Kalil says something I hope will further my agenda

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

I'll be honest, I think that is far from a safe presumption on your part.

Gase is a completely incompetent coach at a spectacular level, but that doesn't change the reality that every other QB he has ever coached performed better than Darnold has, even if none other than Manning were particularly impressive themselves.

Despite everyone's inexplicably constant refusal to accept it, the mostly likely true answer is that more than one person was responsible for their own sucking at the same time, just as all of the evidence shows to be the case.

[Wit]

I do wonder what it will be like for Sam handing the ball off too Mcaffrey after handing it to Gore. He may climax each time. I’m slightly concerned for him. 

[jeremy2020]

29 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Civic 

I'm pretty sure you have to own a BMW to be a Jets fan. @SAR I?

[Warfish]

9 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Gase is a completely incompetent coach at a spectacular level, but that doesn't change the reality that every other QB he has ever coached performed better than Darnold has, even if none other than Manning were particularly impressive themselves.

He nearly destroyed Tannehill's career single handedly. 

And Tannehill had more time (4 full seasons) to learn to be an NFL QB before Gase arrived. 

Sam got one year with Bowles (ugh) then immediately into career-killer Gase's clutches..

We'll see if Sam has a Tannehill like resurgence, or if it really is that bad soon enough.

Gase's time as a O-Co with Manning and Culter are easy to discount, both were old Vets who likely told Gase what to do, not the other way around (not matter what nice things Manning says about Gase publicly).

Quote

Despite everyone's inexplicably constant refusal to accept it, the mostly likely true answer is that more than one person was responsible for their own sucking at the same time, just as all of the evidence shows to be the case.

I don't think anyone is refuting that, actually.  

I think it's just going to be interesting to see what Sam does and how he does it in Carolina.

[Bleedin Green]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

He nearly destroyed Tannehill's career single handedly. 

And Tannehill had more time (4 full seasons) to learn to be an NFL QB before Gase arrived. 

Sam got one year with Bowles (ugh) then immediately into career-killer Gase's clutches..

We'll see if Sam has a Tannehill like resurgence, or if it really is that bad soon enough.

Gase's time as a O-Co with Manning and Culter are easy to discount, both were old Vets who likely told Gase what to do, not the other way around (not matter what nice things Manning says about Gase publicly).

I don't think anyone is refuting that, actually.  

I think it's just going to be interesting to see what Sam does and how he does it in Carolina.

Don't get me wrong, I think he'll likely be marginally better than he was last year, more in line with his unimpressive, but less awful, prior 2 seasons.  There's just nothing in particular to suggest he will suddenly transform into a good QB, which is kind of what we'd want the Jets to be looking for, despite how foreign that may seem for them.

[Jet_Engine1]

3 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

What is  your "agenda"?  Are you bashing Wilson? Supporting Darnold? Bashing Gase? Bashing JD? 

Stupid takes. His agenda is Stupid Takes....

[FidelioJet]

3 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Ah, yes the waste of 10 million comes out to poop on us.....thanks Kalil for all your input to the Jets team in 2019

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-jets-veteran-predicts-sam-darnold-rebound-says-new-york-didnt-give-sam-a-lot-of-room-to-grow/

"Everybody ooh'd and ahh'd about (Zach Wilson) at BYU's pro day when he rolled out left and threw across to the right," Kalil said, referring to Darnold's presumptive successor in New York. "And it's like, I've seen Sam do that a million times. It's funny, there's game tape of Sam doing that exact thing.

 

Who really cares what Khalil thinks..

But I have never seen Sam throw the ball 55 yards (in the air) going to other way on game film.  I've seen him make that play throwing 25 yards...which is still very impressive, but these guys wanna say things like that - and have people just think it's true.

There is a big difference between 25 and 55 yards. 

I'm not knocking Sam, he has impressive talent - I really do wish him well...and I'm also not saying it's not a heck of a lot harder to do things in a game than in a pre rehearsed, scripted show....But if you're going to say something it should be real.  

