Smashmouth Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Only good NFL QBs are capable QBCs. OK, since when has this been reality? Andy Reid worked relentlessly with Mahomes. Surely we all remember that year when Reid threw 45 TDs. Or am I thinking of an afternoon when he hate 45 hamburgers? why hate on the hamburger ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Maybe Darnold could be the next Fitzmagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Maybe Darnold could be the next Fitzmagic Hopes that defenders drop 20 passes he throws right at them, on top of the pick a game they didn’t? Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 11 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: Imagine both Sam Darnold (Panthers) and Leonard Williams (Giants) earning a trip to the Pro Bowl next season. Indeed. Can see him beating out one of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Russell Wilson in the NFC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamathToCaster Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Sam is going to pull the same crap he did in NY. Always an excuse and always next time will be better. Let the Carolina coaching staff deal with him now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted April 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2021 11 hours ago, bitonti said: The panthers see exercising the 5th year option as a low cost bet The Jets see that as a terrible, onerous expense and have to reset the qb clock for financial reasons I get that Sam needs a new start (with his old favorite receiver and an old Gailey system) but That's the difference between a franchise that tries and one that just keeps the lights on. David Tepper is the wealthiest owner in football. Woody opens up the check book once a year and moths fly out I'm old enough to remember when you said that keeping Darnold was the cheapest option (only 5M) next year, so that's what the Jets would do. That a rookie QB plus Darnold's dead money and trading for Watson were the expensive options, so what the Jets would not do. It's almost like you have a conclusion, and then backfill the narrative to get there. Oh, and here's a post where you advocate for the Jets passing on Sam Darnold's option, after correctly predicting a trade via a 2nd round pick: On 12/21/2020 at 3:03 PM, bitonti said: The reality of Sam Darnold contract is 10 mil year 4 with no cap relief for a trade or cut. Unless jd gets a 2nd Rd pick, darnold will likely be here for 1 more. Even if he holds a clipboard That year 5 option they have to make a decision on may 3... They should pass on it And here's how strongly you felt about Sam Darnold at the end of this season: On 12/8/2020 at 3:55 PM, bitonti said: Every defensive player that looks at the schedule and sees Sam Darnold gets dollar signs in their eyes. Every single one. They drool in anticipation of the turnovers. Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app In sum, give it a rest. It's disingenuous at best. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: These lunatics should just go cry into their life-sized Darnold pillows already. The tears shed over the 36th ranked QB with a net worth of about $30M are absolutely pathetic. exactly. lets root for sam so Peter King, Mark Schlerth and the rest of the media talking heads got something else to make fun of us. i wonder how many tears were cried for Mark Sanchez who ACTUALLY did something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Hernandez Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: Hopes that defenders drop 20 passes he throws right at them, on top of the pick a game they didn’t? Good luck! Honestly he may suck, but we did him no favors. He never blaimed us when Herndon or the rest of our third rates WRs where dropping sh*t. We knew he had a turnover problem to start and surrounded him with the Jets. Just be glad we got what we got(on picks) and hope we don't destroy the next prospect. Hard to talk sh*t about a guy who kept his head down under Gase and Bowles without complaining it was somebody else's fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smashmouth Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Hopes that defenders drop 20 passes he throws right at them, on top of the pick a game they didn’t? Good luck! It was a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 USC QB's are trash in the NFL. Fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Aaron Hernandez said: Hard to talk sh*t about a guy who kept his head down under Gase and Bowles without complaining it was somebody else's fault We have this salesman at my job who is pretty bad. Low sales numbers, doesn't understand our product, etc. Hey, he doesn't say much or ever complain about anyone else who doesn't do their job though. Same thing you want from your franchise QB. Just be quiet over in the corner and ignore all the guys not doing their job on offense. Heaven forbid someone offend Perriman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 6 hours ago, TeddEY said: I'm old enough to remember when you said that keeping Darnold was the cheapest option (only 5M) next year, so that's what the Jets would do. That a rookie QB plus Darnold's dead money and trading for Watson were the expensive options, so what the Jets would not do. It's almost like you have a conclusion, and then backfill the narrative to get there. Oh, and here's a post where you advocate for the Jets passing on Sam Darnold's option, after correctly predicting a trade via a 2nd round pick: And here's how strongly you felt about Sam Darnold at the end of this season: In sum, give it a rest. It's disingenuous at best. In sum the team is like 25 million under the cap for no reason As usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, bitonti said: In sum the team is like 25 million under the cap for no reason As usual And yet, they were sixth highest in FA spending. Seems like something you forgot to mention. Is that because it doesn’t fit your conclusion-first point of view? