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32 minutes ago, section314 said:

He's a good player no doubt, but you made sure that you now have an anchor for the right side of the OL for 10 years, to go with Becton. on the left side for 10 years. I'd take what you did every time.

Spencer Brown 3rd round.

Offensive line coaches from the Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Arizona Cardinals were on hand for what some described as one of the best offensive line workouts they’ve witnessed in half a dozen years.

Brown measured in at 6’8 1/2″ and 311 pounds. His arms reached 34 ¾ inches and he completed 33 reps on the bench, although scouts took four away for poor technique, officially crediting him with 29 reps.

His 40 times clocked between 4.88 to 4.90 seconds, with his three-cone coming in sharp at 6.96 seconds. His short shuttle was 4.34 seconds. Brown’s other marks include 31.5 inches in the vertical jump and 9’9″ in the broad jump.

Brown translated that athleticism into position drills and looked terrific. Besides the teams who sent offensive line coaches, the Baltimore Ravens are very high on Spencer Brown. This bears watching considering the ongoing drama with the team’s existing right tackle, Orlando Brown.

 

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As the representative of the New York Jets in this illustrious mock draft, I believe it is my duty to provide my rationale and mindset when making decisions in this draft so to the best of my ability

Same as every year.  It’s the JN Catalina wine mixer

It took hours of negotiation and eventually I caved to exactly what @section314 wanted but I’m happy with the result. I looked up my big board and realized that I had a guy that was considered a top p

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9 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I get it every time on TDN

I tried like 5 times on profootball network.com and they sent a message after the 5th time ....GTFO  🤣

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7 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Spencer Brown 3rd round.

Offensive line coaches from the Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Arizona Cardinals were on hand for what some described as one of the best offensive line workouts they’ve witnessed in half a dozen years.

Brown measured in at 6’8 1/2″ and 311 pounds. His arms reached 34 ¾ inches and he completed 33 reps on the bench, although scouts took four away for poor technique, officially crediting him with 29 reps.

His 40 times clocked between 4.88 to 4.90 seconds, with his three-cone coming in sharp at 6.96 seconds. His short shuttle was 4.34 seconds. Brown’s other marks include 31.5 inches in the vertical jump and 9’9″ in the broad jump.

Brown translated that athleticism into position drills and looked terrific. Besides the teams who sent offensive line coaches, the Baltimore Ravens are very high on Spencer Brown. This bears watching considering the ongoing drama with the team’s existing right tackle, Orlando Brown.

 

Spencer Brown is a tackle only prospect. Long and without great lateral movement. Brown needs to learn how to do a vertical set. Love Brown but he’s not Slater and he can’t play guard.

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26 minutes ago, heymangold said:

Was hoping Bateman or at least toney would have been there at 27 for the Ravens.  Decided ultimately to go edge. Good thing this isn’t real cause i wasn’t scared off by the injury history haha

I was close to try and trade up for Phillips, a bit of risk but super high reward.

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14 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

That’s a great pick.

If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were talking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

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14 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Spencer Brown is a tackle only prospect. Long and without great lateral movement. Brown needs to learn how to do a vertical set. Love Brown but he’s not Slater and he can’t play guard.

Right he’s a Tackle but man he sounds like a great developmental project that could blossom 

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1 minute ago, Lith said:

If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were tlaking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

I was thinking maybe going offensive side of ball for the Pack.

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2 minutes ago, Lith said:

If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were talking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

Would be thrilled to get Newsome @ 34 but more than likely he’s sayonara by then. I really hope JD gets a CB early. Our pass D is atrocious. 

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If you are talking about my pick of Newsome, thanks, I really value your opinions as you are a very knowledgable poster.  If you were tlaking about someone else's pick, who cares, what do you know.

Came into this targeting Newsome at 29.  After Farley went at 18, I didn't think he would be there, but I waited it out and got my guy.  Not sure what direction I would have gone in had he been taken.  Probably would have looked to trade back.

Yep. Newsome and Phillips were the two players that gave me pause about trading up. Newsome might be the best CB in the class.

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44 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I’d have parted with 86 and a second next year to avoid giving up 34 if I had access to next years picks.

yeah.... without any future picks capital (or active players), trades are kept reasonable and more realistic.  For whatever good the chart is in the real NFL, it sure helps move things along here.  Thanks to Jimmy Johnson.

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7 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Right he’s a Tackle but man he sounds like a great developmental project that could blossom 

Yeah I’m happy I got a day 1 starter at RG that might end up at being a 10 year starter at RT.  Plus round 3 and 4 have quite a few nice developmental guys. 