What Khalil said is simply not accurate.

[ryu79]

3 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Ah, yes the waste of 10 million comes out to poop on us.....thanks Kalil for all your input to the Jets team in 2019

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-jets-veteran-predicts-sam-darnold-rebound-says-new-york-didnt-give-sam-a-lot-of-room-to-grow/

"Everybody ooh'd and ahh'd about (Zach Wilson) at BYU's pro day when he rolled out left and threw across to the right," Kalil said, referring to Darnold's presumptive successor in New York. "And it's like, I've seen Sam do that a million times. It's funny, there's game tape of Sam doing that exact thing.

 

Full marks on your subject being very transparent.

[flgreen]

 

[Dinamite]

48 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Gase, I hope will never see an NFL sideline in ANY form ever again.  That is how bad I think he actually is.  

Actually, I hope Gase becomes the head coach of the Patriots in the next year or so.

[Integrity28]

45 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

I'm pretty sure you have to own a at-home blood pressure monitor to be a Jets fan. @SAR I?

Yes.

[SAR I]

50 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

I'm pretty sure you have to own a BMW to be a Jets fan. @SAR I?

One word:  Platinum

SAR I

[Matt39]

3 hours ago, paulyjet said:

Yes... Sam can make every throw. But imo...

He lacks something....

That competitive edge....

The fire...

Something...

 

He can’t read a defense

[RogerVick1980]

Counting his last year at USC Sam has played badly in 4 straight years.

I know this is a  crazy thought but maybe he’s not very good?

Could he maybe be a decent top 20-25 starter in the right system? Perhaps but that’s not what I’m shooting for.

You don’t win SB’s with those Qb’s

[MichaelScott]

3 hours ago, jetsrule1969 said:

EXACTLY, couldn't agree more. 

First, Kevinc is a clown who needs to be listed as a troll. Second, if you watch what Phil Simms said about this you'll understand it for what it is. He said that the throws are no where near the same thing. The throw that Zach made was a LOT HARDER than anything Sam did in that particular instance or ever did before. Phil has some credibility on this subject since he was the one who came out and said that Sam should NOT be the first pick in the draft BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DID and again he nailed his QB analysis. Given Phil's track record I'm feeling really good about the Zach selection.

For what it's worth, That "Ooooo - Ahhhhh" throw of Wilson's that everyone is talking about was almost identical to Sam's very 1st pass of his pro career - When he threw that pick 6 lmao!

 

[MichaelScott]

1 hour ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

Tough to understand, I know, because Gase played football himself.....in high school.

Just amazing what a “mark” that Chris Johnson must be, partly due to silver spoon and the other half, not too bright.

First he gets sold on some bum who looks like the “guy at the end of the bar”, a prototype, in a failed Scout in Maccagnan, makes him GM.

Then Gase shows up, I’m sure he didn’t bring “little King of Queens guy” with him to the interviews but if it were me he fooled into hiring him, the second I saw his flunky in tow with him I’d be right away like this...”Oh?!?!?....Wooh, slow down, who is this guy with you?!!?”....then after Gase explains....”Look I’m sorry, there has been mistake, your offer is being withdrawn, if you have a problem with that, call your lawyer”.

You've got me literally lol'ing picturing Gase walking into the interview with The Hobbit at his heels. The Hobbit is carrying several big binders with what looks like important offensive game planning material. At closer examination, the binders are empty except for a black and white head shot of Adam with his googly eyes, a cover letter from Peyton Manning and a printout from ESPN of Manning's career stats with "I did this" written in crayon. 

They offer Gase water. He accepts and instructs them to put Hobbit's water in a bowl. 

Chris Johnson: "Welcome to the team!!"

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, undertow said:

If he has 1.5 seconds to throw the ball for the next 3 years he won't....not sure why this is so complicated.  Go look at tape when Wilson faces pressure all game he looks exactly like Darnold playing for the Jets.

