Lurker89 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, slimjasi said: This should be stickied somewhere on this board. I read 5-10 posts a day proliferating the “3rd round comp pick” nonsense. I tried to make a PSA and blare it through a meagaphone .... didn't matter... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I honestly have no idea what Wilson will be. What I do know, is that through 3 years of play, Sam has been bad. I agree with that post. I don't know if Wilson will be any good playing against NFL talent after one season playing against D-III level teams and we don't know if his surgically repaired shoulders are going to hold up. Yes, Sam has been bad his first three years but he has shown flashes. Sam supporters believe that no one could have looked good with the situation he was put in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: So what's your question then? I guess the question is are you more pro Darnold or anti picking QB at #2/Wison If you had say four choices: Take Zach Wilson Trade down to 4 and take Lance/Fields or Jones Trade down to 8 and keep Sam Trade down to 8 take a positional player and then target a QB like Mond Which would you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, T0mShane said: These arguments were made pre-Buzbee. I’m not on the “Buzbee”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Robby Anderson had the best years of his career with Josh McCown and Teddy Bridgewater throwing to him. The only numbers that really stand out to me are the number of receptions he had with Carolina. Note how the ypc average dropped though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, genot said: It's not enough of a sample size to prove a point. The only thing it could say though is that Darnold was a little gun shy. Flacco is a 13 yr vet with nothing to lose and he had a little more success with Perriman. I don't think Sam trusted him. Certainly not like he trusted Robby. It is because it is consistent with Sam Darnold’s performances against anything except the worst teams in the league. There isn’t a 4 game stretch this season where Darnold matches Flacco’s production in his starts. Our receivers’ best games were with Flacco under center. It stands to reason that our team would have been better statistically if Flacco had played all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, kdels62 said: It is because it is consistent with Sam Darnold’s performances against anything except the worst teams in the league. There isn’t a 4 game stretch this season where Darnold matches Flacco’s production in his starts. Our receivers’ best games were with Flacco under center. It stands to reason that our team would have been better statistically if Flacco had played all season. Flacco would have gotten killed the first half of the season. If Darnold wasn't so mobile. He would have been sacked 50 times the first part of the year. You watched those games. It was a jailbreak. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kdels62 Posted April 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 minute ago, genot said: Flacco would have gotten killed the first half of the season. If Darnold wasn't so mobile. He would have been sacked 50 times the first part of the year. You watched those games. It was a jailbreak. Every OL that plays in front of Sam Darnold is worse because of Sam Darnold. Flacco played more snaps without Becton than Sam did and somehow had a lower sack rate than Darnold. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Every OL that plays in front of Sam Darnold is worse because of Sam Darnold. Flacco played more snaps without Becton than Sam did and somehow had a lower sack rate than Darnold. Tackle wasn't the problem. It was Alex Lewis. A jag playing with two bum shoulders. Mcgovern was bad the first part of the year. He was learning a new offense and figuring out the correct protections to call. And then Van Roten. Who was Rotten a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Darnold’s a goner, we all know it. This is Just click bait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mogglez Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said: Literally ran to this thread to post this hahahah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 I suggest Bart ****s himself sideways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, genot said: Jet's have been really bad the last two years with Gase. Bad offense. No help from the defense. Especially forcing turnovers. Bad field position. It's been an all around nightmare. We've had teams in the past that lost a lot of games. There was something always to hang your hat on. Some stud on offense or defense to watch play on Sundays. He was one of the worst in the league pre-Gase, and all of his issues were on display in college too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Big_Slick said: Can you give an example of a QB that excelled with the worst supporting roster in literally the history of the NFL and the worst HC and six years of the worst team management by Idzak and Macc? The