Cover 3 scheme. He'd be the fourth corner off the board in my mock. Some mocks have the Jets taking a running back, but that w
 
1. Darnold vs. Wilson? Former Jets quarterback Josh McCown couldn't help but laugh at how the narrative surrounding Sam Darnold has changed. Noting the fickle nature of the NFL, McCown told ESPN this week, "Three years ago, it was 'Suck for Sam.' Now it's, 'Sucked for Sam.'"
 
 
The past three seasons have stunk for everybody connected with the Jets, and that's one of the reasons Darnold could be replaced by a rookie, presumably BYU's Zach Wilson. McCown, who became a mentor to Darnold in 2018 and has remained close with him, believes the Jets would be wise to keep him. He feels Darnold would thrive in a stable, quarterback-friendly environment, something he hasn't had.
 
"This is the situation you want to come into, what they set up now," McCown said. "You have a head coach and a GM that are aligned. You have picks, you have cap space and you've put yourself in a position to make a run at genuine, long-term success. Unfortunately, that's not the situation that Sam came into."
 
Right now, Darnold is in limbo, the subject of trade rumors. McCown said he hasn't sensed any frustration from Darnold, but he knows it can't be easy.
 
Podcast | Flight Deck
ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini and ESPN draft analyst Matt Miller discuss Zach Wilson's pro day and the team's QB decision. » Listen here
 
"To be on the cusp of [an organizational reboot] and have them go, 'Yeah, that's not going to be for you, that's going to be for somebody else' -- no doubt, it's hard," McCown said. "But I have not felt any negativity from him at all. He's always positive and always has a great mindset. That speaks to his character and what he's about."
 
Darnold's trade market appears to be drying up, fueling speculation the Jets could keep Darnold and pair him with a rookie. That could be awkward, but McCown sees the upside in that scenario.
 
Right now, Darnold is in limbo, the subject of trade rumors. McCown said he hasn't sensed any frustration from Darnold, but he knows it can't be easy.
 
"Can it be done? Absolutely," McCown said. "In my mind, if you can't get the value now for him, that's absolutely how you go about it. I wouldn't even call it a competition. I would just say, 'We're going to go with Sam as the guy and bring Zach along.' If Sam knocks it out of the park, we'll re-evaluate where we are a year from now.
 
"Sam would embrace it and be helpful, but he'd also go out and work hard and try to make the most of the opportunity to play this year -- and put it back on them and make them have to make a tough decision at the end of the year. I think, if that happens, really and truly, everybody wins."
 
2. Mini-mock 1.o: Yep, it's that time.
 
With the No. 2 pick, I'm predicting Wilson to the Jets -- hardly a bombshell and the chalk pick at this point. At No. 23, it's Northwestern cornerback Greg Newsome II, who would fill a big need and has the ball skills to excel in their Cover 3 scheme. He'd be the fourth corner off the board in my mock. Some mocks have the Jets taking a running back, but that would be a surprise this early.
 
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Tannenbaum says Zach Wilson has higher ceiling than Sam DarnoldMike Tannenbaum explains why Zach Wilson is the better choice at quarterback for the Jets over Sam Darnold.
3. Zach attack: One of the reasons the Jets like Wilson is because he's an ideal scheme fit. They're installing the Shanahan version of the West Coast offense, which stresses play-action and a moving pocket. A quarterback must be able to throw on the run, and Wilson does that very well.
 
On designed rollouts in 2020, Wilson completed 69.4% (25-of-36) of pass attempts for 320 yards, five touchdowns with zero interceptions and zero sacks, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Keep in mind, we're talking about high-percentage passes for the most part, but this provides context: His 96.4 QBR on designed rollouts was the third-highest mark among quarterbacks with 25 such dropbacks over the past three seasons.
 
Wilson also crushed it as a play-action passer, completing 74% (96-of-129) with 19 touchdowns with zero interceptions.
 
Based strictly on scheme, Wilson is the right guy for the Jets. But we know there's more to it than that.
 
4. Draft trivia: In franchise history, which Jets draft pick (non-kicker) has the most career games played? Answer below.
 