For 3 straight years Sam Darnold had just 1.5 seconds to throw the ball. Right. Even when he was top 5 in the NFL in time to throw, pushing 3 seconds (and not because he was running around effectively to buy more time like Jackson, Watson, Allen, etc.), even then he had 1.5 seconds to throw the ball. 

lolz

[undertow]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

For 3 straight years Sam Darnold had just 1.5 seconds to throw the ball. Right. Even when he was top 5 in the NFL in time to throw, pushing 3 seconds (and not because he was running around effectively to buy more time like Jackson, Watson, Allen, etc.), even then he had 1.5 seconds to throw the ball. 

lolz

You are arguing with me that Darnold had a good offensive line and proper support?

lolz x 2 

[Sperm Edwards]

2 minutes ago, undertow said:

You are arguing with me that Darnold had a good offensive line and proper support?

lolz x 2 

Yes that's what I'm arguing. Good call.

[undertow]

Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

Yes that's what I'm arguing. Good call.

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.....either that or you have the IQ of a baked potato.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 minutes ago, undertow said:

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.....either that or you have the IQ of a baked potato.

I have the IQ of a baked potato because I don't acknowledge Darnold had only 1.5 seconds to throw even when he was taking an average of 3 seconds to throw as a pocket QB. Gotcha.

[doitny]

Games		Passing
Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Yds	Sk	PktTime	Bltz	Hrry	Hits	Prss	Prss%	Scrm	Yds/Scr
1	Matt Ryan	ATL	35	QB	16	16	407	626	4581	41	2.6	204	55	70	166	24.3%	16	6.5
2	Tom Brady	TAM	43	QB	16	16	401	610	4633	21	2.4	161	34	58	113	17.8%	4	2.0
3	Ben Roethlisberger	PIT	38	QB	15	15	399	608	3803	13	2.1	175	42	51	106	17.0%	3	7.0
4	Justin Herbert	LAC	22	QB	15	15	396	595	4336	32	2.4	170	85	70	187	28.7%	25	5.6
5	Patrick Mahomes *	KAN	25	QB	15	15	390	588	4740	22	2.6	141	62	59	143	22.0%	40	7.3
6	Josh Allen *	BUF	24	QB	16	16	396	572	4544	26	2.6	244	64	47	137	21.9%	29	7.9
7	Kyler Murray *	ARI	23	QB	16	16	375	558	3971	27	2.4	156	55	24	106	16.7%	51	8.4
8	Russell Wilson *	SEA	32	QB	16	16	384	558	4212	47	2.6	206	65	67	179	27.2%	53	8.7
9	Jared Goff	LAR	26	QB	15	15	370	552	3952	23	2.5	185	42	54	119	19.9%	22	4.5
10	Deshaun Watson *	HOU	25	QB	16	16	382	544	4823	49	2.5	168	75	47	171	26.1%	62	6.4
11	Philip Rivers	IND	39	QB	16	16	369	543	4169	19	2.3	124	37	37	93	16.5%	1	3.0
12	Matthew Stafford	DET	32	QB	16	16	339	528	4084	38	2.4	179	45	39	122	21.0%	16	7.3
13	Aaron Rodgers *+	GNB	37	QB	16	16	372	526	4299	20	2.5	168	33	28	81	14.2%	24	6.2
14	Derek Carr	LVR	29	QB	16	16	348	517	4103	26	2.5	173	56	30	112	19.8%	23	5.4
15	Kirk Cousins	MIN	32	QB	16	16	349	516	4265	39	2.6	181	56	78	173	30.2%	17	8.1
16	Teddy Bridgewater	CAR	28	QB	15	15	340	492	3733	31	2.3	154	42	38	111	19.8%	37	7.4
17	Baker Mayfield	CLE	25	QB	16	16	305	486	3563	26	2.7	179	49	26	101	18.8%	25	6.1
18	Ryan Tannehill	TEN	32	QB	16	16	315	481	3819	24	2.5	161	36	61	121	23.0%	20	7.4
19	Daniel Jones	NYG	23	QB	14	14	280	448	2943	45	2.5	200	56	55	156	30.3%	22	6.5
20	Drew Lock	DEN	24	QB	13	13	254	443	2933	19	2.6	148	53	46	118	24.4%	22	6.0
21	Carson Wentz	PHI	28	QB	12	12	251	437	2620	50	2.6	167	35	64	149	29.3%	22	8.4
22	Joe Burrow	CIN	24	qb	10	10	264	404	2688	32	2.3	138	30	47	109	24.1%	16	5.2
23	Drew Brees	NOR	41	QB	12	12	275	390	2942	13	2.4	92	13	33	59	14.6%	2	1.5
24	Lamar Jackson	BAL	23	QB	15	15	242	376	2757	29	2.5	104	49	24	102	22.5%	49	7.2
25	Cam Newton	NWE	31	QB	15	15	242	368	2657	31	2.6	178	48	30	109	26.0%	20	9.3
26	Sam Darnold	NYJ	23	QB	12	12	217	364	2208	35	2.4	143	43	38	116	27.3%	26	8.0
27	Andy Dalton	DAL	33	qb	11	9	216	333	2170	24	2.3	119	15	25	64	17.2%	15	5.7
28	Gardner Minshew II	JAX	24	qb	9	8	216	327	2259	27	2.4	90	38	20	85	22.5%	24	6.6
29	Nick Mullens	SFO	25	qb	10	8	211	326	2437	19

