JetNation 2021 Mock Draft DISCUSSION

[section314]

@Wonderboynice pick. Good start in replacing Geno Atkins.

[Wonderboy]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

@Wonderboynice pick. Good start in replacing Geno Atkins.

Thanks homie. Was thinking CB or WR Marshall but Higgins was picked last year and is basically a Marshall clone who's great value BUT Greenie swiped him just before me BUT I wouldn't have taken him anyways since I'm looking for more of a joystick type WR ala Tyrek Hill to go along with Higgins. Barmore was ranked 19th so this is insane value as well.  LETS GO METS!!!!!!

[Beerfish]

Good pick of Barrmore, but it also shows the proper value of good DT's that are not totally elite.

 

[Lith]

40 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Thanks homie. Was thinking CB or WR Marshall but Higgins was picked last year and is basically a Marshall clone who's great value BUT Greenie swiped him just before me BUT I wouldn't have taken him anyways since I'm looking for more of a joystick type WR ala Tyrek Hill to go along with Higgins. Barmore was ranked 19th so this is insane value as well.  LETS GO METS!!!!!!

I likethe Barmore pick.  Was hoping that maybe the Jet fan aversion to DTs might allow him to drop to late 2.  Didn't think it would happen though.  And it didn't.

[kdels62]

7 minutes ago, Lith said:

I likethe Barmore pick.  Was hoping that maybe the Jet fan aversion to DTs might allow him to drop to late 2.  Didn't think it would happen though.  And it didn't.

5 QBs, 7 OL, 5 WRs all gone in the first round. I wonder whats on the mind of Jets fans.

[Lith]

5 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

5 QBs, 7 OL, 5 WRs all gone in the first round. I wonder whats on the mind of Jets fans.

Best value in these drafts are usually the positons that the Jets don't need or Jet fans don't value.  Although we kind of need everything, so I am not sure that helps this year.

[section314]

10 minutes ago, Lith said:

Best value in these drafts are usually the positons that the Jets don't need or Jet fans don't value.  Although we kind of need everything, so I am not sure that helps this year.

Are you guys totally of the belief that we are taking Wilson? I still have my doubts. Just like I have doubts that 5 qb's are going in the first round.

[JustInFudge]

****!!!  Couldnt believe Barmore was still around. 

Time to recalibrate.  Hold tight. 

[GREENBEAN]

4 hours ago, Lith said:

RB late first to a contender makes a lot of sense to me. 

They are generally more productive early in their careers before they get beat up.  You get a guy who can make an immediate contribution to a good team on a 4 year rookie contract with a 5th year option.  Then you let him walk in FA for a comp pick while a team (like the Jets) overpays to watch his decline on a 2nd contract.

Absolutely 

[Wonderboy]

35 minutes ago, Lith said:

I likethe Barmore pick.  Was hoping that maybe the Jet fan aversion to DTs might allow him to drop to late 2.  Didn't think it would happen though.  And it didn't.

Thx, He’s vastly improved and is just BEASTLY

[Sarge4Tide]

If the Jets want a good offensive lineman, they are going to have to get one at #23 - there will be an ungodly run on good OLs in the mid-late 1st round and after that, you are looking for a diamond in the rough

MAYBE you can wait until #34, but that's pushing it

[Dcat]

3 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Here are my 1st round mock grades - no disrespect intended to anyone, just my opinion

 

