JetNation 2021 Mock Draft DISCUSSION

[Wonderboy]

32 minutes ago, section314 said:

He's a good player no doubt, but you made sure that you now have an anchor for the right side of the OL for 10 years, to go with Becton. on the left side for 10 years. I'd take what you did every time.

Spencer Brown 3rd round.

Offensive line coaches from the Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Arizona Cardinals were on hand for what some described as one of the best offensive line workouts they’ve witnessed in half a dozen years.

Brown measured in at 6’8 1/2″ and 311 pounds. His arms reached 34 ¾ inches and he completed 33 reps on the bench, although scouts took four away for poor technique, officially crediting him with 29 reps.

His 40 times clocked between 4.88 to 4.90 seconds, with his three-cone coming in sharp at 6.96 seconds. His short shuttle was 4.34 seconds. Brown’s other marks include 31.5 inches in the vertical jump and 9’9″ in the broad jump.

Brown translated that athleticism into position drills and looked terrific. Besides the teams who sent offensive line coaches, the Baltimore Ravens are very high on Spencer Brown. This bears watching considering the ongoing drama with the team’s existing right tackle, Orlando Brown.

 

[32EBoozer]

Lacking a trade back Saints need cheap help in secondary. Jenkins long in tooth and Lattimore could be traded on draft night. 

[Wonderboy]

9 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I get it every time on TDN

I tried like 5 times on profootball network.com and they sent a message after the 5th time ....GTFO  ?

[kdels62]

7 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Spencer Brown 3rd round.

Offensive line coaches from the Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Arizona Cardinals were on hand for what some described as one of the best offensive line workouts they’ve witnessed in half a dozen years.

Brown measured in at 6’8 1/2″ and 311 pounds. His arms reached 34 ¾ inches and he completed 33 reps on the bench, although scouts took four away for poor technique, officially crediting him with 29 reps.

His 40 times clocked between 4.88 to 4.90 seconds, with his three-cone coming in sharp at 6.96 seconds. His short shuttle was 4.34 seconds. Brown’s other marks include 31.5 inches in the vertical jump and 9’9″ in the broad jump.

Brown translated that athleticism into position drills and looked terrific. Besides the teams who sent offensive line coaches, the Baltimore Ravens are very high on Spencer Brown. This bears watching considering the ongoing drama with the team’s existing right tackle, Orlando Brown.

 

Spencer Brown is a tackle only prospect. Long and without great lateral movement. Brown needs to learn how to do a vertical set. Love Brown but he’s not Slater and he can’t play guard.

[kdels62]

That’s a great pick.

[Beerfish]

26 minutes ago, heymangold said:

Was hoping Bateman or at least toney would have been there at 27 for the Ravens.  Decided ultimately to go edge. Good thing this isn’t real cause i wasn’t scared off by the injury history haha

I was close to try and trade up for Phillips, a bit of risk but super high reward.

[Lith]

14 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

That’s a great pick.

If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were talking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

[Wonderboy]

14 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Spencer Brown is a tackle only prospect. Long and without great lateral movement. Brown needs to learn how to do a vertical set. Love Brown but he’s not Slater and he can’t play guard.

Right he’s a Tackle but man he sounds like a great developmental project that could blossom 

[section314]

1 minute ago, Lith said:

If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were tlaking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

I was thinking maybe going offensive side of ball for the Pack.

[Wonderboy]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were talking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

Would be thrilled to get Newsome @ 34 but more than likely he’s sayonara by then. I really hope JD gets a CB early. Our pass D is atrocious. 

[kdels62]

Just now, Lith said:

If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were tlaking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

Yep. Newsome and Phillips were the two players that gave me pause about trading up. Newsome might be the best CB in the class.

[Dcat]

44 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I’d have parted with 86 and a second next year to avoid giving up 34 if I had access to next years picks.

yeah.... without any future picks capital (or active players), trades are kept reasonable and more realistic.  For whatever good the chart is in the real NFL, it sure helps move things along here.  Thanks to Jimmy Johnson.