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Aaron Hernandez said: Honestly he may suck, but we did him no favors. He never blaimed us when Herndon or the rest of our third rates WRs where dropping sh*t. We knew he had a turnover problem to start and surrounded him with the Jets. Just be glad we got what we got(on picks) and hope we don't destroy the next prospect. Hard to talk sh*t about a guy who kept his head down under Gase and Bowles without complaining it was somebody else's fault We? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Smashmouth said: It was a joke So was my trip down Memory Lane. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, bitonti said: In sum the team is like 25 million under the cap for no reason As usual This should tell you we’re still going to acquire guys through training camp and need the flexibility to be able to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, TeddEY said: And yet, they were sixth highest in FA spending. Seems like something you forgot to mention. Is that because it doesn’t fit your conclusion-first point of view? They were number 2 in cap space and number 6 in spending. They had 30 players under contract. Logic follows they could have spent more But don't worry, I'm sure Dan feeney will be awesome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Augustiniak said: This should tell you we’re still going to acquire guys through training camp and need the flexibility to be able to do it. The rookies cost 11 and that gets them over the floor The Johnsons pocket the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 23 hours ago, Wit said: He’s always been honest and straightforward. He planned on being in NY forever and be hurt to know they didn’t want him. He probably also knows he didn’t produce to the level he would want to. Wish him well, but not if Zach Wilson sucks, then I need him to at least suck too. Oh and fields to suck. THIS!!!! It's important for me to see guys we jettison fail. It makes all the difference in my world lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 10 hours ago, NamathToCaster said: Sam is going to pull the same crap he did in NY. Always an excuse and always next time will be better. Let the Carolina coaching staff deal with him now. The difference Carolina actually HAS a coaching staff. Something that might be a life changer for a young QB. Gase... AmIrite? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I can't wait to hear the next level of excuses for his play when Darnold continues his NFL QB implosion tour in Carolina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, bitonti said: They were number 2 in cap space and number 6 in spending. They had 30 players under contract. Logic follows they could have spent more But don't worry, I'm sure Dan feeney will be awesome You're absolutely correct, they could have spent more. Do we need to explore the difference between could and should? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, TeddEY said: You're absolutely correct, they could have spent more. Do we need to explore the difference between could and should? There's always a rainy day the Jets are saving for that never shows up There's always a trade they can make to use the cap without writing a check I don't even like Marcus maye but they should pay someone inside the locker room for a change. It's gross the way they run the team, and every agent knows this. That's why being traded to the jets is a punishment for Percy Harvin and kelechi osemele. They don't treat their players as well as other franchises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, bitonti said: There's always a rainy day the Jets are saving for that never shows up I don't even like Marcus maye but they should pay someone inside the locker room for a change So, you don't like the player, but you should reward him with 10M+ a year. That seems very smart. Here's a better plan. Lets draft well, and then reward the good players. Rather than draft poorly and reward the bad players that you're advocating for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, TeddEY said: So, you don't like the player, but you should reward him with 10M+ a year. That seems very smart. Here's a better plan. Lets draft well, and then reward the good players. Rather than draft poorly and reward the bad players that you're advocating for. He's already getting that 10 million but yes the Johnsons should pay someone homegrown to change the narrative Currently the road to the playoffs is to get traded off the Jets. And side note, other teams extend their good players to save capital near term, counting on future cap increases. The jets keep all this cap space aside and use it to cut bad contracts and trade assets. Jd hasn't actually built a team yet. There's no long term money committed to anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 40 minutes ago, bitonti said: He's already getting that 10 million but yes the Johnsons should pay someone homegrown to change the narrative Currently the road to the playoffs is to get traded off the Jets. And side note, other teams extend their good players to