1	JAX	Jacksonville	Jaguars	NY Jets Vets 91	Trevor Lawrence	Clemson	A
2	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Zach Wilson	BYU	A
3	SF	San Francisco	49ers	Greenbean	Justin Fields	Ohio St.	A-
4	ATL	Atlanta	Falcons	JetLife33	Trey Lance	North Dak St.	B
5	CIN	Cincinnati	Bengals	Wonderboy	Penei Sewell	Oregon	A-
6	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Kyle Pitts	Florida	A
7	DET	Detroit	Lions	Oatmeal	Ja'Marr Chase	LSU	B+
8	CAR	Carolina	Panthers	JiF	Jaylen Waddle	Alabama	B+
9	NYJ	New York	Jets	kdels62	Rashawn Slater	Northwestern	A
10	MIA	Miami	Dolphins	Beerfish	Patrick Surtain II	Alabama	B+
11	NYG	New York	Giants	T0m Shane	Micah Parsons	Penn St.	B
12	PHI	Philadelphia	Eagles	Greenseed4	Jaycee Horn	South Carolina	B+
13	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	DeVonta Smith	Alabama	B+
14	MIN	MInnesota	Vikings	KingP	Christian Darrisaw	Virginia Tech	B+
15	NE	New England	Patriots	High Pitch	Mac Jones	Alabama	B
16	ARI	Arizona	Cardinals	Matt39	Azeez Ojulari	Georgia	A-
17	LV	Las Vegas	Raiders	RedBeardedSavage	Teven Jenkins	Oklahoma St.	B
18	DAL	Dallas	Cowboys	Dcat	Caleb Farley	Virginia Tech	A
19	WAS	Washington	Football Team	Choon328	Kwity Paye	Michigan	A
20	CHI	Chicago	Bears	HawkeyeJet	Alijah Vera-Tucker	USC	A
21	IND	Indianapolis	Colts	Integrity28	Rashod Bateman	Minnesota	C
22	TEN	Tennessee	Titans	Sam Sam He's Our Man	Kadarius Toney	Florida	C
23	DEN	Denver	Broncos	Section314	Zaven Collins	Tulsa	C+
24	PIT	Pittsburgh	Steelers	Paradis	Najee Harris	Alabama	B
25	LAC	Los Angeles	Chargers	WhartonJet	Gregory Rousseau	Miami (Fla.)	C
26	CLE	Cleveland	Browns	BroadwayBen	Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah	Notre Dame	A
27	BAL	Baltimore	Ravens	HeyMangold	Jaelan Phillips	Miami (Fla.)	B
28	NO	New Orleans	Saints	32eboozer	Trevon Moehrig	TCU	A
29	GB	Green Bay	Packers	Lith	Greg Newsome II	Northwestern	B
30	BUF	Buffalo	Bills	New York Mick	Wyatt Davis	Ohio St.	C-
31	KC	Kansas City	Chiefs	jdub03	Liam Eichenberg	Notre Dame	C-
32	TB	Tampa Bay	Buccaneers	IndianaJet	Travis Etienne	Clemson	A

pleased to have a nice grade, but my trade down for Farley comes with risk.  Probably should have stayed and grabbed Surtain.  In retrospect, I wasn't thinking straight because I almost lost out on all 3 of the top corners and would have had to move up in rd 2 to get newsome or the like.  Greedy for that extra pick, I was.  Glad I got Caleb.  He hasn't played in a while.  But neither has Horn.

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, Sarge4Tide said:

If the Jets want a good offensive lineman, they are going to have to get one at #23 - there will be an ungodly run on good OLs in the mid-late 1st round and after that, you are looking for a diamond in the rough

MAYBE you can wait until #34, but that's pushing it

agree

[section314]

2 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

If the Jets want a good offensive lineman, they are going to have to get one at #23 - there will be an ungodly run on good OLs in the mid-late 1st round and after that, you are looking for a diamond in the rough

MAYBE you can wait until #34, but that's pushing it

Just me, maybe, but that sounds like Creed Humphrey territory.

[kdels62]

2 hours ago, Jdub03 said:

Looks like I need to step up my game. With KC being a Championship level team, I wanted to insert a plug and play starter rather than a more boom or bust pick.  He had very good testing numbers at his Proday that scouts weren't expecting to see.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/notredame/.amp/football/notre-dame-nfl-draft-liam-eichenberg-answers-questions

 

I like the pick. Eichenberg is a steady unspectacular play who has a high floor. He just does the thing and he does it well.

[Lith]

4 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

If the Jets want a good offensive lineman, they are going to have to get one at #23 - there will be an ungodly run on good OLs in the mid-late 1st round and after that, you are looking for a diamond in the rough

MAYBE you can wait until #34, but that's pushing it

I agree.  I think 23 is the spot.  Draft is deep in OL, but after grabbing our new QB at 2, nothing is more important than protecting him.  Take the OL at 23, and if the CBs are off the board by 34, so be it.  Cannot take a risk on the OL.  Either make the pick at 23, or even move up if you have to shipping off next year's 2 to move up 4-6 spots if someone drops.

