JetBlue Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, football guy said: This is why I traditionally write more nuanced posts lol... The internal debate is not Moore vs. Toney. It's fundamental talent evaluation. Joe Douglas starts from the ground up. Foot-speed is one of his one of the most important factors in the evaluation. From there a bunch of other things are considered, but it's not to say that he won't "like" a player whose on the smaller side, rather, he'll shy away from players perceived to be risks. Unlike Macc, he's not a "BPA" type. He's going to draft players at positions of need, but he'll prioritize premium positions first (OT/DE). For WRs, he's not big on drafting them early unless they're a HWS guy with the ability to develop into a complete, explosive WR. He has a "type", and that type is 6'2"-6'3", 215. That doesn't mean he has threshold cutoffs like some other teams do, but he's less likely to invest a higher draft pick in some of the players that are less traditionally sized. For example, RB Donnell Pumphrey was a Joe Douglas pick. He wanted the player. Pumphrey was a 5'7", 170 lb. RB. But he played tough and had the baseline qualities Douglas looks for (fast feet, play strength, competitiveness, and speed). That said, Joe wasn't taking Pumphrey in round 1 or 2 regardless if he was touted as the next great RB... it's just not how he does business. Lack of size, warranted or not, is a risk, and he will try to mitigate as many risks as possible when selecting someone early. The coaching staff sees things differently. Enter Jaylen Waddle, Kadarius Toney, and Ronalde Moore. Mike LaFleur and Miles Austin have privately gushed over these guys. There are plenty of personnel people who think highly of them as well. Some in the organization want the team to trade up for Waddle, others want Toney as a fallback, and then there's a group who are extremely pro-Moore (Joe included). However, just because you like a player does not mean you're prepared to invest premier assets in said player. Joe being Joe, I don't think he'll even consider drafting Moore anytime before the 3rd round because of his size limitations. If he did, that would mean he's throwing a massive bone to the coaching staff, who don't care about how tall he is. Great post, all I will say regarding Joes preference for size in WR, is he already has 3-4 receivers that meet those requirements. What we DON'T have is a weapon like Moore. I know he is shorter than Tyreek Hill and Hill was not a first rounder, but when you look at the impact he has on the KC offense, that is the reason you consider taking a guy like him in the first round. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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