5. Earn it! You may have noticed a trend among the Jets' free-agent signings: Eight of the 12 additions have relatively large incentive packages included in their deals. For instance: Defensive end Carl Lawson, who has a three-year contract, can pocket an additional $800,000 per year based on sack incentives
 

There has been a shift in organizational philosophy over the past couple of years.

Salary-cap/contract expert Jason Fitzgerald of OvertheCap.com did some research and discovered the Jets have made 32 signings between 2019 and 2021 with incentives and/or escalators -- a significant increase from previous years. There were eight in 2017-18, mostly modest amounts. He traces the change to senior director of football administration Dave Socie, who arrived in 2018 after several years in the league office.

"This year, in particular, [the incentives] are big, relative to the size of the deals," said Fitzgerald, mentioning running back Tevin Coleman, defensive tackle Sheldon Rankins, defensive end Vinny Curry and safety Lamarcus Joyner. Fitzgerald said the incentive packages are "clearly being used to entice the veteran player."

Coleman, Curry and Joyner signed one-year deals. Rankins has a two-year contract with the chance to earn an additional $4 million in performance incentives and $2 million in performance escalators.

In case you're wondering, the incentives don't count on the cap unless they're earned. Smart.

6. See ya! The Jets, who began with 19 unrestricted free agents, have retained one so far -- safety Marcus Maye, who signed his franchise-tag tender ($10.6 million). They haven't re-signed any others, which says everything you need to know about how coach Robert Saleh feels about what he inherited. They did re-sign wide receiver Vyncint Smith and running back Josh Adams, but they were in the restricted category and received modest deals less than the RFA tender.

7. Philly jinx: As everybody knows, the Jets' "17th opponent" in the new 17-game schedule is the Philadelphia Eagles. Figures, right? The Eagles are the only team the Jets have never beaten -- never ever. They're 0-11, including five straight losses in which they failed to score 20 points.

8. Not-so-sweet 16: As a franchise, the Jets probably won't miss the 16-game season. I mean, it's not like they produced a bunch of glittering seasons and statistical milestones during the 43-year run of 16-game seasons. In fact, the Jets and Chicago Bears were the only teams that didn't have a 4,000-yard passer in a season. Joe Namath passed for 4,007 in 1967, when the season was 14 games. Since then, 197 quarterbacks have eclipsed 4,000 in a season.

 

In a not-so-fond farewell to the 16-game season, let's take a moment to recognize the Jets' statistical bests during that era:

 

Most wins: 12-4 (1998).

 

Most passing yards: 3,905, Ryan Fitzpatrick (2015).

 

Most rushing yards: 1,697, Curtis Martin (2004). Martin was responsible for seven of the team's 17 1,000-yard rushing seasons.

 

Most receiving yards: 1,502, Brandon Marshall (2015). The team had 14 1,000-yard receiving seasons, including five by Don Maynard, who accomplished all five in 14-game seasons.

 

Most touchdowns: 15, Thomas Jones (2008).

 

9. Be like Nick: Oklahoma center Creed Humphrey is a self-described film junkie. He likes to study top centers, and one of his favorites is former Jets Pro Bowler Nick Mangold. He also admires Travis Frederick and Maurkice Pouncey, formerly of the Dallas Cowboys and Pittsburgh Steelers, respectively.

 

"Those are the three I watch the most," Humphrey said at his pro day. "All three of them are tough, physical players, good leaders for their team, so they are the kinds of guys I'm drawn to the most."

 

10. Trivia answer: Linebacker James Farrior, 230 games. He was the No. 8 overall pick in 1997, coach Bill Parcells' first draft. He played five seasons with the Jets, 10 with the Steelers.

Okay let him "embrace" the competition on some other team. 

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1 hour ago, rldev said:

100% agree. It's a false narrative. What team has it ever hurt? 

because nobody ever does it. 

Herbert after 1 game, Mayfield 2 gms, Allen and Watson started later on in season 1. Eli after 9 gms...the list goes on and on. and Warner played better than Eli and stil got released at the end of the season

everybody knew it was there team. they would start sometime during the season. that wont be the case if sam wins a competition. 

if you bring in Mullins, even if he has some good games nobody here will say lets keep him as the starter. but with sam there will be.

you see how we are fighting back and forth. imagine this for 8 months. think the media will just sit back ?

