Popular Post Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Oh now fourth rounders don’t matter anymore? Like defeats you guys getting wood every time Joe gets us another 6 th Right on cue. I'm waiting for GreekGiantsfan to jump in next to fellate Joe Judge. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said: you don't use a 4th on a player that may or may not play. period. 4th rd pick should be for a player that becomes a starter or at the very least on the field as much as possible. Especially when we have so many hoes to fill and backup QB was not one at the time Don’t tell the stupid Colts GM that, he drafted Eason two picks before Morgan was taken even though he signed Rivers and had Brissett as a backup. Now with Rivers retired he traded valuable picks to Philly for Wentz. If only you had posted this earlier, you may have saved him the embarrassment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: I would suggest you look at the success rate with fourth round picks. How many are still in the NFL, much less starting? In any case, Morgan has a had a chance to sit for a year. Let's see where he's at as a backup going forward. The good thing about fourth round picks is that they're actually not expected to be immediate starters. That's usually why they're fourth round picks. Ironically, on a quick search, QB has the lowest success rate at 8%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I'm so glad someone started this thread again. We haven't had one for about 2 days, I was getting worried. He was a 4th round pick, a pick for the future as a developmental QB. If he becomes a good backup, it was a good pick. We don't know yet, because there were zero pre-season games last year and he was never going to play as a rookie with no pre-season experience and Darnold and Flacco ahead of him. JD seems to like him, so let's wait and see what the guy can do in pre-season this year. I'm more concerned about Davis, Zuniga and Clark than I am about Morgan right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Darnold bobblehead still on the nightstand. Throw it in the trash bro. You will make it through this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, MysticalJet2 said: Ironically, on a quick search, QB has the lowest success rate at 8%. As I would gather is the case with most skill positions. Which was my point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Long Island Leprechaun said: As I would gather is the case with most skill positions. Which was my point. Nope do the search. You will see. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 He was an extra fourth rounder we got in a trade. JD didnt draft him to be a starter. If he comes a decent backup it’s a real good selection. Plus NE reportedly wanted him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 It looks bad in hindsight. Douglas didn’t know he would need a new HC, QB and system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Kinda funny this post comes a day after JD says he is still really excited about Morgan and wishes the writers had gotten the chance to see him. It was really the first time we have heard anything about him and it was positive with JD also saying he is OK with them as backups. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I think there is a really good chance Captain Morgan is better then Zachapono. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said: Nope do the search. You will see. If you have done the research why not enlighten us all? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said: Nope do the search. You will see. WR, RB, CB, and QB all sit at around 8-12% re getting 50% playing time. Only exception is TE, which is typically drafted lower. Consider also how few QB's are drafted overall relative to WRs or CBs. That creates numerator inflation statistically. The real question is how JD valued Morgan. If he saw him as a second or third round value that dropped for example, he would pounce. If not, he was seriously rolling the dice, given the likelihood of Morgan beating the odds. On the other hand, aggregating stats over draft seasons is always suspect. One draft is equal to another. Aggregating tends to erase important variations in draft quality overall and by position. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 38 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: lol he didn’t even take a snap in preseason but you wana give him the backup role to a rookie... I love this forum for its pure madness No one took a snap in preseason last year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Long Island Leprechaun said: WR, RB, CB, and QB all sit at around 8-12% re getting 50% playing time. Only exception is TE, which is typically drafted lower. Consider also how few QB's are drafted overall relative to WRs or CBs. That creates numerator inflation statistically. The real question is how JD valued Morgan. If he saw him as a second or third round value that dropped for example, he would pounce. If not, he was seriously rolling the dice, given the likelihood of Morgan beating the odds. On the other hand, aggregating stats over draft seasons is always suspect. One draft is not equal to another. Aggregating tends to erase important variations in draft quality overall and by position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonforPrez Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Backup QB is an important position, particularly when the starting QB is 150 lbs and made of quinoa. I had Quinoa once it's bird food for people that don't like to eat meat . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: WR, RB, CB, and QB all sit at around 8-12% re getting 50% playing time. Only exception is TE, which is typically drafted lower. Consider also how few QB's are drafted overall relative to WRs or CBs. That creates numerator inflation statistically. The real question is how JD valued Morgan. If he saw him as a second or third round value that dropped for example, he would pounce. If not, he was seriously rolling the dice, given the likelihood of Morgan beating the odds. On the other hand, aggregating stats over draft seasons is always suspect. One draft is equal to another. Aggregating tends to erase important variations in draft quality overall and by position. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted April 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2021 Has there ever been more bitching about a 4th round pick in the history of the world? 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, the Claw said: No one took a snap in preseason last year. This is correct 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said: Just reflecting a bit and have to say that this pick was a huge gaff by JD. I know many weren’t happy with this pick at the time, but to come back the next draft and have to pick another QB.. geesh. We wasted a 4th round pick on a backup that may never see the field. This pick alone has me second guessing JD ability to hit picks in the draft. These are so precious (particularly in the top 4 rounds) - especially when rebuilding from the ground up without going bananas in free agency (a la New England). Hope I’m wrong but some of you are way more confident in JD drafting than me. Would you care to list how many QB's taken in the 4th round became full time starters? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, rayzor said: It looks bad in hindsight. Douglas didn’t know he would need a new HC, QB and system. No it was a bad pick at the time and many of us said so. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Backup QB is an important position, particularly when the starting QB is 150 lbs and made of quinoa. Lol, yes. Wilson appears undersized. I'm a Wilson fan and can't deny it would be better if he were bigger. We can only hope he's durable but size doesn't always mean durable. I always thought Sam was a prototypical size and he always seemed to get hurt. Look at Jimmy G as well. I'd throw in Cam but he's a running QB. Those guys will all get hurt eventually. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, The Crusher said: So far? Yes. Yet, typically you give a pick 3 years. Last year was an exceptionally difficult year with limited preseason access. I would like to think that this new staff gets at least two of those playing well enough to contribute and one becomes a solid starter. Hope so! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 55 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Backup QB is an important position, particularly when the starting QB is 150 lbs and made of quinoa. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoJoTownsell1 Posted April 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2021 59 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said: Just reflecting a bit and have to say that this pick was a huge gaff by JD. I know many weren’t happy with this pick at the time, but to come back the next draft and have to pick another QB.. geesh. We wasted a 4th round pick on a backup that may never see the field. This pick alone has me second guessing JD ability to hit picks in the draft. These are so precious (particularly in the top 4 rounds) - especially when rebuilding from the ground up without going bananas in free agency (a la New England). Hope I’m wrong but some of you are way more confident in JD drafting than me. Agreed. We should definitely fire every GM after they miss on one draft pick because we know that other teams usually draft all starters with their draft picks. 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 It was already as stupid as the pick could possibly get when the pick was made last year. Some of us called it then and were downvoted into oblivion by the JD apologists (who happen to be the same ones who were all about Macc's exec of the year 4 years earlier). Bringing it up again now is fine for a message board, but it's not like anything has changed or this really needs to be revisited. It's no more stupid today than it was on draft day. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Has there ever been more bitching about a 4th round pick in the history of the world? Only if you count the people bitching about the bitching! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: This is correct Oh ok good 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, QB1 said: Hope so! #metoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, JetBlue said: No it was a bad pick at the time and many of us said so. It was definitely a head scratcher back then. Just looks worse now because he doesn't fit the system. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, MysticalJet2 said: Just reflecting a bit and have to say that this pick was a huge gaff by JD. I know many weren’t happy with this pick at the time, but to come back the next draft and have to pick another QB.. geesh. We wasted a 4th round pick on a backup that may never see the field. This pick alone has me second guessing JD ability to hit picks in the draft. These are so precious (particularly in the top 4 rounds) - especially when rebuilding from the ground up without going bananas in free agency (a la New England). Hope I’m wrong but some of you are way more confident in JD drafting than me. It truly is a gaff. By the OP. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: It was already as stupid as the pick could possibly get when the pick was made last year. Some of us called it then and were downvoted into oblivion by the JD apologists (who happen to be the same ones who were all about Macc's exec of the year 4 years earlier). Bringing it up again now is fine for a message board, but it's not like anything has changed or this really needs to be revisited. It's no more stupid today than it was on draft day. It just a reflection on last years draft as we head into this years with as much draft capital that we have. A lot here (including me) are banking heavily that JD hits with a majority of the picks to fill all the gaps. Just stuck out even more now about the QB picks. I still don’t pick a backup QB in 4th unless I believe he could be a starter at some point... which is apparent now he isn’t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, MysticalJet2 said: Just reflecting a bit and have to say that this pick was a huge gaff by JD. I know many weren’t happy with this pick at the time, but to come back the next draft and have to pick another QB.. geesh. We wasted a 4th round pick on a backup that may never see the field. This pick alone has me second guessing JD ability to hit picks in the draft. These are so precious (particularly in the top 4 rounds) - especially when rebuilding from the ground up without going bananas in free agency (a la New England). Hope I’m wrong but some of you are way more confident in JD drafting than me. I couldn't disagree with you more. What if Morgan plays very well, and ends up being a very good backup? You know that Zach Wilson can get injured, don't you? Having a quality backup to play one or more games is very critical in the NFL. What if Zach gets injured in the 4th game of the season, and we need Morgan for the rest of the year? If Morgan turns out to be a good player, then the Jets made a GREAT move getting him in the 4th round of last year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 the morgan pick was all part of the master plan joe will trade the second pick for a huge haul of draft picks and then Morgan is our QB1 and the next Tom Brady(did you know Brady was not drafted even this early? It is a little known fact and it appears Joe D knew through his detailed research and he drafted Morgan He is so good that he didnt want him to take the field last year-you never let your opponents see your secret weapon until the last minute and then they are clueless how to respond 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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