[Beerfish]

I don;t see the picks so far being tuned to what 'Jet fans' want (due to our needs), moreso what smart fans want.

 

[section314]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I don;t see the picks so far being tuned to what 'Jet fans' want (due to our needs), moreso what smart fans want.

 

It's really putting yourself into the mind of the team you are representing, and doing your homework. For Denver, QB is listed as need #1, but I wasn't going to trade 40% of our draft to go up and get Trey Lance or Mac Jones. Shoot me first. They desperately need a RT, and a LB to play various roles in the middle of their 3-4 defense. That's why I worked so hard to get the trade done with the Jets, so I could get two guys that will be starters at those spots. Who knows how long Von Miller will be there going forward, and Chubb is going into his last year of his rookie deal, thus the Ossai pick. It's just really cool looking at this stuff from a non-Jets perspective.

[King P]

@oatmeal

Tyson Campbell was already picked by @JiF

Pick again 

[oatmeal]

16 minutes ago, King P said:

@oatmeal

Tyson Campbell was already picked by @JiF

Pick again 

Fixed sorry 

[T0mShane]

I’m waiting for @oatmeal to make a new pick

[section314]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m waiting for @oatmeal to make a new pick

He did,,,changed it on selection page. Alex Leatherwood.

[Dcat]

@GREENBEAN  turn your notices on

[Lith]

20 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

Hey man.  i was gonna take Kyle Trask!  ??‍♂️

 

1 minute ago, Dcat said:

@GREENBEAN  turn your notices on

If he doesn't show, he gets Kyle Trask.

[GREENBEAN]

9 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

If he doesn't show, he gets Kyle Trask.

hahaha.  

He showed up! 

[GREENBEAN]

Slight reach and I thought I would have grabbed Asante Samuel but Stokes is just too good and will prove the doubters wrong. Enjoy the Bay young man! 

[T0mShane]

Nobody wants to read a hypothetical rationale, but I drafted Cosmi because Andrew Thomas struggled at OLT and Matt Peart is the starting ORT, Thank you. 

[Lith]

7 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

hahaha.  

He showed up! 

Glad you did.  Welcome to the draft.

[GREENBEAN]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Nobody wants to read a hypothetical rationale, but I drafted Cosmi because Andrew Thomas struggled at OLT and Matt Peart is the starting ORT, Thank you. 

I love rationale  I actually love to spell the word rationale.   Terrible pick though.  Your rationale stinks!  ?

[GREENBEAN]

Just now, Lith said:

Glad you did.  Welcome to the draft.

Thanks buddy.  I have it back into the ether over here.  I'm quite lost these days. Both figuratively and literally. 

[Beerfish]

Bah!  Trask is better in press coverage than Stokes.

[Dcat]

Surprised Carman there.  I think he is underrated.  Had him higher than both Cosmi and Leatherwood.  One of the many little reasons why Trevor Lawrence is a slam dunk #1.  He's a road grader in run blocking abilities which Zeke Elliott sorely needs and another way to help Dak move around too, whether they use him as a tackle or at guard (played tackle 100% at Clemson).  He did a fine job keeping Lawrence upright.  Geez a match made in heaven.  I was thinking  of trading up to get him but Leatherneck and Kosmo Kramer went first. 

Also, I think he'd be gone with the next pick... on his way to protect Trevor for the next 10 years.  Nope.  Seriously, I hope the Jets consider him. 

[GREENBEAN]

2 hours ago, Dcat said:

@GREENBEAN  turn your notices on

haha. I wish I could. The JN App never works rght for me. It never has.  Even with my new Iphone 12 I can't see. notifications at all.  Even manually I can't see them from my phone. So I have to scroll through everything to see wtf is going on. ??

Its ok now. I'm around.  I just mixed up the time with the first rd. I came before it started and then I came back when it was way passed my pick.  Lith did good though.  Fields is who I was gonna take.  Or Lance. 

[GREENBEAN]

2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Bah!  Trask is better in press coverage than Stokes.

Stokes is a stud!  You've been drinking. 

[Integrity28]

Colts are likely going to want to trade back. Potentially way back, we don't have a 3rd rounder - but would like one.