Team Sam : he looks better than with Gase. we need to keep him a 5th year. even Bart Scott says we should..

Team Wilson: of course he looks better. there's nowhere else to go but up when your the worst QB in 3 years. time to see what Wilson has.

thank god JD is smarter than this. no way he puts us thru this mess.

 

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2 hours ago, JetBlue said:

If this were any other team I might be inclined to agree with you but seeing how this is the Jets and we have new coaching staff, I just feel it could set the whole process back.  If they decide to keep Sam I hope I'm wrong but I think this could a disaster.   If Sam is still on this team in September, I will be very disappointed.  You already have the media factions taking sides, next thing we have division in the locker room with all the vets who felt Sam didn't get a fair shake.  You really want a rookie quarterback that you have just taken at #2 walking into that situation?   We can always bring in  vet to compete with him and if he is not ready, then fine he can sit on the bench.  That is not the same as competing against previous "golden boy" that the team gave up 3 2nd round picks for just a few years earlier. 

This coaching staff comes from SF, where they were able to develop Garoppolo and a bunch of jags, cant see why Sam and Wilson cant coexist.  I cant see for the life of me why it has to be a disaster.  I think the whole only one QB at a time issue isnt being over blown.  Like I said, Eli and Warner weren't problematic, Brees and Rivers, no problem for the short term.  

Where is the media taking sides?  Pretty much all the well knows are torn between drafting Wilson or staying the course with Sam, which isnt to say that they will "take sides" if Wilson was drafted and Sam outplayed him and earned the starting nod.  

I'm kind of tired of the poor rookie QB doesnt need the stress of having to compete for the starting nod while knowing the job will eventually be handed to him.  Did Tua deserve to be handed the starting job?  Hell no.  Fitz was screwed and when asked voiced it, did it tear the fish apart?  No.  

This is a case of fans wanting to move on and watch their shiny new toy from game one while CS and the FO want what's best for the kid long term with the largest return for Sam.

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1 hour ago, doitny said:

thats a good example. 

of course he was going to sit behind Kurt Warner because ......hes Kurt Warner. not Sam Darnold.

and i doubt there was one person in there fan base that wanted 33 yr old Warner to be there QB of the future. thats not the case here as many of you want sam to be our future.

lets look at that 2004 Giants season

Warner wasnt killing it, but he was 5-4 and did have them in the playoff hunt. they ended up just 2 games out of a WC. and i do remember there was some talk to just ride with Kurt to see if they can make the playoffs. but they went with there prized QB pick that everyone was dyeing to see. and Eli went 1-6.

now imagine that happends here? 

sam doesnt kill it. warner had only 6 TDs and 4 INTs. but if sam had us at 5-4 you guys will want to keep him. say he need more weapons and time. and the rest of us will want to see Wilson. 

what a big sh*t storm that will be. 

and what do you really think you can get for sam in the middle of the season.? he would have to learn a new system, and have only 2 months left. 

now is the best time for a trade. you might not like what there offering but it wont get better the closer he gets to Free Agency. you get him for camp, pre-season, etc, etc.... plenty of time to learn the playbook...

The Giants also weren't trying to maximize Warners trade value.  If Sam goes 5-4 or better, puts up better passing numbers than he has up to now, not a great leap, his value will increase.  Especially if a team loses a QB to injury mid season

I dont see the extreme downside some do

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2 hours ago, MysticalJet2 said:

You don’t use the #2 pick on a QB call the competition fair.  #2 QB will be the starter either this year or next.. no competition, just delayed inevitability.

Every job on an NFL field should be earned.

If #2 is as good as people think, #2 will crush Sam and be starting sooner, not later.

Again, it's a debate between competition and earning an job vs. being anointed and not earning anything.

We tried it your way the last two times.  I'd like to try something different this time.

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3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

This coaching staff comes from SF, where they were able to develop Garoppolo

I think Garoppolo was developed in NE sitting behind Tom Brady and being coached by Bill Belechick and Josh McDaniels. 

