Darnold to the Panthers

[southparkcpa]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes he could and would.  Maybe not a championship but definitely a division title and some playoff games.  Andy Reid traded up for Mahomes for a reason.  And then a year later dumped Alex Smith despite coming off a career year.

The overwhelming majority of evidence tells us that QB's lift (or bring down) the personnel and supporting cast around them far moreso than the other way around.  QB's make the most money on the field, and more than GM's or coaches, for a reason.  You can either play the game well or you can't.  

And its telling that the 2 people who repped this post are @Pac and @genot.  lmao.  With Pac and genot calling the shots, the Chiefs would have stuck with Alex Smith.

Ok self appointed GM.   Now our new internet GM.   ?

[jetstream23]

3 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

We have #23 #34 and #66. Two of those three will be OL.  LT Becton.... LG ? (Tucker/Davis)... C McGovern.... RG ?.......RT Fant  . They could also grab a RT and slide Fant to G or grab a center and slide McGovern to G. Lots of options but I definitely sense JD doesn't mess with the OL and uses 2 top picks here.

"They'll get all these linemen."

"They have all these picks."

"So many options."

"We're in great shape."

Man, it just doesn't matter.  This isn't directed at you specifically because even I get jaded by the optimism and the "what if" of a #23 pick, a #34 pick, etc. as if the Jets will miraculously do something correct with them and find the right guys after hopefully also doing the right thing at #2 and picking the best available QB out of the 3 or 4 choices JD will have.  I just can't be optimistic anymore that they'll do the right thing.  The odds are much, much higher (probably 75% or better) that the Jets will mess up AT LEAST one or two of those first three picks.  IF they get the QB wrong at #2 we're in limbo for another 3-4 years like we were with Darnold.  If they get the right QB but f*** up the upgrade on the OLine by whiffing at #23, 34, etc. then we're putting Wilson in the same situation that degraded Darnold beyond repair here.

So much has to go right immediately that it's almost unfathomable, knowing the history of this team, they'll be able to pull it off.  Remember, the only reason Sanchez even had some short-term success here was because he landed behind an OLine that had D'Brick Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Brandon Moore, Alan Faneca, etc. and was throwing to Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, etc. from starting field positions that an excellent defense was giving him.  We have NONE of that right now.  BUT... we've decided it makes sense to throw a shiny new QB into this situation (again) and ask him to gut it out while we spend the next two years building around him "the right way" without the willingness to overpay at just one position critical to QB success like Guard with a guy like Joe Thuney.

So I'm with you..... I want to be optimistic.  I see the picks we have, I see the future Cap space (that we decided not to use on OLine this year) and say to myself.... it just doesn't matter.  I'll believe it when I see it.  If we get the QB right and can't get the OLine picks right then we're screwed.  If we get the QB wrong then it doesn't even matter what we do the rest of the Draft.

 

[JTJet]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Already had a vision that Darnold meets us in the Super Bowl, beats us, and they make an ESPN 30 for 30 about it...

"Only the Jets" 

Its inevitable. 

[Jetscode1]

4 hours ago, Lurker89 said:

Rofl .... Look I liked Darnold the person... But I'm not crying over losing Darnold the player .... I've gotten Sanchez vibes from him since the moment his first throw was a pick.

 

What I'm really enjoying is being a psychic vampire and drinking all the Darnold homers delicious tears. 

Sanchez > Darnold

[Paradis]

36 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

If one of the top receivers, Pitts or Slater were to fall to mid to high teens, Id be cool with using a third rder to go up and get them.  

Slater in the teens is quite possible. Pitts on the other hand - someone will trade up for him if he makes it past 6/7

knowing my luck we’ll probably take Bateman at #23... kinda given up with “having preference”... it never works out for me. 

[Jets723]

33 minutes ago, Barkus said:

It’s probably the 55yd dimes he throws downfield. We are not used to seeing that as Jets fans. 

