Jump to content

Justin Fields 2nd Pro Day - April 14th


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 213
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Can we all admit that we have zero clue who will be better between Wilson and Fields? They’re both very talented but flawed prospects. I’ll be happy with either. The insane tribalism between the two c

He had two injuries in a 6 game season last year, playing behind an NFL OL taking hits from college kids 

If we have to go QB at2 now how are we not taking Fields?  Look I’ve been very critical of the guy and I still have those criticisms but he is a better prospect than Wilson

Posted Images

1 minute ago, legler82 said:

I’m not in the business of making excuses for guys getting paid millions to do their jobs.  If there is no projecting involved, then there’s no need for scouting. Just draft what you see. 

Ok then practice what you preach. Go watch the tape and try to say that Justin Fields is better at playing QB than Zach Wilson. It's not very close. Wilson does everything better than Fields. Everything. The only arguments anyone can chalk up against him is size/frame and level of competition. Otherwise, virtually every evaluation category Wilson is superior. 

  • Upvote 1
  • Thumb Down 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Zach Wilson is going to end up being a prime example of sports media group think gone wrong

Problem with that statement is outside of some prominent names, most sports media still have Fields over Wilson. It is actually the NFL teams that are pushing up Wilson

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, legler82 said:

Trubisky was #1 & 2 on everyone’s board too.

Except he wasnt'.  Lot of people were leery of his limited success and playing time at NC.

There were more than enough who favored Watson over Trubisky.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

heard an interview with the BYU head coach and he said Zach will call like at midnight to ask about film or formations and just want to talk Football..

 

1 hour ago, football guy said:

It prob helps that Zach Wilson is prescribed adderall lol (not a knock/endorsement, just an observation) 

Drunk Saturday Night Live GIF by The Lonely Island

  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, football guy said:

Ok then practice what you preach. Go watch the tape and try to say that Justin Fields is better at playing QB than Zach Wilson. It's not very close. Wilson does everything better than Fields. Everything. The only arguments anyone can chalk up against him is size/frame and level of competition. Otherwise, virtually every evaluation category Wilson is superior. 

It’s a matter of approach.  I always bank on potential/upside.  Hence why by top QB prospects in recent history have been Carr, Mariota, Wentz, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert & now Fields.  I’m not interested in having the best QB on week 1.  I want the potential best one period.  There’s risks in that for sure no draft prospect is not w/o risk.  Ain’t nothing worst than taking the consensus/“safer” choice and it ending up blowing up in your face anyway.  I feel if you are confident in your coaching staff and not on the hot seat, Fields is the obvious choice.  

  • Upvote 1
  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Problem with that statement is outside of some prominent names, most sports media still have Fields over Wilson. It is actually the NFL teams that are pushing up Wilson

Correct. Put on ESPN. Outside of a select few, the analysts and commentators are regurgitating this in unison: 

image.png.fa5e6a40cf229578560c6471ad06c4c6.png

I can't stand the buffoonery any longer. 

  • Upvote 2
  • Thumb Down 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Except he wasnt'.  Lot of people were leery of his limited success and playing time.

There were more than enough who favored Watson over Trubisky.

Why did they favor Watson? Were they conscientious of his own flaws vs. Trubiskey's or was it due to hot take, overly emotional narratives? I'd argue many were the later. 

Good talent evaluators were leary of Trubisky due to flaws in his game. Those who scream "I told you so" were simply astounded that he got drafted over Watson, who was decorated. Watson obviously turned out to be a great player, but being decorated/popular in college does not necessarily mean that player will develop into a successful pro. 

  • Thumb Down 1
  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, legler82 said:

It’s a matter of approach.  I always bank on potential/upside.  Hence why by top QB prospects in recent history have been Carr, Mariota, Wentz, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert & now Fields.  I’m not interested in having the best QB on week 1.  I want the potential best one period.  There’s risks in that for sure no draft prospect is not w/o risk.  Ain’t nothing worst than taking the consensus/“safer” choice and it ending up blowing up in your face anyway.  I feel if you are confident in your coaching staff and not on the hot seat, Fields is the obvious choice.  

Is anyone saying that about Wilson? A lower ceiling?

From everything I can tell - the true professionals (not media noise) say Wilson's skill-set overall far exceeds Fields.  And if anything Wilson is the riskier pick with Mahomes/Rodgers upside.