[kdels62]

7 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Right he’s a Tackle but man he sounds like a great developmental project that could blossom 

Yeah I’m happy I got a day 1 starter at RG that might end up at being a 10 year starter at RT.  Plus round 3 and 4 have quite a few nice developmental guys. 

[Lith]

4 minutes ago, section314 said:

I was thinking maybe going offensive side of ball for the Pack.

Probably would have gone OL if Newsome was not there. 

After watching Kevin King get abused in the playoffs, I thought another corner opposite Jaire Alexander was top priority for the Packers.  Plenty more picks to add some offense, but CB2 was my top target coming into this.

[New York Mick]

I couldn’t work a trade so I just pick my player that I was targeting later. 

[GREENBEAN]

On 4/5/2021 at 3:26 PM, Paradis said:

So you’re telling me @GREENBEAN is the reason we don’t have the Field of dreams?

 

Hey man.  i was gonna take Kyle Trask!  ??‍♂️

[GREENBEAN]

On 4/5/2021 at 10:59 AM, kdels62 said:

Well I couldn’t get in contact with Greenbean for a pick swap.

The good news is I wouldn't have done it.   SO all is well. 

[Beerfish]

52 minutes ago, Lith said:

Probably would have gone OL if Newsome was not there. 

After watching Kevin King get abused in the playoffs, I thought another corner opposite Jaire Alexander was top priority for the Packers.  Plenty more picks to add some offense, but CB2 was my top target coming into this.

Aaron rogers will be pouting and making cryptic comments cause you did not get him any more weaponzzzzz in the 1st round

[IndianaJet]

Day three kicks off with the SuperBowl champs adding to the offense.  They can’t count on the Chiefs being without their two starting tackles in the SuperBowl next year so they’re planning on just outscoring them to go back to back. 

[section314]

6 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

Day three kicks off with the SuperBowl champs adding to the offense.  They can’t count on the Chiefs being without their two starting tackles in the SuperBowl next year so they’re planning on just outscoring them to go back to back. 

Great pick and value. Was hoping he'd last 2 more picks to me @#34. RB is on  the list for Denver, but not in this range. Etienne would have been an exception.

[Lith]

9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Aaron rogers will be pouting and making cryptic comments cause you did not get him any more weaponzzzzz in the 1st round

F**k Rodgers.  Who needs weapons.  He just needs to shut up and get close enough for us to kick field goals.

[Lith]

10 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

Hey man.  i was gonna take Kyle Trask!  ??‍♂️

You still can.

[GREENBEAN]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

You still can.

indeed I can. lol 

[GREENBEAN]

2 years in a row a RB wraps up the first rd.   not too shabbadabbadingdong man! 

[NYJetsVets91]

Sniped.. ? Oh well, still happy with Freiermuth.

[Lith]

5 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

2 years in a row a RB wraps up the first rd.   not too shabbadabbadingdong man! 

RB late first to a contender makes a lot of sense to me. 

They are generally more productive early in their careers before they get beat up.  You get a guy who can make an immediate contribution to a good team on a 4 year rookie contract with a 5th year option.  Then you let him walk in FA for a comp pick while a team (like the Jets) overpays to watch his decline on a 2nd contract.

[Sarge4Tide]