past two years were not the worst roster in NFL history, nor even close. Your premise is invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 3 hours ago, NYJ1 said: I just love the idea of being able to fill so many holes on the roster in one draft. The silver lining here is the Jets have so many holes on there roster that you'd be filling a need with almost every pick in this draft. Depending on where a team is trading up from, you’d only be getting 1- 2nd round this year with a #1 next and maybe the following. If it’s picks you’re interested in JD could move back from #23 and gain a #1 next year( again depending where the team is moving up from) and additional picks. If JD is competent with his picks we have more than enough ammo to surround Wilson/Fields with talent…. Plus the pick for Darnold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, NYJ1 said: Well, Steve Young comes to mind? Rich Gannon perhaps? Alex Smith? Although I'm not sure how long he languished with the label of bust QB before he resurrected his career? Those are 3 that I think at least somewhat answer your question? Show your work. The question wasn’t who are QBs that improved after disappointing starts. The question was, who was the worst QB in the NFL for three years, and then good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post munchmemory Posted April 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 Stand up. Walk to a mirror. Then say the words: "I believe in Sam Darnold. He will overcome the massive shortcomings necessary to be a successful QB in the NFL. I know all he needs is more weapons to become an upper echelon QB who will light up the league with his brilliance if just given a chance in this, his fourth year". If you don't start crying or bust out laughing, then call a licensed, board certified, psychiatrist. 'Cause you're as delusional as a mofo. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: I guess the question is are you more pro Darnold or anti picking QB at #2/Wison If you had say four choices: Take Zach Wilson Trade down to 4 and take Lance/Fields or Jones Trade down to 8 and keep Sam Trade down to 8 take a positional player and then target a QB like Mond Which would you choose? Would depend on the value received for the trade back in each scenario. What do I get from Atlanta or Carolina and who’s left on the board at 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, TeddEY said: The past two years were not the worst roster in NFL history, nor even close. Your premise is invalid. In 5 games: Mike Glennon- 7 TDs In 12 games: Sam Darnold- 9 TDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 3 hours ago, munchmemory said: Would be another in myriad quintessential SOJ moves. Yup, let's keep Darnold and throw away ANOTHER season, pass on a true franchise QB, and get our GM and new HC fired. Classic. Wilson is a franchise QB???? I’m with you but it’s not like we are passing on Manning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, genot said: Tackle wasn't the problem. It was Alex Lewis. A jag playing with two bum shoulders. Mcgovern was bad the first part of the year. He was learning a new offense and figuring out the correct protections to call. And then Van Roten. Who was Rotten a lot. here is a ex NFL player who has watched the film on Sam. Really exposes all you Darnold truthers excuses. And it only took 2 mins ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, TeddEY said: He was one of the worst in the league pre-Gase, and all of his issues were on display in college too. He was a 20 yr old rookie. He had a great year as a sophomore at USC. He stumbled his junior year. It was almost a universal opinion, that his flaws we're fixable. Too bad he was drafted bu the Jet's. Anderson goes to Carolina, and explodes. Leo goes to the Giants and explodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Bart is a wise man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Peace Frog said: I love Bart, he’s pretty entertaining on ESPN Radio but sometimes he sounds really dumb. His takes on Darnold are pretty much anti-Wilson, he’s all over the place. Pretty much every criticism at the Jet organization leveled here, no talent, 3 different systems, 2 head coaches, and AWFUL HC in Gase, no Oline, he’s only 23 how can you jump ship so early, but I think he’s basically against Wilson. And I love Darnold but I’m ready to move to Wilson. You're not being fair. He is not against Wilson and neither am I. But both of us are against Wilson - or any of the other also ran QBs - with the SECOND PICK in the draft. There is a legitimate #2 pick on the board in Sewell who was destined for a top 5 pick since high school. Why look a gift horse in the mouth? I suspect we can also get a fair offer for the #2 pick. I would do either one before I took Wilson. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 hours ago, PS17 said: anyone who’s watched the team for more than a couple quarters has seen that Darnold doesn’t see open receivers, consistently makes awful decisions leading to turnovers, has dubious mechanics, and gets hurt every year. He hasn’t improved on any of his flaws dating back to USC. It’s time to start over. Even if you are 100% correct, it does not justify overdrafting a college prospect. Take the top player on the board - Sewell. If there is a fair offer then take it. If one of the other QBs falls to the Jets at 23, then by all means - draft one. But we have to be bargain hunters. Off the rack suit, not Gucci. We are the second worst team in the NFL. We have holes everywhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, clayton163v said: You're not being fair. There is a legitimate #2 pick on the board in Sewell who was destined for a top 5 pick since high school. So you’ve never heard Bart on ESPN Radio. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 hours ago, NYJ1 said: This is exactly what I've been saying today and getting destroyed over. There really aren't many that have taken this stance. I'm 100% on board with Greeny, Bart, and Jeff Saturday. And honestly, I think the idea of trading down and collecting a kings ransom is too enticing for me (and hopefully JD) to pass up. JD DOES NOT have to pick a QB now. He can take a QB next year or the year following. I just love the idea of being able to fill so many holes on the roster in one draft. The silver lining here is the Jets have so many holes on there roster that you'd be filling a need with almost every pick in this draft. Wow. Not a single down vote. Good luck trying to talk the board down the tree. But I am with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Looks like a pitiful loser when he throws an interception. Puts his head down and walks to the bench just to get up and throw another one 5 minutes later.That’s the hardest part of scouting these players. A lot of them have never really dealt with adversity on a football field and you will never know how they respond until it’s too late. 1 of the biggest selling points about Darnold was his alleged tenacity because he never lost his composure playing as a freshman (especially the Rose Bowl), but the expectations of playing in NY and struggling crushed him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, TeddEY said: The past two years were not the worst roster in NFL history, nor even close. Your premise is invalid. Did i say that they the worst in history. It was a bad roster. Very bad in spots. You disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, clayton163v said: Even if you are 100% correct, it does not justify overdrafting a college prospect. Take the top player on the board - Sewell. If there is a fair offer then take it. If one of the other QBs falls to the Jets at 23, then by all means - draft one. But we have to be bargain hunters. Off the rack suit, not Gucci. We are the second worst team in the NFL. We have holes everywhere. Sewell is not the top player on any board, fake or real. He’s not Chase or Pitts or Waddle or Smith. He’s not even Slater. Imagine using the 2nd pick in the whole draft on the second best tackle. Hahahahahahaaaaaaaa. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 hours ago, NYJ1 said: That's another MYTH I'd like to address..... Joe Douglas is NOT going to lose his job if he doesn't take Zach Wilson in this draft. That's ludicrous. If Joe Douglas continues to draft well he's not going anywhere. Joe Douglas can take a QB whenever and he'll be forever linked to that QB. The Jets ownership and fanbase has been searching high and low to find a decent GM. It's seems like right now we may have found one? So the idea that JD doesn't draft player X makes him Mike Macagnan is simply not true. This is so very true. If Douglas takes Sewell and he turns out to be a solid rookie starter then Douglas is not going to lose his job. If he trades Sam for beans, drafts Wilson who proceeds to get hurt or fails to impress THEN he is going to get fired. You judge a GM by who he drafts and how they work out. Not by what might have been. It feels weird even writing it because it is so obviously true. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pac Posted April 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 If the Backstreet Boy was subjected to the same situation Darnold has been for 3 years he'd likely be out of the league. Sticking with Darnold is the play. If/when that trade down is announced I'm going to blast hip hop and dance like it's 1998. Just say no to Wilson. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, maury77 said: That’s the hardest part of scouting these players. A lot of them have never really dealt with adversity on a football field and you will never know how they respond until it’s too late. 1 of the biggest selling points about Darnold was his alleged tenacity because he never lost his composure playing as a freshman (especially the Rose Bowl), but the expectations of playing in NY and struggling crushed him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Heard this yesterday.. Point you mention around the 3:15 mark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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