Don't you wish you had more legitimate complaints about Joe Douglas?

[jeremy2020]

51 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’ve been in a seething rage since we drafted James Morgan (over that great nickel corner whose name I can’t spell on the Rams!!) my wife left me over it

I was wondering what happened to @SAR I 

[slats]

10 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Sure - having a good defense can help a QB but not as much as having a good OL, RB, TE or WR's...

Two other things to consider..

Defense was supported better in FA to date

Defense already and still has more talent than the offense.  You can probably go offense at 23 and 34 and the defense will still have the better roster.

The idea of taking a RB or TE when there's an Edge or CB they like as much or better turns my stomach. If JD feels one of those defensive positions is too much value to pass up at #23 or #34, I'm completely and totally fine with that. If he spends both of those picks on defense, I'll be less fine. I really like the idea of getting an OT with one of those picks who plays guard this year and takes over for Fant next. 

You can find starting TEs, RBs, and Gs in the middle rounds virtually every year. I'd like to see a couple of his mid/late picks from last year show something under the new staff, and for him to keep filling the queue with developmental talent in this year's draft. 

[bitonti]

19 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

nope

best GM we have had in YEARS.

We treat him like this 

The reality is that his roster won 2 games last year 

[FidelioJet]

6 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

 

 

Hahahahaha cmon man, don't be ridiculous.

If he picks a defensive player with any of the first 3 picks he doesn't understand football and will never be a good GM.

Wow....that's a bit of an all or nothing take on it.

Sent from the NY Jets Draft Suicide Watch desk.
 

 

Nope.  It would clearly mean, to me, that he doesn't understand the NFL.  Just like Mac didn't understand the NFL.  You can be involved in something your entire life, rise to the level of an NFL franchise GM and not understand how to do your job well. 

I think our last two GM's have clearly proven that to be correct.

Taking defense after what this team has just been through - and taking a QB at #2 overall.  Will be a clear indication, to me, that he's in over his head.

[FidelioJet]

8 minutes ago, slats said:

The idea of taking a RB or TE when there's an Edge or CB they like as much or better turns my stomach. If JD feels one of those defensive positions is too much value to pass up at #23 or #34, I'm completely and totally fine with that. If he spends both of those picks on defense, I'll be less fine. I really like the idea of getting an OT with one of those picks who plays guard this year and takes over for Fant next. 

You can find starting TEs, RBs, and Gs in the middle rounds virtually every year. I'd like to see a couple of his mid/late picks from last year show something under the new staff, and for him to keep filling the queue with developmental talent in this year's draft. 

I get it, I really do but If there's such a can't miss defensive prospect there - that he can't refuse - because it's too good value.

Then trade down.  They'll certainly be a market for such a valuable asset.  There are always RB's, TE, C, Guards and WR's, worthy of being first round picks - the value will be there.  RB's and TE's help an offense too

Take the BOPA - that should be the plan at 23 and 34.

[rex-n-effect]

He was mad when I tried to talk to his kid and got me fired.

[bitonti]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

 

Take the BOPA - that should be the plan at 23 and 34.

You're right that's what they should do 

What they will do is draft edge, olb and other defense because switching to a 4-3 is ridiculous and they lack starters at several spots 

Put it another way, JD thinks Fant is great and feeney is a funny mullet dude. He doesn't see these as problems 

Outside linebacker is a huge damn problem. They literally don't have a will or Sam on the roster. There's no other er besides Lawson and teams need 2. Cb is a wasteland 

All of these problems are more dire in jds mind than building an offense

He's going to draft Zach wilson and ask the kid to be the offense 

[slats]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I get it, I really do but If there's such a can't miss defensive prospect there - that he can't refuse - because it's too good value.

Then trade down.  They'll certainly be a market for such a valuable asset.  There are always RB's, TE, C, Guards and WR's, worthy of being first round picks - the value will be there.  RB's and TE's help an offense too

Take the BOPA - that should be the plan at 23 and 34.

Premium position with premium picks, especially as you're still rebuilding. 

QB (check!), OT, WR, Edge, CB

He really shouldn't be looking at any other positions that high. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

6 hours ago, southtown24th said:

nope

best GM we have had in YEARS.

Having one bout of diarrhea is better than having two or three bouts of diarrhea. I'm a pro-JD guy but he's not exactly replacing Carmen Policy. 

[FidelioJet]

3 minutes ago, slats said:

Premium position with premium picks, especially as you're still rebuilding. 

QB (check!), OT, WR, Edge, CB

He really shouldn't be looking at any other positions that high. 

I don't see anything on defense anymore as premium other than an edge rusher, getting pressure on the QB is the only way to stop an offense in todays league. - and we just paid one that I keep hearing is "elite" 

We have a DT that was taken at #3 overall - that I keep hearing is going to be the next Aaron Donald. 

and we have a $25mm a year ILB coming back...The defense has enough premium players.  

How many more resources do we need to put on the pass rush? When we have, literally, the least talented offense in the entire NFL.