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1	JAX	Jacksonville	Jaguars	NY Jets Vets 91	Trevor Lawrence	Clemson	A
2	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Zach Wilson	BYU	A
3	SF	San Francisco	49ers	Greenbean	Justin Fields	Ohio St.	A-
4	ATL	Atlanta	Falcons	JetLife33	Trey Lance	North Dak St.	B
5	CIN	Cincinnati	Bengals	Wonderboy	Penei Sewell	Oregon	A-
6	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Kyle Pitts	Florida	A
7	DET	Detroit	Lions	Oatmeal	Ja'Marr Chase	LSU	B+
8	CAR	Carolina	Panthers	JiF	Jaylen Waddle	Alabama	B+
9	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Rashawn Slater	Northwestern	A
10	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Patrick Surtain II	Alabama	B+
11	NYG	New York	Giants	T0m Shane	Micah Parsons	Penn St.	B
12	PHI	Philadelphia	Eagles	Greenseed4	Jaycee Horn	South Carolina	B+
13	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	DeVonta Smith	Alabama	B+
14	MIN	MInnesota	Vikings	KingP	Christian Darrisaw	Virginia Tech	B+
15	NE	New England	Patriots	High Pitch	Mac Jones	Alabama	B
16	ARI	Arizona	Cardinals	Matt39	Azeez Ojulari	Georgia	A-
17	LV	Las Vegas	Raiders	RedBeardedSavage	Teven Jenkins	Oklahoma St.	B
18	DAL	Dallas	Cowboys	Dcat	Caleb Farley	Virginia Tech	A
19	WAS	Washington	Football Team	Choon328	Kwity Paye	Michigan	A
20	CHI	Chicago	Bears	HawkeyeJet	Alijah Vera-Tucker	USC	A
21	IND	Indianapolis	Colts	Integrity28	Rashod Bateman	Minnesota	C
22	TEN	Tennessee	Titans	Sam Sam He's Our Man	Kadarius Toney	Florida	C
23	DEN	Denver	Broncos	Section314	Zaven Collins	Tulsa	C+
24	PIT	Pittsburgh	Steelers	Paradis	Najee Harris	Alabama	B
25	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	Gregory Rousseau	Miami (Fla.)	C
26	CLE	Cleveland	Browns	BroadwayBen	Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah	Notre Dame	A
27	BAL	Baltimore	Ravens	HeyMangold	Jaelan Phillips	Miami (Fla.)	B
28	NO	New Orleans	Saints	32eboozer	Trevon Moehrig	TCU	A
29	GB	Green Bay	Packers	Lith	Greg Newsome II	Northwestern	B
30	BUF	Buffalo	Bills	New York Mick	Wyatt Davis	Ohio St.	C-
31	KC	Kansas City	Chiefs	jdub03	Liam Eichenberg	Notre Dame	C-
32	TB	Tampa Bay	Buccaneers	IndianaJet	Travis Etienne	Clemson	A

[Beerfish]

Miami looking to trade down from 2-36 anyone interested in moving up give me a shout.

[kdels62]

6 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1	JAX	Jacksonville	Jaguars	NY Jets Vets 91	Trevor Lawrence	Clemson	A
2	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Zach Wilson	BYU	A
3	SF	San Francisco	49ers	Greenbean	Justin Fields	Ohio St.	A-
4	ATL	Atlanta	Falcons	JetLife33	Trey Lance	North Dak St.	B
5	CIN	Cincinnati	Bengals	Wonderboy	Penei Sewell	Oregon	A-
6	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Kyle Pitts	Florida	A
7	DET	Detroit	Lions	Oatmeal	Ja'Marr Chase	LSU	B+
8	CAR	Carolina	Panthers	JiF	Jaylen Waddle	Alabama	B+
9	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Rashawn Slater	Northwestern	A
10	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Patrick Surtain II	Alabama	B+
11	NYG	New York	Giants	T0m Shane	Micah Parsons	Penn St.	B
12	PHI	Philadelphia	Eagles	Greenseed4	Jaycee Horn	South Carolina	B+
13	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	DeVonta Smith	Alabama	B+
14	MIN	MInnesota	Vikings	KingP	Christian Darrisaw	Virginia Tech	B+
15	NE	New England	Patriots	High Pitch	Mac Jones	Alabama	B
16	ARI	Arizona	Cardinals	Matt39	Azeez Ojulari	Georgia	A-
17	LV	Las Vegas	Raiders	RedBeardedSavage	Teven Jenkins	Oklahoma St.	B
18	DAL	Dallas	Cowboys	Dcat	Caleb Farley	Virginia Tech	A
19	WAS	Washington	Football Team	Choon328	Kwity Paye	Michigan	A
20	CHI	Chicago	Bears	HawkeyeJet	Alijah Vera-Tucker	USC	A
21	IND	Indianapolis	Colts	Integrity28	Rashod Bateman	Minnesota	C
22	TEN	Tennessee	Titans	Sam Sam He's Our Man	Kadarius Toney	Florida	C
23	DEN	Denver	Broncos	Section314	Zaven Collins	Tulsa	C+
24	PIT	Pittsburgh	Steelers	Paradis	Najee Harris	Alabama	B
25	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	Gregory Rousseau	Miami (Fla.)	C
26	CLE	Cleveland	Browns	BroadwayBen	Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah	Notre Dame	A
27	BAL	Baltimore	Ravens	HeyMangold	Jaelan Phillips	Miami (Fla.)	B
28	NO	New Orleans	Saints	32eboozer	Trevon Moehrig	TCU	A
29	GB	Green Bay	Packers	Lith	Greg Newsome II	Northwestern	B
30	BUF	Buffalo	Bills	New York Mick	Wyatt Davis	Ohio St.	C-
31	KC	Kansas City	Chiefs	jdub03	Liam Eichenberg	Notre Dame	C-
32	TB	Tampa Bay	Buccaneers	IndianaJet	Travis Etienne	Clemson	A