 

according to this sam had 2.4 seconds in the pocket

now if you compare him to others sam wasnt under the distress that we all think. look at the blitzs. even when factoring in the 4 games sam missed Josh Allen and Russ Wilson got blitzed way more.

our line might not have been the best but to say thats the reason sam was so bad when others who had less time and did more is wrong. 

see the problem with sam is he is so well liked nobody wants to speak bad of him. and Gase is not a likable guy. so who are you going to throw under the bus? yes Gase was a bad coach but to blame him for everything and Sam is treated like he did nothing wrong is nuts.

 

 

[Big_Slick]

4 hours ago, undertow said:

If he has 1.5 seconds to throw the ball for the next 3 years he won't....not sure why this is so complicated.  Go look at tape when Wilson faces pressure all game he looks exactly like Darnold playing for the Jets.

All QB's look bad with unblocked blitzers in their face and an horror show of a OL that can't pass or run block. If Wilson is going to have a chance JD needs to draft OL early and often. 

[Big_Slick]

3 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

If Darnold and Wilson have the same skillset than the scales tip toward drafting Wilson and resetting the clock.

The flip side of that is you pass up the opportunity to trade the #2 OA pick for a haul of picks that could plug the many holes on the team. Sam was relatively cheap at 25m for the next two years.

[slats]

3 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Don't get me wrong, I think he'll likely be marginally better than he was last year, more in line with his unimpressive, but less awful, prior 2 seasons.  There's just nothing in particular to suggest he will suddenly transform into a good QB, which is kind of what we'd want the Jets to be looking for, despite how foreign that may seem for them.

He’s in a good position to become a good QB, if he can. He has the full support of the Panthers, something he never really had on the Jets.  
 
I think a good Sam Darnold would look a lot like Eli or Favre, a guy who you can win with but have to live with the turnovers, too. I think that was Gase’s failing with the kid. You have a QB whose best traits involve playing off script, and he demands that Sam stick to his ****ty script. Given the freedom to create, I think he can be better. Having a better cast around him is not going to hurt. I like him, and I’m gonna root for him. I hope Zach Wilson turns out to be a lot better, though. 