I think there are legit concerns about his frame and injuries.  Also didn’t play a tough schedule.  Not saying he won’t be a good QB but I understand the concerns 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Ok self appointed GM.   Now our new internet GM.   ?

Not claiming to have GM knowledge.  Just looking at the data and following the money, information which is readily available and provides a rather obvious conclusion on this particular topic.  

And GM's get this stuff wrong too.  Like, a lot.

[Charlie Brown]

I for one believe that this is Great News in that it means that the Jets believe that Zach Wilson is the real deal, FOR REAL!!

I can only hope that Wilson is the ONE and unlike some, even if Wilson proves not to be the one, I will be willing to give this GM JD and coach Saleh more tries at the apple because I know that they are doing their homework and trying to do the right thing! 

[Jetscode1]

4 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Great haul kudos to jd

I like the accumulation of draft picks.  JD seems adept at this but at a certain point he needs to show the ability to draft.  On that point he remains a work in progress.

[genot]

35 minutes ago, Barkus said:

It’s probably the 55yd dimes he throws downfield. We are not used to seeing that as Jets fans. 

No. It's not that. It's not talent related.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Pennington was a lot better than Favre was with the Jets, and he beat the Jets and Favre the last game of the season to win the division title, so I don't get your point.  The Favre signing was a failure.  Favre used the Jets to get to the Vikings and the Jets obliged and people lost their jobs because of it.  

Favre was 39 and suffered a bicep tear the one year he was with the Jets.  Prior to that injury, the Jets were 8-3 and had the # 1 ranked offense.  

Pennington was 32 in 2008 and had a 10 TD / 9 INT ratio his final year with the Jets.  

[Alka]

12 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Nope. Shula floated a rumor that he was a coke head. Intentionally caused him to fall. 

Recall, Pittsburgh was a hub of cocaine distribution for professional athletes back during that time. 

Dale Berra, Rod Scurry all big coke fiends for the Pirates back in the 70s and Keith Hernandez admitted that’s basically where he scored his coke every trip in. Spilled over to college ball.  

Marino was certainly a party animal so the story fit. True or not. 

What really made Shula a slime-ball, was when he allowed the stadium to be flooded the night before the AFC Championship game between the Fins and the Jets, and purposely did not put the tarp on the field the night before when everyone knew it was going to rain a lot.

He did this because he wanted to negate the NY sack exchange, and felt he had a better chance of winning if the field was a mess, which it most certainly was.

That game was called: "The Mud Bowl"!!!

[Pac]

8 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Ok self appointed GM.   Now our new internet GM.   ?

Sadly hes been like this for a decade.. I see no hope for our slow friend, 80.

[Lurker89]

6 minutes ago, Jetscode1 said:

Sanchez > Darnold

Yes some trash is better than other trash....  but trash is trash and not worth arguing about...

[Jetsfan80]

54 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

That's all well and good. If they don't like it request a trade. Popularity is fleeting and it doesn't translate to much that often outside of polling questions. 

 

Still waiting on that mutiny the Jets' players were going to throw if the team traded Jamal Adams.  

[genot]

If the Jet's handled Darnold the way the Chiefs handled Mahomes, we might not have been having this still searching debate the last three months.

[Peace Frog]

1 minute ago, Alka said:

What really made Shula a slime-ball, was when he allowed the stadium to be flooded the night before the AFC Championship game between the Fins and the Jets, and purposely did not put the tarp on the field the night before when everyone knew it was going to rain a lot.

He did this because he wanted to negate the NY sack exchange, and felt he had a better chance of winning if the field was a mess, which it most certainly was.

That game was called: "The Mud Bowl"!!!

Yes of course, remember it well. Killed me.  

But that was 1 game. 

He had Marino for years. 

[Jetsfan80]

46 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

Right.  The first time he hands off to McCaffrey will be the FIRST time Darnold has any semblance of a Pro running game....in his 4th Year...so pathetic.

And the first time Darnold misses a wide open McCaffrey in the flat (probably the 1st quarter of his 1st game), McCaffrey will be missing Teddy Bridgewater.  

[Jet Life]

Just now, genot said:

If the Jet's handled Darnold the way the Chiefs handled Mahomes, we might not have been having this still searching debate the last three months.

If Sam had Mahomes arm and overall talent, I would agree 

[Big_Slick]

Wow!! I was out and then was watching the Yankees on tape delay before I saw the news. I'm not going to read 26 pages of posts, my thoughts are below.

1 - I am 100% behind Wilson (or Fields).

2 - That was a pitiful return for Sam. A 6th this year is a wipe your ass pick. 2nd next year is like a 3rd and a 4th next year is also a wipe your BS pick.

3 - JD has bet his career on a match stick QB who'll most likely be 'broken' (physically) in his rookie season. Again see #1) I am 100% hoping that Wilson is the guy.

4 - Jesus H fricken Christ - I don't have many rebuilds left in my 67 year old body. At least I saw one Jets championship in my life.

[genot]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And the first time Darnold misses a wide open McCaffrey in the flat (probably the 1st quarter of his 1st game), McCaffrey will be missing Teddy Bridgewater.  

Who did Darnold have out of the backfield to throw to. Part of the problem with the offense the last two years. Don't you think.

[jetstream23]

4 hours ago, Grandy said:

The biggest winner of this trade is Darnold himself. 

 

4 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

That's a good haul.  I personally prefer picks in future drafts where the evaluation process won't be so sketchy.

As far as Sam Darnold goes, I'm sorry it had to end like this.  I for one probably defended you more than deserved, but I legitimately believe he is a better player than he showed here and he was dealt a sh*t hand development wise.  

 

Big win for Sam.  He gets a legit shot in a better environment with better coaching and talent.  It's not every day that you go from handing off to Frank Gore to handing off to Christian McCaffrey.  DJ Moore and Robby Anderson will be the best WR1/2 combo Sam has played with in the NFL. The fact that the Panthers are picking up his 5th year option gives some stability and the Panthers will essentially have a two-year total cap cost of about $24M for Sam with the 5th year option.  Having the #8 pick this year helps as well.

It's rare that you get a win-win-win in a trade but when you look at the Jets getting a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, sending Sam to a NFC team, Carolina taking an immediate QB need off the table without using a 1st round pick and staying at #8, and giving Sam upgraded coaching and talent around him.... that's kinda what this is, at least on paper.

 

[Peace Frog]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Favre was 39 and suffered a bicep tear the one year he was with the Jets.  Prior to that injury, the Jets were 8-3 and had the # 1 ranked offense.  

Pennington was 32 in 2008 and had a 10 TD / 9 INT ratio his final year with the Jets.  

People forget, Favre was awesome before he tore his bicep and folks were legitimately talking about a Jet-Giant Super Bowl matchup that year. Giants were 6-2 to start.  

Tore the bicep, refused to sit and it was all over. 

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, Jet Life said:

If Sam had Mahomes arm and overall talent, I would agree 

It's like some people here don't watch anything but Jets games.

Some folks need to watch other QB's play some times.  It's a real joy to watch.  Then you watch Darnold and he's boring, stupid, inaccurate and injury prone.  

[southparkcpa]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not claiming to have GM knowledge.  Just looking at the data and following the money, information which is readily available and provides a rather obvious conclusion on this particular topic.  

And GM's get this stuff wrong too.  Like, a lot.

The DATA points clearly at JETS management.  We haven’t drafted and developed a QB in almost 20 years that’s assuming you count Pennington. I don’t.  penny was a mis hit as well. .   this is more about a team that sucks at personnel.   I don’t believe Mahommes succeeds here. you do.  We disagree.  That’s fine.  I’m not saying Darnold is Mahommes.  I’m saying NO QB could survive with the team our GMs have put on the field.  Chris and Woody are beyond stupid.  STUPID is an insult to stupid people.   