Very cool

[section314]

14 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1	JAX	Jacksonville	Jaguars	NY Jets Vets 91	Trevor Lawrence	Clemson	A
2	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Zach Wilson	BYU	A
3	SF	San Francisco	49ers	Greenbean	Justin Fields	Ohio St.	A-
4	ATL	Atlanta	Falcons	JetLife33	Trey Lance	North Dak St.	B
5	CIN	Cincinnati	Bengals	Wonderboy	Penei Sewell	Oregon	A-
6	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Kyle Pitts	Florida	A
7	DET	Detroit	Lions	Oatmeal	Ja'Marr Chase	LSU	B+
8	CAR	Carolina	Panthers	JiF	Jaylen Waddle	Alabama	B+
9	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Rashawn Slater	Northwestern	A
10	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Patrick Surtain II	Alabama	B+
11	NYG	New York	Giants	T0m Shane	Micah Parsons	Penn St.	B
12	PHI	Philadelphia	Eagles	Greenseed4	Jaycee Horn	South Carolina	B+
13	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	DeVonta Smith	Alabama	B+
14	MIN	MInnesota	Vikings	KingP	Christian Darrisaw	Virginia Tech	B+
15	NE	New England	Patriots	High Pitch	Mac Jones	Alabama	B
16	ARI	Arizona	Cardinals	Matt39	Azeez Ojulari	Georgia	A-
17	LV	Las Vegas	Raiders	RedBeardedSavage	Teven Jenkins	Oklahoma St.	B
18	DAL	Dallas	Cowboys	Dcat	Caleb Farley	Virginia Tech	A
19	WAS	Washington	Football Team	Choon328	Kwity Paye	Michigan	A
20	CHI	Chicago	Bears	HawkeyeJet	Alijah Vera-Tucker	USC	A
21	IND	Indianapolis	Colts	Integrity28	Rashod Bateman	Minnesota	C
22	TEN	Tennessee	Titans	Sam Sam He's Our Man	Kadarius Toney	Florida	C
23	DEN	Denver	Broncos	Section314	Zaven Collins	Tulsa	C+
24	PIT	Pittsburgh	Steelers	Paradis	Najee Harris	Alabama	B
25	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	Gregory Rousseau	Miami (Fla.)	C
26	CLE	Cleveland	Browns	BroadwayBen	Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah	Notre Dame	A
27	BAL	Baltimore	Ravens	HeyMangold	Jaelan Phillips	Miami (Fla.)	B
28	NO	New Orleans	Saints	32eboozer	Trevon Moehrig	TCU	A
29	GB	Green Bay	Packers	Lith	Greg Newsome II	Northwestern	B
30	BUF	Buffalo	Bills	New York Mick	Wyatt Davis	Ohio St.	C-
31	KC	Kansas City	Chiefs	jdub03	Liam Eichenberg	Notre Dame	C-
32	TB	Tampa Bay	Buccaneers	IndianaJet	Travis Etienne	Clemson	A

Glad I don't work for you!  Collins will be a beast for Fangio.

[IndianaJet]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

RB late first to a contender makes a lot of sense to me. 

They are generally more productive early in their careers before they get beat up.  You get a guy who can make an immediate contribution to a good team on a 4 year rookie contract with a 5th year option.  Then you let him walk in FA for a comp pick while a team (like the Jets) overpays to watch his decline on a 2nd contract.