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4 minutes ago, section314 said:

I was thinking maybe going offensive side of ball for the Pack.

Probably would have gone OL if Newsome was not there. 

After watching Kevin King get abused in the playoffs, I thought another corner opposite Jaire Alexander was top priority for the Packers.  Plenty more picks to add some offense, but CB2 was my top target coming into this.

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On 4/5/2021 at 3:26 PM, Paradis said:

So you’re telling me @GREENBEAN is the reason we don’t have the Field of dreams?

 

Hey man.  i was gonna take Kyle Trask!  🤷🏼‍♂️

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On 4/5/2021 at 10:59 AM, kdels62 said:

Well I couldn’t get in contact with Greenbean for a pick swap.

The good news is I wouldn't have done it. :)  SO all is well. 

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52 minutes ago, Lith said:

Probably would have gone OL if Newsome was not there. 

After watching Kevin King get abused in the playoffs, I thought another corner opposite Jaire Alexander was top priority for the Packers.  Plenty more picks to add some offense, but CB2 was my top target coming into this.

Aaron rogers will be pouting and making cryptic comments cause you did not get him any more weaponzzzzz in the 1st round

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Day three kicks off with the SuperBowl champs adding to the offense.  They can’t count on the Chiefs being without their two starting tackles in the SuperBowl next year so they’re planning on just outscoring them to go back to back. 

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6 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

Day three kicks off with the SuperBowl champs adding to the offense.  They can’t count on the Chiefs being without their two starting tackles in the SuperBowl next year so they’re planning on just outscoring them to go back to back. 

Great pick and value. Was hoping he'd last 2 more picks to me @#34. RB is on  the list for Denver, but not in this range. Etienne would have been an exception.

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9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Aaron rogers will be pouting and making cryptic comments cause you did not get him any more weaponzzzzz in the 1st round

F**k Rodgers.  Who needs weapons.  He just needs to shut up and get close enough for us to kick field goals.

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5 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

2 years in a row a RB wraps up the first rd.   not too shabbadabbadingdong man! 

RB late first to a contender makes a lot of sense to me. 

They are generally more productive early in their careers before they get beat up.  You get a guy who can make an immediate contribution to a good team on a 4 year rookie contract with a 5th year option.  Then you let him walk in FA for a comp pick while a team (like the Jets) overpays to watch his decline on a 2nd contract.