[Drums]

3 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Gase is a completely incompetent coach at a spectacular level, but that doesn't change the reality that every other QB he has ever coached performed better than Darnold has, even if none other than Manning were particularly impressive themselves.

Despite everyone's inexplicably constant refusal to accept it, the mostly likely true answer is that more than one person was responsible for their own sucking at the same time, just as all of the evidence shows to be the case.

One thing is for sure: all will be answered when we see how he does on the Panthers because there can be no excuses on that team. 

[Sperm Edwards]

10 hours ago, doitny said:

Games		Passing
Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Yds	Sk	PktTime	Bltz	Hrry	Hits	Prss	Prss%	Scrm	Yds/Scr
1	Matt Ryan	ATL	35	QB	16	16	407	626	4581	41	2.6	204	55	70	166	24.3%	16	6.5
2	Tom Brady	TAM	43	QB	16	16	401	610	4633	21	2.4	161	34	58	113	17.8%	4	2.0
3	Ben Roethlisberger	PIT	38	QB	15	15	399	608	3803	13	2.1	175	42	51	106	17.0%	3	7.0
4	Justin Herbert	LAC	22	QB	15	15	396	595	4336	32	2.4	170	85	70	187	28.7%	25	5.6
5	Patrick Mahomes *	KAN	25	QB	15	15	390	588	4740	22	2.6	141	62	59	143	22.0%	40	7.3
6	Josh Allen *	BUF	24	QB	16	16	396	572	4544	26	2.6	244	64	47	137	21.9%	29	7.9
7	Kyler Murray *	ARI	23	QB	16	16	375	558	3971	27	2.4	156	55	24	106	16.7%	51	8.4
8	Russell Wilson *	SEA	32	QB	16	16	384	558	4212	47	2.6	206	65	67	179	27.2%	53	8.7
9	Jared Goff	LAR	26	QB	15	15	370	552	3952	23	2.5	185	42	54	119	19.9%	22	4.5
10	Deshaun Watson *	HOU	25	QB	16	16	382	544	4823	49	2.5	168	75	47	171	26.1%	62	6.4
11	Philip Rivers	IND	39	QB	16	16	369	543	4169	19	2.3	124	37	37	93	16.5%	1	3.0
12	Matthew Stafford	DET	32	QB	16	16	339	528	4084	38	2.4	179	45	39	122	21.0%	16	7.3
13	Aaron Rodgers *+	GNB	37	QB	16	16	372	526	4299	20	2.5	168	33	28	81	14.2%	24	6.2
14	Derek Carr	LVR	29	QB	16	16	348	517	4103	26	2.5	173	56	30	112	19.8%	23	5.4
15	Kirk Cousins	MIN	32	QB	16	16	349	516	4265	39	2.6	181	56	78	173	30.2%	17	8.1
16	Teddy Bridgewater	CAR	28	QB	15	15	340	492	3733	31	2.3	154	42	38	111	19.8%	37	7.4
17	Baker Mayfield	CLE	25	QB	16	16	305	486	3563	26	2.7	179	49	26	101	18.8%	25	6.1
18	Ryan Tannehill	TEN	32	QB	16	16	315	481	3819	24	2.5	161	36	61	121	23.0%	20	7.4
19	Daniel Jones	NYG	23	QB	14	14	280	448	2943	45	2.5	200	56	55	156	30.3%	22	6.5
20	Drew Lock	DEN	24	QB	13	13	254	443	2933	19	2.6	148	53	46	118	24.4%	22	6.0
21	Carson Wentz	PHI	28	QB	12	12	251	437	2620	50	2.6	167	35	64	149	29.3%	22	8.4
22	Joe Burrow	CIN	24	qb	10	10	264	404	2688	32	2.3	138	30	47	109	24.1%	16	5.2
23	Drew Brees	NOR	41	QB	12	12	275	390	2942	13	2.4	92	13	33	59	14.6%	2	1.5
24	Lamar Jackson	BAL	23	QB	15	15	242	376	2757	29	2.5	104	49	24	102	22.5%	49	7.2
25	Cam Newton	NWE	31	QB	15	15	242	368	2657	31	2.6	178	48	30	109	26.0%	20	9.3
26	Sam Darnold	NYJ	23	QB	12	12	217	364	2208	35	2.4	143	43	38	116	27.3%	26	8.0
27	Andy Dalton	DAL	33	qb	11	9	216	333	2170	24	2.3	119	15	25	64	17.2%	15	5.7
28	Gardner Minshew II	JAX	24	qb	9	8	216	327	2259	27	2.4	90	38	20	85	22.5%	24	6.6
29	Nick Mullens	SFO	25	qb	10	8	211	326	2437	19