Sad...but true....

[Beerfish]

No trade interest in the Miami pick so I made the pick.

I attempted to trade up about 5 picks before mine for one of two players but could not do so, both players I wanted went shortly before my pick.

[Sarge4Tide]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

No trade interest in the Miami pick so I made the pick.

I attempted to trade up about 5 picks before mine for one of two players but could not do so, both players I wanted went shortly before my pick.

That's a player I could realistically see the Jets drafting at #34

[section314]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

No trade interest in the Miami pick so I made the pick.

I attempted to trade up about 5 picks before mine for one of two players but could not do so, both players I wanted went shortly before my pick.

I was looking at Williams at #34, but Denver needed an OT more than a RB. Was hoping he might fall to 40. Nice pick, very good player.

[Jdub03]

1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1	JAX	Jacksonville	Jaguars	NY Jets Vets 91	Trevor Lawrence	Clemson	A
2	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Zach Wilson	BYU	A
3	SF	San Francisco	49ers	Greenbean	Justin Fields	Ohio St.	A-
4	ATL	Atlanta	Falcons	JetLife33	Trey Lance	North Dak St.	B
5	CIN	Cincinnati	Bengals	Wonderboy	Penei Sewell	Oregon	A-
6	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Kyle Pitts	Florida	A
7	DET	Detroit	Lions	Oatmeal	Ja'Marr Chase	LSU	B+
8	CAR	Carolina	Panthers	JiF	Jaylen Waddle	Alabama	B+
9	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Rashawn Slater	Northwestern	A
10	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Patrick Surtain II	Alabama	B+
11	NYG	New York	Giants	T0m Shane	Micah Parsons	Penn St.	B
12	PHI	Philadelphia	Eagles	Greenseed4	Jaycee Horn	South Carolina	B+
13	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	DeVonta Smith	Alabama	B+
14	MIN	MInnesota	Vikings	KingP	Christian Darrisaw	Virginia Tech	B+
15	NE	New England	Patriots	High Pitch	Mac Jones	Alabama	B
16	ARI	Arizona	Cardinals	Matt39	Azeez Ojulari	Georgia	A-
17	LV	Las Vegas	Raiders	RedBeardedSavage	Teven Jenkins	Oklahoma St.	B
18	DAL	Dallas	Cowboys	Dcat	Caleb Farley	Virginia Tech	A
19	WAS	Washington	Football Team	Choon328	Kwity Paye	Michigan	A
20	CHI	Chicago	Bears	HawkeyeJet	Alijah Vera-Tucker	USC	A
21	IND	Indianapolis	Colts	Integrity28	Rashod Bateman	Minnesota	C
22	TEN	Tennessee	Titans	Sam Sam He's Our Man	Kadarius Toney	Florida	C
23	DEN	Denver	Broncos	Section314	Zaven Collins	Tulsa	C+
24	PIT	Pittsburgh	Steelers	Paradis	Najee Harris	Alabama	B
25	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	Gregory Rousseau	Miami (Fla.)	C
26	CLE	Cleveland	Browns	BroadwayBen	Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah	Notre Dame	A
27	BAL	Baltimore	Ravens	HeyMangold	Jaelan Phillips	Miami (Fla.)	B
28	NO	New Orleans	Saints	32eboozer	Trevon Moehrig	TCU	A
29	GB	Green Bay	Packers	Lith	Greg Newsome II	Northwestern	B
30	BUF	Buffalo	Bills	New York Mick	Wyatt Davis	Ohio St.	C-
31	KC	Kansas City	Chiefs	jdub03	Liam Eichenberg	Notre Dame	C-
32	TB	Tampa Bay	Buccaneers	IndianaJet	Travis Etienne	Clemson	A

Looks like I need to step up my game. With KC being a Championship level team, I wanted to insert a plug and play starter rather than a more boom or bust pick.  He had very good testing numbers at his Proday that scouts weren't expecting to see.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/notredame/.amp/football/notre-dame-nfl-draft-liam-eichenberg-answers-questions