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

The Giants also weren't trying to maximize Warners trade value.  If Sam goes 5-4 or better, puts up better passing numbers than he has up to now, not a great leap, his value will increase.  Especially if a team loses a QB to injury mid season

I dont see the extreme downside some do

So the 2021 NY Jets season primary goal is to audition Sam Darnold and hope for the best. 

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1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

I think Garoppolo was developed in NE sitting behind Tom Brady and being coached by Bill Belechick and Josh McDaniels. 

I said Garoppolo and jags.  

I dont know how much was learned in the short term of 3 years and 2 starts in NE.  

Not the point

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2 hours ago, rldev said:

100% agree. It's a false narrative. What team has it ever hurt? 

None, whereas rushing a non-ready, didn't-earn-it-yet kid into the #1 spot has, IMO, ruined a number of prospects who just weren't ready.

Sitting Rookies for a year used to be much more normal.  We did it with Pennington (our best QB since Namath) and the Packers did it with Rodgers.

It's supposed to be about winning games, and who gives the team the best chance, that day, to do that.

If the QB we select at #2 is all that, then by all means, start him, Sam's the backup, no one is going to tear apart the locker room, they're not whiny fans after all.  They all want to win, most of all.

And if #2 needs time to develop and learn a little first, by god don't shove him in anyway because of impatient fans.  Let Sam take the hits and let the kids ass sit and learn till he IS ready to outcompete the other guy.

I continue to be amazed how many fans hate the idea of the most vital guy on the field having to actually earn his job and beat someone out. 

IMO it speaks of a complete lack of faith that their guy can actually do that right off, and so they're against it.  The "saplit locker room" things is pure fantasy cover for their real fears.

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Just now, Jet Nut said:

I dont know how much was learned in the short term of 3 years

If he didn't learn anything in 3 years in NE then he obviously doesn't have what it takes to be a successful NFL QB. 

3 years in NE behind TB12 would be the best scenario for any QB looking to learn. 

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Oh yeah!  Bring it on!

A training camp battle.  The Fiery Ginger vs. the Mormon Missile!

Should be a PPV event!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Oh yeah!  Bring it on!

A training camp battle.  The Fiery Ginger vs. the Mormon Missile!

Should be a PPV event!

Hopefully fans can have access to Florham Park for this. 

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4 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Hopefully fans can have access to Florham Park for this. 

And they have to have a designated home side and away side of the field for fans to sit.  You sit in one set of bleachers if you're rooting for Darnold.  You sit in the other for Wilson.

Fans can fight in the parking lot.  It'll be the like the old Gate D spiral days at the Meadowlands.  People can even break out their Penningtologists and ACM shirts from 2005.

Draft Kings will be there to take bets on who completes more passes, how many times Darnold throws the ball away, how many times Wilson clicks his heels, etc.

It'll be great!

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Just now, jetstream23 said:

And they have to have a designated home side and away side of the field for fans to sit.  You sit in one set of bleachers if you're rooting for Darnold.  You sit in the other for Wilson.

Fans can fight in the parking lot.  It'll be the like the old Gate D spiral days at the Meadowlands.  People can even break out their Penningtologists and ACM shirts from 2005.

Draft Kings will be there to take bets on who completes more passes, how many time Darnold throws the ball away, how many times Wilson clicks his heels, etc.

It'll be great!

Im in I hope they sell beer. 

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2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Im in I hope they sell beer. 

We're all gonna need it to get thru these next 4 weeks, and then possibly a LOT more if the Jets roll into the summer with a two-headed QB monster.

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1 hour ago, Lurker89 said:

Sam would need to sign a strong starter level contract to garner a good comp pick.

The Bears are projected a 2022 7th rounder for Trubisky ... The #2 overall pick in 2017 got the bears a potential 7th rounder be cause he signed a $2.5 Mil contract.

Where they were drafted does not determine the comp pick the contract they sign does.

If people keep living in some fantasy land where we get a 3rd round comp pick for Sam it just shows they are not paying attention to how this process works. 

Yep

Not to mention the fact that the Jets will have tons of cap space again next year because of the 1 year contracts, and also probably move on from Mosley.

In order to get any comp picks they have to lose more players then they sign I believe.  

More then likely in a FA situation they get 0 for Sam.