[southparkcpa]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It's like some people here don't watch anything but Jets games.

Some folks need to watch other QB's play some times.  It's a real joy to watch.  Then you watch Darnold and he's boring, stupid, inaccurate and injury prone.  

Brady is the most boring QB I’ve watched in 20 years.  I’ll take it.  

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

The DATA points clearly at JETS management.  We haven’t drafted and developed a QB in almost 20 years that’s assuming you count Pennington. I don’t.  penny was a mis hit as well. .   this is more about a team that sucks at personnel.   I don’t believe Mahommes succeeds here. you do.  We disagree.  That’s fine.  I’m not saying Darnold is Mahommes.  I’m saying NO QB could survive with the team our GMs have put on the field.  Chris and Woody are beyond stupid.  STUPID is an insult to stupid people.   

 

Yet Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith had no success with their post-Jets career.  You would expect that they'd do well with competent org's if your argument holds water, but they didn't.  

So clearly it wasn't just the Jets inability to develop a QB that was the primary problem.  The Jets draft bad QB's.  Darnold was one of them.  Darnold arrived as an extremely flawed prospect, one which didn't play QB in HS, threw a bunch of INT's and led D-I in fumbles his final year at USC.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, southparkcpa said:

The DATA points clearly at JETS management.  We haven’t drafted and developed a QB in almost 20 years that’s assuming you count Pennington. I don’t.  penny was a mis hit as well. .   this is more about a team that sucks at personnel.   I don’t believe Mahommes succeeds here. you do.  We disagree.  That’s fine.  I’m not saying Darnold is Mahommes.  I’m saying NO QB could survive with the team our GMs have put on the field.  Chris and Woody are beyond stupid.  STUPID is an insult to stupid people.   

It's a collection of things...the Jets have hired the wrong guys..but the guys they have hired have failed at evaluating college prospects. None of these QB's the Jets drafted in the first round panned out anywhere else. 

[kevinc855]

4 hours ago, pdxgreen said:

Media:  "The Jets will be lucky to get a third round pick.  Nobody wants Darnold."

JD:  Gets second, fourth and sixth rounders.

Media:  "We expected a bit more TBH."

Sensationalist/alarmist dickheads.

a 6th rounder!!! Thats a 9 percent chance of making a team....get over yourself

[Ken Schroy]

4 hours ago, Averagejetsfan1421 said:

I'm not fond of the return! 6th and 4th round picks mean nothing, most of our second round picks do nothing.. so we gave Sam away for free 

You should understand it, being an average fan.

[jetstream23]

2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Douglas strength is drafting? I think the book isn't closed on that tale yet. 

The worst thing Carolina could have done for us is include a 4th round pick.  If I'm JD I'd ask them to switch it to a 5th. lol

We are 0 for 3 thus far, although I'm holding out hope.

[jetstream23]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

a 6th rounder!!! Thats a 9 percent chance of making a team....get over yourself

My prediction (you heard it here first).... that 6th will be used on a Kicker.  Similar to JD using it on a Punter last year.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Brady is the most boring QB I’ve watched in 20 years.  I’ll take it.  

No, he's not.  Winning is never boring.  Darnold does nothing exciting AND doesn't win AND turns the ball over constantly AND misses wide open receivers AND is a slow processor AND can't stay healthy.

You're talking about the wrong kind of "boring".  

[Newjetsfan]

 

I guess the trade is good for everyone.  I wanted Sam with better weapons for at least one more year but it is what it is.

I am gonna be here to say, I told you so when Darnold out plays Wilson or Fields down the line...

[southparkcpa]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

It's a collection of things...the Jets have hired the wrong guys..but the guys they have hired have failed at evaluating college prospects. None of these QB's the Jets drafted in the first round panned out anywhere else. 

That is as plausible as my argument.  So I’ll agree. BUT we will never know. I use Flacco as an example.  he would be out of the league in 3 years if drafted by the Jets.