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Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1 JAX Jacksonville Jaguars NY Jets Vets 91 Trevor Lawrence Clemson A
2 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Zach Wilson BYU A
3 SF San Francisco 49ers Greenbean Justin Fields Ohio St. A-
4 ATL Atlanta Falcons JetLife33 Trey Lance North Dak St. B  
5 CIN Cincinnati Bengals Wonderboy Penei Sewell Oregon A-
6 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Kyle Pitts Florida A
7 DET Detroit Lions Oatmeal Ja'Marr Chase LSU B+
8 CAR Carolina Panthers JiF Jaylen Waddle Alabama B+
9 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Rashawn Slater Northwestern A
10 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Patrick Surtain II Alabama B+
11 NYG New York Giants T0m Shane Micah Parsons Penn St. B
12 PHI Philadelphia Eagles Greenseed4 Jaycee Horn South Carolina B+
13 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet DeVonta Smith Alabama B+
14 MIN MInnesota Vikings KingP Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech B+
15 NE New England Patriots High Pitch Mac Jones Alabama B
16 ARI Arizona Cardinals Matt39 Azeez Ojulari Georgia A-
17 LV Las Vegas Raiders RedBeardedSavage Teven Jenkins Oklahoma St. B
18 DAL Dallas Cowboys Dcat Caleb Farley Virginia Tech A
19 WAS Washington Football Team Choon328 Kwity Paye Michigan A
20 CHI Chicago Bears HawkeyeJet Alijah Vera-Tucker USC A
21 IND Indianapolis Colts Integrity28 Rashod Bateman Minnesota C
22 TEN Tennessee Titans Sam Sam He's Our Man Kadarius Toney Florida C
23 DEN Denver Broncos Section314 Zaven Collins Tulsa C+
24 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers Paradis Najee Harris Alabama B
25 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet Gregory Rousseau Miami (Fla.) C
26 CLE Cleveland Browns BroadwayBen Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame A
27 BAL Baltimore Ravens HeyMangold Jaelan Phillips Miami (Fla.) B
28 NO New Orleans Saints 32eboozer Trevon Moehrig TCU A
29 GB Green Bay Packers Lith Greg Newsome II Northwestern B
30 BUF Buffalo Bills New York Mick Wyatt Davis Ohio St. C-
31 KC Kansas City Chiefs jdub03 Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame C-
32 TB Tampa Bay Buccaneers IndianaJet Travis Etienne Clemson A
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6 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1 JAX Jacksonville Jaguars NY Jets Vets 91 Trevor Lawrence Clemson A
2 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Zach Wilson BYU A
3 SF San Francisco 49ers Greenbean Justin Fields Ohio St. A-
4 ATL Atlanta Falcons JetLife33 Trey Lance North Dak St. B  
5 CIN Cincinnati Bengals Wonderboy Penei Sewell Oregon A-
6 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Kyle Pitts Florida A
7 DET Detroit Lions Oatmeal Ja'Marr Chase LSU B+
8 CAR Carolina Panthers JiF Jaylen Waddle Alabama B+
9 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Rashawn Slater Northwestern A
10 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Patrick Surtain II Alabama B+
11 NYG New York Giants T0m Shane Micah Parsons Penn St. B
12 PHI Philadelphia Eagles Greenseed4 Jaycee Horn South Carolina B+
13 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet DeVonta Smith Alabama B+
14 MIN MInnesota Vikings KingP Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech B+
15 NE New England Patriots High Pitch Mac Jones Alabama B
16 ARI Arizona Cardinals Matt39 Azeez Ojulari Georgia A-
17 LV Las Vegas Raiders RedBeardedSavage Teven Jenkins Oklahoma St. B
18 DAL Dallas Cowboys Dcat Caleb Farley Virginia Tech A
19 WAS Washington Football Team Choon328 Kwity Paye Michigan A
20 CHI Chicago Bears HawkeyeJet Alijah Vera-Tucker USC A
21 IND Indianapolis Colts Integrity28 Rashod Bateman Minnesota C
22 TEN Tennessee Titans Sam Sam He's Our Man Kadarius Toney Florida C
23 DEN Denver Broncos Section314 Zaven Collins Tulsa C+
24 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers Paradis Najee Harris Alabama B
25 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet Gregory Rousseau Miami (Fla.) C
26 CLE Cleveland Browns BroadwayBen Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame A
27 BAL Baltimore Ravens HeyMangold Jaelan Phillips Miami (Fla.) B
28 NO New Orleans Saints 32eboozer Trevon Moehrig TCU A
29 GB Green Bay Packers Lith Greg Newsome II Northwestern B
30 BUF Buffalo Bills New York Mick Wyatt Davis Ohio St. C-
31 KC Kansas City Chiefs jdub03 Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame C-
32 TB Tampa Bay Buccaneers IndianaJet Travis Etienne Clemson A

Very cool

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14 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1 JAX Jacksonville Jaguars NY Jets Vets 91 Trevor Lawrence Clemson A
2 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Zach Wilson BYU A
3 SF San Francisco 49ers Greenbean Justin Fields Ohio St. A-
4 ATL Atlanta Falcons JetLife33 Trey Lance North Dak St. B  
5 CIN Cincinnati Bengals Wonderboy Penei Sewell Oregon A-
6 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Kyle Pitts Florida A
7 DET Detroit Lions Oatmeal Ja'Marr Chase LSU B+
8 CAR Carolina Panthers JiF Jaylen Waddle Alabama B+
9 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Rashawn Slater Northwestern A
10 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Patrick Surtain II Alabama B+
11 NYG New York Giants T0m Shane Micah Parsons Penn St. B
12 PHI Philadelphia Eagles Greenseed4 Jaycee Horn South Carolina B+
13 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet DeVonta Smith Alabama B+
14 MIN MInnesota Vikings KingP Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech B+
15 NE New England Patriots High Pitch Mac Jones Alabama B
16 ARI Arizona Cardinals Matt39 Azeez Ojulari Georgia A-
17 LV Las Vegas Raiders RedBeardedSavage Teven Jenkins Oklahoma St. B
18 DAL Dallas Cowboys Dcat Caleb Farley Virginia Tech A
19 WAS Washington Football Team Choon328 Kwity Paye Michigan A
20 CHI Chicago Bears HawkeyeJet Alijah Vera-Tucker USC A
21 IND Indianapolis Colts Integrity28 Rashod Bateman Minnesota C
22 TEN Tennessee Titans Sam Sam He's Our Man Kadarius Toney Florida C
23 DEN Denver Broncos Section314 Zaven Collins Tulsa C+
24 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers Paradis Najee Harris Alabama B
25 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet Gregory Rousseau Miami (Fla.) C
26 CLE Cleveland Browns BroadwayBen Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame A
27 BAL Baltimore Ravens HeyMangold Jaelan Phillips Miami (Fla.) B
28 NO New Orleans Saints 32eboozer Trevon Moehrig TCU A
29 GB Green Bay Packers Lith Greg Newsome II Northwestern B
30 BUF Buffalo Bills New York Mick Wyatt Davis Ohio St. C-
31 KC Kansas City Chiefs jdub03 Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame C-
32 TB Tampa Bay Buccaneers IndianaJet Travis Etienne Clemson A

Glad I don't work for you!  Collins will be a beast for Fangio.