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21 hours ago, johnnysd said:

I was including 66 as well. so it valued Sam as a mid second rounder. I would still do Sam, 66, 23 and 2nd rounder next year for 8

Question to everyone - What about a trade with Washington at #19?  Would trading Sam Darnold and the #23 to move up to #19 be something you'd do or would the value seem too low?  In my opinion, I wouldn't really care about the value, it would simply come down to who was on the board at #19.  If there's a guy available at #19 the Jets want (think a Vera-Tucker, etc.) then maybe that's worth it assuming the Redskins are interested.

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44 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

If he didn't learn anything in 3 years in NE then he obviously doesn't have what it takes to be a successful NFL QB. 

3 years in NE behind TB12 would be the best scenario for any QB looking to learn. 

Says who?  None of us have any idea how Brady took to his replacement, how he treated him, how much knowledge he decided to give to his understudy.  

Who cares what he had or didnt have to becoming an NFL QB.  Again, I was referring to the CS ability to work with multiple QBs.  Youre going off about NE and where he learned most.

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2 hours ago, Cbucco19 said:

@football guy Question , nobody is talking about this . Could u see Sam being traded to a team with a veteran QB that's getting  huge money ? (Foles,teddy) Jets can possibly get more for Sam if they are willing to take on a bad contract . Plus they need a vet

Yes but to compete against or to groom as an incumbent, not to take on a contract 

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3 hours ago, flgreen said:

Kind of a mixed bag, with mixed results.  Long article, worth a read.  Here's the resuts 

 

Sat and succeeded:7
Palmer, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Smith, Cutler, Goff

Sat and failed:11
Grossman, Losman, Campbell, Russell, Quinn, Freeman, Tebow,Locker, Ponder, Manziel, Lynch

Started and succeeded: 16
Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Newton, Dalton, Luck, Griffin, Wilson, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Prescott, Trubisky

Started and failed: 12
Leftwich, Boller, Young, Leinart, Stafford, Sanchez, Bradford, Gabbert, Tannehill, Weeden, Manuel, Smith

So, what did we learn? Grooming a young franchise quarterback is an art, nota science.

For a team to overcome high QB bustodds, it needs to know everything about itself and everything about thequarterback in question. That's whatthe Browns, Jets, Bills and Cardinalsneed to doin 2018.

It’s getting harder to be patient and sit a quarterback given the demands on coaches and offensesto produce quick turnarounds. In more cases, the so-called rushing quarterbacks into action is the only option.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/list/nfl-rookie-quarterbacks-start-sit-darnold-rosen-mayfield-2018/1p20qhe6o5wwyzv8cgje8siyk

And as Pat Kirwan always says, the owner will ask how long before said rookie QB sees the field..and now with social media, fantasy football, and the media needing clicks/stories, It becomes high unlikely a QB taken high is allowed to sit for a year or two to develop. 

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9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Yes but to compete against or to groom as an incumbent, not to take on a contract 

Not sure the Jets can now take on a bad contract unless they cut or restructure a couple of contracts. They have approx $20m in cap space. Enough to sign draft picks and season operating $$ ie practice squad, in season signings due to injuries etc..

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Never forget that in 2018, after drafting Sam Darnold the Jets could have come back in Round 3 for Orlando Brown who went to Baltimore.  The Jets took DT Nathan Shepherd.... and then another DT the following year at #3 overall.  That's not how you support your investment in a young QB.

We're now at the point where it feels like for at least a couple of years in a row the Jets will finally be using at least one pick on the OLine in the first two days.  After Becton at #11 we're like to use the #23 or #34 on OLine this year.  JD is trying to make up for complete and utter negligence by the front office when it comes to the OLine and WR group.  It's amazing how long it takes for some lessons to be learned.  Even Sanchez stepped into a supportive situation and the Jets got success out of him by using not one, but two 1st round picks on OLine before he arrived.  Then the surround him with guys like Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes and LaDainian Tomlinson.

How the Jets royals ****ed this up is still mind boggling.  It's like they tried to buy a Ferrari in 2018 and then decided to go cheap on maintaining it and never do the oil changes.

We're now staring at a situation where we might roster two QBs taken in the Top 3 of the NFL Draft within 4 years of each other simply because we need to find the guy who can succeed most while running for his life.

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