 

according to this sam had 2.4 seconds in the pocket

now if you compare him to others sam wasnt under the distress that we all think. look at the blitzs. even when factoring in the 4 games sam missed Josh Allen and Russ Wilson got blitzed way more.

our line might not have been the best but to say thats the reason sam was so bad when others who had less time and did more is wrong. 

see the problem with sam is he is so well liked nobody wants to speak bad of him. and Gase is not a likable guy. so who are you going to throw under the bus? yes Gase was a bad coach but to blame him for everything and Sam is treated like he did nothing wrong is nuts.

 

 

First half of 2020, in particular, the line was a disaster. No preseason, very limited camp, and none of the 5 had been on the same line together before. It wasn't a top 5 line or anything after that, but it was noticeably better after that. Gase's offense, which demanded near-perfection all around to be what it was in Denver, further did him no favors. 

If he was putting up even decent numbers outside of that stretch, it's an easier single-culprit reason for the offense's level of suck. Every fan wanted him to succeed. The problem is he was bad even factoring in the admittedly sucky circumstances.

Before this year's OL shakeup?

 

Hey, the Jets' OL was no asset - no one's arguing otherwise - but this tall tale that this was the worst pass-protecting line in the history of pass protection grows still taller each time it's told. 1.5 seconds to throw. C'mon. 

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Worst oline the the league.

Worst weapons in the league.

Worst FA signings in the leauge

By FAR the worst coach in the leauge

By Far the worst GM in the league most of his tenure

Crap bust of a 22 year old QB!!!!

Yeah but Flacco had a decent game facing a mediocre pats team in a loss

[Philc1]

51 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

The flip side of that is you pass up the opportunity to trade the #2 OA pick for a haul of picks that could plug the many holes on the team. Sam was relatively cheap at 25m for the next two years.

Trade for Garropolo 

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, Wit said:

I do wonder what it will be like for Sam handing the ball off too Mcaffrey after handing it to Gore. He may climax each time. I’m slightly concerned for him. 

Be concerned for the Panthers' laundry room instead, putting it that way. 

[Embrace the Suck]

 

[CanadienJetsFan]

Well, if Khalil says it, then that changes everything.

[Larz]

You’re too young for an agenda. Do your homework and then go play outside 

[Smashmouth]

12 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Ah, yes the waste of 10 million comes out to poop on us.....thanks Kalil for all your input to the Jets team in 2019

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-jets-veteran-predicts-sam-darnold-rebound-says-new-york-didnt-give-sam-a-lot-of-room-to-grow/

"Everybody ooh'd and ahh'd about (Zach Wilson) at BYU's pro day when he rolled out left and threw across to the right," Kalil said, referring to Darnold's presumptive successor in New York. "And it's like, I've seen Sam do that a million times. It's funny, there's game tape of Sam doing that exact thing.

 

and this means absolutely nothing 

[doitny]

7 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

First half of 2020, in particular, the line was a disaster. No preseason, very limited camp, and none of the 5 had been on the same line together before. It wasn't a top 5 line or anything after that, but it was noticeably better after that. Gase's offense, which demanded near-perfection all around to be what it was in Denver, further did him no favors. