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20 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

From a job security standpoint, this one pushes Douglas's GM-ing/QB-picking assessment a year earlier.

From a job security POV theres plenty of evidence that you need more than a swing and miss at QB to get your butt fired.  

AZ traded picks to move up fro Rosen and a year later move him for a 2nd, use another top pick on another QB and the GM in charge is safe

The Bears trade a whole lot of picks to move up for Trubinski who is eventually traded after passing on Watson and Mahomes and the GM in charge is safe

Eagles trade a lot to move up for Wentz who is eventually traded and the GM in charge is safe

Rams trade a lot to move up for Goff who is eventually traded and the GM in charge is safe

JD will ultimately be judged on his entire body or work.  If the roster is improved and the team is held back only by the QB he drafts, hes not necessarily getting fired.

 

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Sam Darnold final year in college: TD = 26, INT = 13 Zach Wilson final year in college: TD = 33, INT = 3 Stats are fun.

Now show us strength of schedule for the two.  Stats ARE fun, actually.  They can tell us alot, if we're willing to listen. The benefit Wilson will have, we hope, is he won't be playing for eithe

At this stage is doesn't matter what their numbers were in collage. We have to stop comparing the two, Sam is gone and if we keep looking to see who had better stats every week we will only torme

2 hours ago, Gramsci said:
  1. Lack of instincts for the position of quarterback. He looks like a “manufactured QB,” In other words, he looks like a good athlete who was trained and well-coached to be a quarterback. He does not at all look like someone who was born to be a quarterback.

Amazing!

The write up really feels like they put up an evaluation of a completely different player.

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21 hours ago, undertow said:

What worries me is it's not only Wilson vs Darnold going forward its Wilson vs Fields....history says the wrong decision will be made but JD looks like Bam Bam Big Bigelow so I'll take a wait and see approach.

It’s also Wilson vs the 2022 qb class which is significantly better

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21 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I don't know if you're right here. 

From a job security standpoint, this one pushes Douglas's GM-ing/QB-picking assessment a year earlier. That's how it could hurt him. He has to not only pick the right QB from a bunch, but also has to bet Darnold still sucks elsewhere. He's got real risk doing this.

  • Darnold was a top 3 pick saddled with bad coaching and a lower-end supporting cast (that this past year was loaded with injuries, too).
  • Douglas could have easily let it be known the new CS wanted to work with Darnold, and thought they could fix him - as Carolina does now - and then drafts his "own" new QB next year instead.
  • Then this 3 year clock of assessing that Douglas-drafted QB begins in 2022 instead of 2021.

So arguably he'd have one extra mulligan year by doing it that way instead.

That is, unless you think he'd actually get fired after just his second draft, with 3 more fully guaranteed seasons left on his contract, when exactly no one faulted him for not selecting a different QB in the first of his 2 drafts -- if anything, he was faulted for taking one as early as he did last year.

Maccagnan went through the same thing, frankly, until Gase got him fired. He was still able to keep his job until his real shot at a FQB flopped. Even whiffing on Hackenberg, after seeing the Eagles & Rams have SB seasons behind (or mostly behind) the QBs he declined to trade up to get. Still didn't get fired, and he didn't have nearly Douglas's long contract of job security to rest upon.

Mac wasn't picking #2 overall.  Mac was honestly in way over his head and CJ was fooled as he had no frame of reference to know that - it was the perfect storm of ineptitude.  

Passing on a QB #2 overall - when you're current QB has been the worst in the league - is absolutely the type of thing that gets you fired.

This was the much safer move for JD.

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On 4/6/2021 at 8:27 AM, adobolo2 said:

At this stage is doesn't matter what their numbers were in collage.

We have to stop comparing the two, Sam is gone and if we keep looking to see who had better stats every week we will only torment ourselves.

Focus on Wilson and noting else (unless we select fields😂)

I would love to see a collage about this!

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1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Mac wasn't picking #2 overall.  Mac was honestly in way over his head and CJ was fooled as he had no frame of reference to know that - it was the perfect storm of ineptitude.  

Passing on a QB #2 overall - when you're current QB has been the worst in the league - is absolutely the type of thing that gets you fired.

This was the much safer move for JD.

The distinction between #2 and #6 overall is one of perception, depending on the year. He was in a position to grab the 2nd-ranked QB in 2017, and took a safety instead. Never mind he turned down an offer to move up to #1 in 2016 anyway, instead choosing to go with Darron Lee, Christian Hackenberg, extend Mo at $18.5MM/yr for the next 2 years, and bring back Fitzpatrick at $12MM. So there's the other side of trading down (in effect, by not trading up). It can be a great way to amass talent at multiple positions instead of one, but sometimes you just end up with 3-4 nothings. 

The only year where he really didn't have much to do in drafting a QB was 2015, since the cost to move up to #2 was so steep. Of course he also turned down paying a 2nd rounder for Cousins, back when he was cheap, so there's that as well. 

He was franchise poison. Never make excuses for him ever again ;)

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6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The distinction between #2 and #6 overall is one of perception, depending on the year. He was in a position to grab the 2nd-ranked QB in 2017, and took a safety instead. Never mind he turned down an offer to move up to #1 in 2016 anyway, instead choosing to go with Darron Lee, Christian Hackenberg, extend Mo at $18.5MM/yr for the next 2 years, and bring back Fitzpatrick at $12MM. So there's the other side of trading down (in effect, by not trading up). It can be a great way to amass talent at multiple positions instead of one, but sometimes you just end up with 3-4 nothings. 

The only year where he really didn't have much to do in drafting a QB was 2015, since the cost to move up to #2 was so steep. Of course he also turned down paying a 2nd rounder for Cousins, back when he was cheap, so there's that as well. 

He was franchise poison. Never make excuses for him ever again ;)

Yes, I agree mostly with what you're saying.

What I'm saying is the only reason he didn't get fired was because CJ was in charge.  - after it was apparent Hackenburg would never even see the field and Mahomes was going to be a perennial all-pro. CJ was very clearly in way over his head and didn't/doesn't have a grasp on the league and its nuances.

Having no QB and passing on a QB at 2 is absolutely a fireable and WJ is back.   Just because Mac didn't get fired doesn't mean JD wouldn't have.

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7 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Yes, I agree mostly with what you're saying.

What I'm saying is the only reason he didn't get fired was because CJ was in charge.  - after it was apparent Hackenburg would never even see the field and Mahomes was going to be a perennial all-pro. CJ was very clearly in way over his head and didn't/doesn't have a grasp on the league and its nuances.

Having no QB and passing on a QB at 2 is absolutely a fireable and WJ is back.   Just because Mac didn't get fired doesn't mean JD wouldn't have.

I don't know about all this, but that's ok. Keeping Darnold for a 4th season isn't like keeping Geno or Hackenberg for a 4th season just to give it every chance he can. Darnold's got more clout as a QB still with potential. 

Also there's a 0% chance that Douglas would get fired after this year no matter what. He's got 3 more guaranteed seasons/drafts left after this one, and the Jets are willing to give their GMs at least one QB pick to see how it turns out. Never mind everyone in the FO isn't oblivious to the lack of talent on the roster overall, not just at QB. 

He could easily have weathered trading down and rolling with Darnold for one more season. In the end he gets judged on how the team does, not how the QB does. 

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