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1 hour ago, Lith said:

RB late first to a contender makes a lot of sense to me. 

They are generally more productive early in their careers before they get beat up.  You get a guy who can make an immediate contribution to a good team on a 4 year rookie contract with a 5th year option.  Then you let him walk in FA for a comp pick while a team (like the Jets) overpays to watch his decline on a 2nd contract.

Sad...but true....

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No trade interest in the Miami pick so I made the pick.

I attempted to trade up about 5 picks before mine for one of two players but could not do so, both players I wanted went shortly before my pick.

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

No trade interest in the Miami pick so I made the pick.

I attempted to trade up about 5 picks before mine for one of two players but could not do so, both players I wanted went shortly before my pick.

That's a player I could realistically see the Jets drafting at #34

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3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

No trade interest in the Miami pick so I made the pick.

I attempted to trade up about 5 picks before mine for one of two players but could not do so, both players I wanted went shortly before my pick.

I was looking at Williams at #34, but Denver needed an OT more than a RB. Was hoping he might fall to 40. Nice pick, very good player.

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1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1 JAX Jacksonville Jaguars NY Jets Vets 91 Trevor Lawrence Clemson A
2 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Zach Wilson BYU A
3 SF San Francisco 49ers Greenbean Justin Fields Ohio St. A-
4 ATL Atlanta Falcons JetLife33 Trey Lance North Dak St. B  
5 CIN Cincinnati Bengals Wonderboy Penei Sewell Oregon A-
6 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Kyle Pitts Florida A
7 DET Detroit Lions Oatmeal Ja'Marr Chase LSU B+
8 CAR Carolina Panthers JiF Jaylen Waddle Alabama B+
9 NYJ New York Jets kdels62 Rashawn Slater Northwestern A
10 MIA Miami Dolphins Beerfish Patrick Surtain II Alabama B+
11 NYG New York Giants T0m Shane Micah Parsons Penn St. B
12 PHI Philadelphia Eagles Greenseed4 Jaycee Horn South Carolina B+
13 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet DeVonta Smith Alabama B+
14 MIN MInnesota Vikings KingP Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech B+
15 NE New England Patriots High Pitch Mac Jones Alabama B
16 ARI Arizona Cardinals Matt39 Azeez Ojulari Georgia A-
17 LV Las Vegas Raiders RedBeardedSavage Teven Jenkins Oklahoma St. B
18 DAL Dallas Cowboys Dcat Caleb Farley Virginia Tech A
19 WAS Washington Football Team Choon328 Kwity Paye Michigan A
20 CHI Chicago Bears HawkeyeJet Alijah Vera-Tucker USC A
21 IND Indianapolis Colts Integrity28 Rashod Bateman Minnesota C
22 TEN Tennessee Titans Sam Sam He's Our Man Kadarius Toney Florida C
23 DEN Denver Broncos Section314 Zaven Collins Tulsa C+
24 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers Paradis Najee Harris Alabama B
25 LAC Los Angeles Chargers WhartonJet Gregory Rousseau Miami (Fla.) C
26 CLE Cleveland Browns BroadwayBen Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame A
27 BAL Baltimore Ravens HeyMangold Jaelan Phillips Miami (Fla.) B
28 NO New Orleans Saints 32eboozer Trevon Moehrig TCU A
29 GB Green Bay Packers Lith Greg Newsome II Northwestern B
30 BUF Buffalo Bills New York Mick Wyatt Davis Ohio St. C-
31 KC Kansas City Chiefs jdub03 Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame C-
32 TB Tampa Bay Buccaneers IndianaJet Travis Etienne Clemson A

Looks like I need to step up my game. With KC being a Championship level team, I wanted to insert a plug and play starter rather than a more boom or bust pick.  He had very good testing numbers at his Proday that scouts weren't expecting to see.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/notredame/.amp/football/notre-dame-nfl-draft-liam-eichenberg-answers-questions

 

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