Popular Post rayzor Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 I am a Panthers fan and the Sam Darnold trade broke me Steven Ruiz April 5, 2021 7:52 pm I’ve typed out and erased like five ledes for this blog. The first couple would have either gotten me fired or landed me on some type of FBI watch list. The next few were about how the Panthers have broken me as a fan over the last few years, which nobody actually cares about. And, really, there’s no setup needed here. The Panthers trading second-, fourth- and sixth-round picks to the Jets for Sam Darnold is the setup. And the punchline is the team immediately picking him up his fifth-year option, guaranteeing him about $19 million in salary in 2022. This comes a year after the team gave Teddy Bridgewater $33 million guaranteed and two years after the team used a Day 2 pick on Will Grier, who’s thrown as many NFL touchdowns as you have and four more interceptions. Up next on the conveyor belt of mediocre Cam Newton replacements is Darnold, who was the second-best quarterback on the NFL’s second-worst team. Yay? I mean, I do get the allure of Darnold. He’s young. He’s athletic. He’s got some arm talent. And the Jets did not really give him a chance to succeed. But he was also outplayed by the corpse of Joe Flacco in 2020 and wasn’t very good in even the most ideal situations. The numbers are bad and, outside of a few splash plays, the film isn’t much better. Darnold is still largely the same quarterback he was coming out of USC. The athletic talent is there still there, but so are the questions about his decision-making and accuracy. In other words, he’s a bad quarterback. Beyond all that, the Panthers gave up more than they probably had to for the right to rehabilitate Darnold’s career. According to NFL Media’s Ian Rapaport, the Panthers were the “sole suitor” for Darnold. ESPN’s Rich Cimini says the Jets had pretty much given up on the idea of keeping Darnold around to sit behind the rookie QB they inevitably draft next month. So Carolina was bidding against itself and still ended up sending the equivalent of a late first-round pick to New York for a quarterback who probably would have been available for nothing in the next few weeks. It’s possible the Panthers wanted to get him on the roster before the deadline to pick up a fifth-year option … but that doesn’t really make sense either because if the team offered Darnold an extension that paid him $19 million in 2022, I’d imagine he’d sign it. It just didn’t make any sense for Carolina to rush this move. The draft is just weeks away, and with the Panthers picking eighth, there’s still a decent chance that one of the top QB prospects slips to them at that spot. Why not wait until after the draft to make the move for Darnold? Maybe Carolina considered Darnold a better option than the prospects in this year’s class, but there is very little evidence to back that up. And Darnold is going to cost the team a lot more money if he does end up being the starter for more than two years. We’re now headed into Year 2 of the Matt Rhule era and there still isn’t a clear long-term plan in place. Like Bridgewater before him, Darnold will have a year to prove he’s worth a long-term investment. If/when he doesn’t, and the Panthers end up drafting in a similar spot (just outside of QB range) what’s next? What is the plan? Is there a plan? This team has its fan base caught in this weird loop of mediocrity that really is unique when you look around the league. There is nothing to be excited about in the present. There is nothing to look forward to. There is no reason for hope. If the Bears’ Andy Dalton “QB1” tweet were an NFL franchise, it’d be the Panthers. 6 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pointman Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 I like that guy. I hope he joins us here and becomes a Jets fan. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 I totally understand his pain when it comes to acquiring Sam Darnold to be their starting QB for the next 2 years. But sack up a bit, Panthers fan. You root for an expansion franchise that has been to 2 Super Bowls since 2003. You don't get to call yourself "broken". 22 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, rayzor said: But he was also outplayed by the corpse of Joe Flacco in 2020 and wasn’t very good in even the most ideal situations. Not even remotely realistic. You cannot name a single game where Darnold was ever in the most "ideal situation"..... It just never happened. 4 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Integrity28 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Yeesh. Really on point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 minute ago, JTJet said: Not even remotely realistic. You cannot name a single game where Darnold was ever in the most "ideal situation"..... It just never happened. When Flacco was throwing dimes to Perriman and Mims, Jets fans across JN "couldn't wait" to see Darnold with "these receivers". Then Darnold happened. 7 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 That is a great summation. He laid out all of the prominent anti-Darnold points we’ve made on here for months. And this reaffirms my belief that Douglas fleeced his trade partner, again. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pac Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 This guy makes jetsfanshawn look like Greg Cosell. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, pointman said: I like that guy. I hope he joins us here and becomes a Jets fan. Well since a few Jets fans have a 2nd "favorite" team now maybe we can make a trade. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Hernandez Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 He needed a change of scenery and so did we. Even if we brought in a competent coaching staff finally it wasn't going to work here, it was done. I think the Panthers paid more than I was expecting, but I'm glad he's getting another shot(in the NFC) with a staff who wants him. Good luck Sam. Never talked sh*t or looked for attention as the Jets QB 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 This reminds me of a hockey situation a few years back. My hockey team the Edmonton Oilers had given up on goalie Devan Dubnyk and dealt him to Minny for like a 3rd rounder. The Minny fans were not impressed and a few acted like it was the worst thing in the world for their team who was going no where. Dubnyk proceeded to play out of his mind that year and the next (where he was a vezina finalist) Carolina wanted Watson that disappeared, they wanted one of the QBs this year, too high to trade up. This is well worth the risk for that team imo. I have a feeling more than few people will be eating words by mid way next year. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 I think Panther fans are going to be pleasantly surprised. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larz Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 . But he was also outplayed by the corpse of Joe Flacco in 2020 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: And the Jets were a much worse team than Miami when Tannehill was there. Like Darnold the fins could not get rid of Tannehill quick enough. We will know all about this by the half way point of next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, rayzor said: I am a Panthers fan and the Sam Darnold trade broke me Steven Ruiz April 5, 2021 7:52 pm I’ve typed out and erased like five ledes for this blog. The first couple would have either gotten me fired or landed me on some type of FBI watch list. The next few were about how the Panthers have broken me as a fan over the last few years, which nobody actually cares about. And, really, there’s no setup needed here. The Panthers trading second-, fourth- and sixth-round picks to the Jets for Sam Darnold is the setup. And the punchline is the team immediately picking him up his fifth-year option, guaranteeing him about $19 million in salary in 2022. This comes a year after the team gave Teddy Bridgewater $33 million guaranteed and two years after the team used a Day 2 pick on Will Grier, who’s thrown as many NFL touchdowns as you have and four more interceptions. Up next on the conveyor belt of mediocre Cam Newton replacements is Darnold, who was the second-best quarterback on the NFL’s second-worst team. Yay? I mean, I do get the allure of Darnold. He’s young. He’s athletic. He’s got some arm talent. And the Jets did not really give him a chance to succeed. But he was also outplayed by the corpse of Joe Flacco in 2020 and wasn’t very good in even the most ideal situations. The numbers are bad and, outside of a few splash plays, the film isn’t much better. Darnold is still largely the same quarterback he was coming out of USC. The athletic talent is there still there, but so are the questions about his decision-making and accuracy. In other words, he’s a bad quarterback. Beyond all that, the Panthers gave up more than they probably had to for the right to rehabilitate Darnold’s career. According to NFL Media’s Ian Rapaport, the Panthers were the “sole suitor” for Darnold. ESPN’s Rich Cimini says the Jets had pretty much given up on the idea of keeping Darnold around to sit behind the rookie QB they inevitably draft next month. So Carolina was bidding against itself and still ended up sending the equivalent of a late first-round pick to New York for a quarterback who probably would have been available for nothing in the next few weeks. It’s possible the Panthers wanted to get him on the roster before the deadline to pick up a fifth-year option … but that doesn’t really make sense either because if the team offered Darnold an extension that paid him $19 million in 2022, I’d imagine he’d sign it. It just didn’t make any sense for Carolina to rush this move. The draft is just weeks away, and with the Panthers picking eighth, there’s still a decent chance that one of the top QB prospects slips to them at that spot. Why not wait until after the draft to make the move for Darnold? Maybe Carolina considered Darnold a better option than the prospects in this year’s class, but there is very little evidence to back that up. And Darnold is going to cost the team a lot more money if he does end up being the starter for more than two years. We’re now headed into Year 2 of the Matt Rhule era and there still isn’t a clear long-term plan in place. Like Bridgewater before him, Darnold will have a year to prove he’s worth a long-term investment. If/when he doesn’t, and the Panthers end up drafting in a similar spot (just outside of QB range) what’s next? What is the plan? Is there a plan? This team has its fan base caught in this weird loop of mediocrity that really is unique when you look around the league. There is nothing to be excited about in the present. There is nothing to look forward to. There is no reason for hope. If the Bears’ Andy Dalton “QB1” tweet were an NFL franchise, it’d be the Panthers. Please take an 'internet for idiots' course so you would know how to copy and paste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gangrene Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 It wouldn't be the first quarterback Monson got wrong... 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Sam will play in a SB before Wilson. I hate being a Jets fan. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Hernandez Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: When Flacco was throwing dimes to Perriman and Mims, Jets fans across JN "couldn't wait" to see Darnold with "these receivers". Then Darnold happened. I don't know if he's fixable and I didn't want him in the first place. We ****ed him up though, whatever there was to ruin. He came into the league with a turnover problem. We gave him no line and worse WRs than USC. We're functionally retarded as a franchise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Lets be honest fans really just want a shiny new toy and a QB they think can be the next Patrick Mahomes.... or a lit WR that can get them 20 fantasy points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Gangrene said: It wouldn't be the first quarterback Monson got wrong... Monson hated Sam pre-draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big_Slick said: Sam will play in a SB before Wilson. I hate being a Jets fan. lulz. Darnold will ensure the Jets have another pick in the top 40 in 2022. 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Aaron Hernandez said: I don't know if he's fixable and I didn't want him in the first place. We ****ed him up though, whatever there was to ruin. He came into the league with a turnover problem. We gave him no line and worse WRs than USC. We're functionally retarded as a franchise Yet 35 year old Joe Flacco looked competent with the exact same set of circumstances and Darnold repeatedly sh*t himself on the field. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Darnold is gona break out in year 4 with a real coach and real weapons while Wilson is having his "rookie year" Just another year being a Jets fan. Dont worry Jet nation that 6th rounder will take us to 5 wins instead of 4 maybe 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choon328 Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Darnold is gona break out in year 4 with a real coach and real weapons while Wilson is having his "rookie year" Just another year being a Jets fan. Dont worry Jet nation that 6th rounder will take us to 5 wins instead of 4 maybe Why do you keep ignoring the other picks involved in the trade? Change your tampon already. The bitch fest is annoying as hell. You sound like my 12 year old niece 6 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Hernandez Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yet 35 year old Joe Flacco looked competent with the exact same set of circumstances and Darnold repeatedly sh*t himself on the field. Not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out Flaco was battle tested. Sam I don't think was even legal to drink when we started breaking him. I think he's still younger than Burrows. He was shot here and I'm glad he's gone. Just wishing him the best now that he's in the NFC cause we where the sh*tty parent. I don't know his potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Big_Slick said: Please take an 'internet for idiots' course so you would know how to copy and paste. Sorry if it was difficult to read. Or you could simply ignore my posts next time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aaron Hernandez said: Not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out Flaco was battle tested. Sam I don't think was even legal to drink when we started breaking him. I think he's still younger than Burrows. He was shot here and I'm glad he's gone. Just wishing him the best now that he's in the NFC cause we where the sh*tty parent. I don't know his potential I don't wish him the best at all. At least not next year. I want that 2022 second round pick to turn into # 33 overall. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: When Flacco was throwing dimes to Perriman and Mims, Jets fans across JN "couldn't wait" to see Darnold with "these receivers". Then Darnold happened. Ahh.. got ya. The 2 or 3 hours all season those two played together and made it through the whole game uninjured and combined for 160 yards? While someone named Jakobi Meyers caught 169 for NE from a washed up Cam Newton? That game? Got it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Hopefully Darnold plays bad so Ruiz doesn't look like an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, choon328 said: Why do you keep ignoring the other picks involved in the trade? Change your tampon already. The bitch fest is annoying as hell. You sound like my 12 year old niece What the possible Ahston Davis we may get in the 4th?.........a second who may start in 2023? Color me not impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: But sack up a bit, Panthers fan. You root for an expansion franchise that has been to 2 Super Bowls since 2003. You don't get to call yourself "broken". Most fanbases, even expansion teams, have a higher level of expectations and a lower tolerance for failure than the sad sack Jets do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, Warfish said: Most fanbases, even expansion teams, have a higher level of expectations and a lower tolerance for failure than the sad sack Jets do. You really think most Jets fans don't have high expectations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Hernandez Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: I don't wish him the best at all. At least not next year. I want that 2022 second round pick to turn into # 33 overall. Youre stone cold. I'll take that pick though if he does suck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, Aaron Hernandez said: Youre stone cold. I'll take that pick though if he does suck Never get emotionally attached to any one player. It's pointless. Produce or GTFO. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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