I'm sorry but the "premium" rule book has be throw out the window when you're taking a QB at #2 overall and have the least talented supporting cast for him in the league.  It would be the height of incompetence to take anything but offense at 23 and 34.

It's time, for once, to support our QB with everything we have.

I am sorry, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

 

[Creepy Lurker]

46 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

JD has said from Day 1 what he's about, and that is building the team from the trenches out via the draft.  If he hits on his picks, he'll be a living legend.  If he doesn't within a year or two, @Creepy Lurker will start another epic 200 page thread to have him fired...

I approve of this message. The current fire Joe Douglas thread is premature. Only I can decide when it’s ok to fire the GM. My ex-captain status grants me those powers. 

[kmnj]

captain of a two win team -so far that is all he has accomplished-team is worse now then when he got the job-if he gets us to 12 wins and the AFC championship like Parcells I will crown him until then his only accomplishments are "hope"

parcells year two -afc championship

parcells was handed a team that was 4-28 under kotite

 

 

[legler82]

My only complaint is that I wish we had Joe Douglas earlier.

[Ian Fleming]

I heard he took food to the bathroom once.

[SackExchangeNYJ]

The problem is, Jets fans being Jets fans, he will have roughly 20 minutes to make the team great before the banners and billboards come out. Wilson's first incompletion in a preseason game will resurrect "Joe Must Go."

[kevinc855]

I want nothing more then JD to nail this draft. Why? Because I want Jet wins.

I think our gripes has been based off results, which when it comes to wins, there is none to show for. This year will be a huge year for the organization as a whole.

 

[Rob Moore]

My only( but extremity legit)  complaint is that Joe Douglas doesn’t post classy things on social media.

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, slats said:

No more, "why couldn't he convince Joe Thuney to sign with the 2-14 Jets over the back-to-back AFC champs?" 

Or, "remember that time he took a backup QB with the second of three fourth rounders? I'm still not over that!" 

Or, "I can't believe he's signing guys who might not even make the final roster. Why doesn't he sign eighty-five starters?" 

Don't worry, kids, your time is coming! 

With this draft, the Jets will be cemented as Joe Douglas' team, for better or worse. He's got his hand-picked head coach. And not just the only coach who would take his calls, but a highly sought after head coaching candidate. In a few weeks, he'll have his shiny new hand-picked QB as well. Imagine? No longer having to bitch about a QB taken at #125 because now you can bitch about one taken #2 overall! How much fun is that going to be?!?

Depending on any draft picks trades, over two years he will have added three first round picks, two seconds, four thirds and four fourths. Three years worth of top half picks over the course of two. His free agents, too, on his terms. 

The team was dog **** when he stepped into the building in June of 2019. He cut Maccagnan's second pick that year before the season. He dug up the grave of Ryan Kalil because he recognized that the OL was in terrible shape. But coming in after the prime free agency period and the draft, there was little he could do but self-scout and the results have been a significant purge and rebuild in pretty short order.

Everything isn't going to be fixed in this draft, but a lot of things should be in place by the time it's done. We talk about the endless rebuild here but if Joe Douglas does his job well in the draft, we shouldn't be talking about the rebuild continuing next offseason. We should be talking about filling the last few holes, and maybe someone like me who hates taking RBs too early can start entertaining that idea next year when they have two firsts and two seconds to spend. No one should be expecting playoffs this year, but we should expect a team that looks competent and competitive with far fewer holes than they had in June of 2019. A team poised to get back into the post-season. 

And you guys will have things far more substantial to talk about other than who they're talking to about their backup QB spot. Should be fun! 

Nope, I can wait. 

[CanadaSteve]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I didn't say he needs to take a guard.  I said he needs to not take defense.

Any player on the offensive side of the ball will be fine.  Taking defense will tell me that Joe Douglas fundamentally does not understand the NFL and is highly unlikely to ever be a good GM.

That's based on what the team looks like now.  Maybe he trades for two starting caliber linemen, a RB, a TE and WR before the draft...no problem if he goes defense, but barring that - offense needs to be the pick at 23 and 34.

And again....why?

If a guy like Kwity Paye falls in the draft and we have to take offense.

No way.

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

The real way to develop a player like Zach wilson is to build a program before he arrives... Maybe let him sit a year 

What the Jets are going to do is throw him to the wolves and at some point we will be here on Max's board wondering what happened to Zach Wilson 

3 years. Book it. 

[freestater]

[GreenFish]

With the 2nd pick in the 2021 NFL Draft,

The New Yawk Jets select

Mac Jones, QB Alabama.

Get the fire Douglas banners ready.

[Embrace the Suck]

2 hours ago, CanadaSteve said:

So, you mean to tell me that it is better to take a guard at #23, even though this draft is deep with OL, if Kwity Paye fell somehow to 23?  

Not sure, does he project as a convert to TE?

[undertow]

The Joe Douglas ball washing has reached epic proportions.  You sycophants take every football disagreement as a attack on your new hero....so much projection.