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Problem with that statement is outside of some prominent names, most sports media still have Fields over Wilson. It is actually the NFL teams that are pushing up Wilson

There seem to be a lot of Fields fans among former players when I watch draft shows across all the sports networks.  I guess there’s a divide among players & “evaluators/draft experts”. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, legler82 said:

It’s a matter of approach.  I always bank on potential/upside.  Hence why by top QB prospects in recent history have been Carr, Mariota, Wentz, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert & now Fields.  I’m not interested in having the best QB on week 1.  I want the potential best one period.  There’s risks in that for sure no draft prospect is not w/o risk.  Ain’t nothing worst than taking the consensus/“safer” choice and it ending up blowing up in your face anyway.  I feel if you are confident in your coaching staff and not on the hot seat, Fields is the obvious choice.  

How can you watch Wilson and think he has less talent/upside than Fields? Please don't cite running a fast 40... 

I agree that Fields should be considered for the 49ers over Mac Jones but this narrative that he's more talented than Wilson is insane (I'm not calling you insane, just the argument that Fields is more talented). 

  • Thumb Down 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Is anyone saying that about Wilson? A lower ceiling?

From everything I can tell - the true professionals (not media noise) say Wilson's skill-set overall far exceeds Fields.  And if anything Wilson is the riskier pick with Mahomes/Rodgers upside.

FAR exceeds. I would argue that Wilson's ceiling far exceeds any QB in this class, including Lawrence. I believe Greg Cosell and Gil Brandt are the latest to publicize the exact same sentiment as well. 

  • Upvote 1
  • Thumb Down 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Is anyone saying that about Wilson? A lower ceiling?

From everything I can tell - the true professionals (not media noise) say Wilson's skill-set overall far exceeds Fields.  And if anything Wilson is the riskier pick with Mahomes/Rodgers upside.

I am saying Fields has the higher ceiling.  I don’t care if it goes against what the “experts” say.   I haven’t agreed w/ the consensus #1 and/or 2 QBs for like 7 straight years. 

  • Haha 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, football guy said:

FAR exceeds. I would argue that Wilson's ceiling far exceeds any QB in this class, including Lawrence. I believe Greg Cosell and Gil Brandt are the latest to publicize the exact same sentiment as well. 

That’s the beauty of opinions we all have them and they don’t have to agree.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, legler82 said:

There seem to be a lot of Fields fans among former players when I watch draft shows across all the sports networks.  I guess there’s a divide among players & “evaluators/draft experts”. 

I think a lot of ex-players are doing pro-Fields takes because they think Fields is being slighted because he’s black, and they believe Mahomes, Lamar, and Watson were similarly slighted in their respective draft classes. 

  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think a lot of ex-players are doing pro-Fields takes because they think Fields is being slighted because he’s black, and they believe Mahomes, Lamar, and Watson were similarly slighted in their respective draft classes. 

Unfortunately. I think this is pretty accurate. Experienced athletic black QB being slighted for a white QB who just came on to the scene. 

  • Upvote 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, football guy said:

How can you watch Wilson and think he has less talent/upside than Fields? Please don't cite running a fast 40... 

I agree that Fields should be considered for the 49ers over Mac Jones but this narrative that he's more talented than Wilson is insane (I'm not calling you insane, just the argument that Fields is more talented). 

I can do it quite easily.  How you are going to tell what not to value?  I value among other things his arm strength, size, athleticism, accuracy, leadership, toughness, battle tested-ness, his aptitude to learn the parts of the position that can be thought...etc....etc.  Others value other things.

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, legler82 said:

I can do it quite easily.  How you are going to tell what not to value?  I value among other things his arm strength, size, athleticism, accuracy, leadership, toughness, battle tested-ness, his aptitude to learn the parts of the position that can be thought...etc....etc.  Others value other things.

Yea like the ability to you know, throw the football

  • Thumb Down 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Unfortunately. I think this is pretty accurate. Experienced athletic black QB being slighted for a white QB who just came on to the scene. 

It hasn’t been across racial lines.  White and black former “established” players from my vantage point seem to prefer Fields.  It could be a product of Fields being more on the national scene for a longer period of time.  Anyway time will ultimately resolve this debate.  I’m confident on the side I’m on.

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

The only disconnect I have with the Jets are 100% taking Wilson narrative is that everyone knows SF loves Wilson, SF has connections with the Jets decision makers, and yet SF trades the farm for the #3 pick. While it’s certainly possible they like Lance or Fields or Jones...something doesn’t quite add up.