save capital near term, counting on future cap increases. The jets keep all this cap space aside and use it to cut bad contracts and trade assets. Jd hasn't actually built a team yet. There's no long term money committed to anyone Maybe if the Jets find some good players, we can extend them. Until then, we're stuck in the position we're in. I know, it was a huge travesty losing Robby Anderson and his Braxton Berrios tying 3 TDs, but maybe we could just wait and see if the Jets 'get cheap' on a player who you yourself, don't actually advocate for getting rid of, or not paying, or just don't think is very good, before we condemn them for it. You're literally advocating for two wrongs making a right. You see that, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Truly bizarre to see people still waxing poetic over an absolute bust and the worst QB in the league. The right complexion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, bitonti said: The rookies cost 11 and that gets them over the floor The Johnsons pocket the rest The Johnsons own the team so they pocket everything. JD is doing a good job by putting us in a great position to draft this team back to where they should be I have more faith in him than the last 4 GM's by a large margin. We are in a good position with a ton of early picks the next few years that will rebuild this team fairly quick. Its obvious Douglas has a plan the first part of which was to build draft capital get a new QB and fill the need at WR and Edge via free agency I'm sure he will be looking at OL in the draft but I don't think he's going to force any picks if his guy is not there. If we do pick Zack Wilson then it's simple this team will progress as Zack Progresses. It would be wonderful if he comes out as a rookie and tears it up but I don't expect this team to really start to make a move until the middle of this season since they have 2 new systems and a bunch of new players .... there will be a learning curve. Lets try to be a bit positive about this process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 13 hours ago, NamathToCaster said: Sam is going to pull the same crap he did in NY. Always an excuse and always next time will be better. Let the Carolina coaching staff deal with him now. To be fair, Darnold doesn't really make excuses. He doesn't blame anybody else, and he seems to know he likely doesn't have what it takes to be a franchise QB. Which is the kind of self-awareness that will probably make him a useful backup down the road. It's his legion of apologists that can't help themselves. Every excuse in the book and extensive mental gymnastics are used to defend what amounts to be a bad QB. Simple as that. Panthers fans know going in that Darnold is flawed, regardless of their thoughts of Gase or the Jets. So they likely won't make the same bed of excuses for him. Out-produce Bridgewater or GTFO will be their mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: The difference Carolina actually HAS a coaching staff. Something that might be a life changer for a young QB. Gase... AmIrite? Yes, I'm sure Rhule will finally be the one to tell Darnold not to throw off his back foot into triple coverage. How did Bowles, Bates, Gase, and Darnold's USC coaches miss that? I'd ask Darnold's HS coach to speak to that except Darnold didn't play QB in High School. Oops. Guess Maccagnan should have thought about that before drafting him # 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Lets try to be a bit positive about this process 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: The difference Carolina actually HAS a coaching staff. Something that might be a life changer for a young QB. Gase... AmIrite? Agreed. Look Sam has his issues he needs to work out otherwise he won’t have a future as a starter BUT like you said for the past 3 years he has had one of the worst olines, supporting cast, and easily the worst coaching. I don’t care how good of a young QB you are you still need help to have success. The Chiefs are loaded with talent and a great coaching staff, same with the Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Agreed. Look Sam has his issues he needs to work out otherwise he won’t have a future as a starter BUT like you said for the past 3 years he has had one of the worst olines, supporting cast, and easily the worst coaching. I don’t care how good of a young QB you are you still need help to have success. The Chiefs are loaded with talent and a great coaching staff, same with the Bills "Success" is a relative term. No matter how bad his circumstances, Darnold should have been a lot better than QB # 36 last season. Justin Herbert had the # 32 ranked OL and a HC that ended up getting fired. He put up Offensive ROY numbers anyways. Better weapons? You bet. But there was such a massive gap between Herbert and Darnold that it was like they were playing a different sport. Darnold would not have come close to Herbert numbers even if he and Herbert switched places. Did I expect Darnold to produce like Herbert to be called "successful" his final year here? No. Top 20 QB numbers? Absolutely. He failed. Miserably. And in the exact same circumstances, a statue like Joe Flacco still found success in this offense, behind a bad OL. That tells me Darnold has no grasp of making pre-snap reads, even in year 3 as a pro. Flacco's success throwing to Mims and Perriman compared to Darnold with those 2 receivers also demonstrated just how bad Darnold is on deep ball accuracy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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