[Wonderboy]

2 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Improvement.

Gase went 7-9 before ultimately sinking. That 7-9 season was a total illusion. They stunk big time. Easy schedule and really didn’t play.  My hope is they show progress in their overall competitiveness.  Last year the Chargers lost several games by a few points. Their offense rocked under Herbert.  That’s what I’m hoping for.  An offense that can score points and a team that plays hard and is no pushover. Wins in time will come.  Good teams find a way to win. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

1 hour ago, Ian Fleming said:

I heard he took food to the bathroom once.

I once bought a plate of sliders for my friend at a bar. He took them into the bathroom stall. People booed him. They actually booed him. 

[Embrace the Suck]

1 hour ago, Ian Fleming said:

I heard he took food to the bathroom once.

 

[Embrace the Suck]

5 minutes ago, undertow said:

The Joe Douglas ball washing has reached epic proportions.  You sycophants take every football disagreement as a attack on your new hero....so much projection.

Enjoy your new team.

[undertow]

1 minute ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Enjoy your new team.

[flgreen]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I’ve been in a seething rage since we drafted James Morgan (over that great nickel corner whose name I can’t spell on the Rams!!) my wife left me over it

 

He'll be back once Joe takes Wilson.

 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

If it takes defense at 23 or 34 they'll be plenty to complain about. 

This is just wrong-headed. Who is picked at either depends on how the draft falls. Only an idiot would take a reach to fill a need with a valuable pick. Let's see what he does overall. If he gives priority to the offense, I'll be happy. But you can't ignore the defensive holes and form a winning team. 

[Mike135]

JD pulled off a good trade with Jamal.  He also drafted Becton.

That's about all the good he's done so far.

Now for the negatives...  he failed miserably to build a solid oline last year.  No one expected to go from worst to average at the oline in one offseason, but he went from worst to worst.  

Yes PFF has the 2020 Jets oline at 29th (yippee!), but they were the worst in pass protection.

He also somehow managed to downgrade our WR corps last year.

Effectively he wasted Sam's 3rd year, and now he reportedly had lost faith in Sam.  So we now need to use our 2nd overall pick on a QB, instead of getting a haul in return for trading it.

JD is on shakey ground imo.

Hey, if things turn around this season, then he's on track to be a good one.  But I'm grading him at a C- so far.

[David Harris]

It appears to me that Joe Douglas will be the best GM we've ever had.  Yup, we won 2 games and just traded away our savior Sam Darnold after ruining him, yup we let Robby Anderson walk for nothing, whatever, this thing had to be stripped down to it's foundation and that process is almost complete but won't be until we get rid of the $16 million dead cap still left over from Mac - holy sh*t I can't believe we still have $16 mill dead cap this year!  That's another elite player or at least 2 very good players worth of cap room we'll have next off season.  It will take another year to get rid of CJ Mosely's crazy contract, we can cut him after 2022 for 3 mill dead cap hit.  So really it will be 2023 until this team is fully Joe Douglas's with every roster spot and every cap dollar being his.

We have a really healthy cap after this year.  Not a single overpriced aging veteran outside of Mosely (again Mac's fault).  

We will have a rookie contract QB with unlimited upside.

Tons of draft capital to support the rookie and build this team out.  Don't expect 2021 to be great, there are too many holes to fill in one off season and we have what I think will be an awesome new HC and offensive system that will need a little seasoning.

The cap is going to go up significantly after 2022.  We will retain our pillars of QW and Mekhi Becton and continue to add more.

We will be able to sign FA's with our healthy cap and a QB on a rookie deal.

The culture will change.  The SOJF's will wash off the soul grime we've been bathing in for 50 years.  

The practice facility is top notch.  New cutting edge medical staff.  Owner's stepping back.  JD stepping in with a clear plan.  New energetic, inspirational, and smart HC who is young and hungry.  New OC who is versed in the Shanahan system who also happens to be brothers with a great offensive mind.  The front office is built out with experienced and successful guys.  All of our position coaches are of the same mind, capable and going to be all gas, no brakes.

I really think the Jets are at a pivoting to respectability.  I think we are on the path to becoming a well respected, well run organization similar to the Ravens and Steelers. It's not going to all happen in 2021 but I think we are on the road to it.

[nycdan]

3 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I didn't say he needs to take a guard.  I said he needs to not take defense.

Any player on the offensive side of the ball will be fine.  Taking defense will tell me that Joe Douglas fundamentally does not understand the NFL and is highly unlikely to ever be a good GM.

That's based on what the team looks like now.  Maybe he trades for two starting caliber linemen, a RB, a TE and WR before the draft...no problem if he goes defense, but barring that - offense needs to be the pick at 23 and 34.

Just to be clear here.

Joe Douglas does something you personally disagree with and your take on it is *he* is the one who doesn't understand the NFL.

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

We treat him like this 

The reality is that his roster won 2 games last year 

2 more than I thought than I thought we would.