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Unfortunately. I think this is pretty accurate. Experienced athletic black QB being slighted for a white QB who just came on to the scene. 

I think it's very dangerous to essentially call NFL GM's racist for choosing a QB they believe to be better for their teams.  Certainly Kyler Murray was taken early.  Many have Trey Lance ahead of Fields.  

I mean look around the league at the best QB's.  You can call just about all of them "slighted" for not being the first QB drafted in their class - many of whom are white. 

The reality is the GM's really haven't been very good at selecting the best QB's #1, or in this case #2 overall.

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think a lot of ex-players are doing pro-Fields takes because they think Fields is being slighted because he’s black, and they believe Mahomes, Lamar, and Watson were similarly slighted in their respective draft classes. 

I disagree.  There’s a clear distinction between the players feeling he is being slighted for whatever reason(s) and players feeling he is the 1st or 2nd best QB in the class.  Those 2 takes are not one in the same.  There are folks that feel he is being unfairly scrutinized and still have him ranked 3rd or lower. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, shuler82 said:

The only disconnect I have with the Jets are 100% taking Wilson narrative is that everyone knows SF loves Wilson, SF has connections with the Jets decision makers, and yet SF trades the farm for the #3 pick. While it’s certainly possible they like Lance or Fields or Jones...something doesn’t quite add up.

You think the Jets are just going to give Wilson to the 49ers? We are copying the 49ers offense, why wouldn’t we want the same QB they crave?

Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, legler82 said:

I think every draftable QB and even beyond passes that threshold.

So does every MLB pitcher, but do they all have the same stuff?

Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Is anyone saying that about Wilson? A lower ceiling?

From everything I can tell - the true professionals (not media noise) say Wilson's skill-set overall far exceeds Fields.  And if anything Wilson is the riskier pick with Mahomes/Rodgers upside.

Who are these true professionals?

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, legler82 said:

Who are these true professionals?

GM's around the league.  I'm not going to pull up links for you - you can do that yourself but it's not very hard to find.  Just go to Google.

Look, if you want to believe Fields is the better prospect I'm not going to even attempt to change your mind.

But it's not hard to find that the overwhelming professionals in the space have Zach Wilson as the #1 or #2 QB in the draft.  

But just for starters I'll give you this one..

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
52 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Except he wasnt'.  Lot of people were leery of his limited success and playing time at NC.

There were more than enough who favored Watson over Trubisky.

There were exceptions but he was the consensus top QB.  Let’s not rewrite history.

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, legler82 said:

Who are these true professionals?

Our GM and head coach for 1

There was a poll of 23  GMs thst all had TL/Wilson 1/2

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, legler82 said:

There were exceptions but he was the consensus top QB.  Let’s not rewrite history.

What? I remember everyone on earth WTFing the bears for trading up 1 spot to secure a QB that nobody wanted. Fact of the matter is that QB class was considered bad at the time 

  • Thumb Down 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, QB1 said:

What? I remember everyone on earth WTFing the bears for trading up 1 spot to secure a QB that nobody wanted. Fact of the matter is that QB class was considered bad at the time 

You are conflating the dumb trade with Trubisky being the consensus top QB and the fact that the “experts” (air quotes)  thought it was a weak class.

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Paradis said:

No it’s not. You’re full of sh*t on this topic. And it’s really disappointing. You can 100000 words if you want. doesn’t matter. 

All of these QB prospects are flawed. I’m not attached to any of em.  
 

 

You need to take a break from this my man. I seen you complaining in another thread that posters were trying to silence any talk of taking Fields and now you’re telling anyone who doesn’t rate him to “take this trash outside”. Pretty hypocritical, but not surprising.

I know you know your stuff on college football but your intolerance of any opinion thay goes against your own is just absolutely  embarrassing. 

Literally everything I’ve posted about Fields can be backed up with stats. He is statistically worse than the others under pressure, I am not making that up no matter how much you yell it out. He does hold the ball half a second longer than Wilson on average, despite the fact that people claim the latter only succeeded because of his protection. He does hold onto the ball longer when blitzed. A fact. All verifiable. I‘ll link you to them if you persist with these nonsensical dismissals.

If you want to put your fingers in your ears to any criticism while laughably maintaining you don’t especially care then go ahead, you be you. It’s pretty sad to be honest. 

  • Upvote 2
  • Thumb Down 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Maxman locked this topic
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.



×
×
  • Create New...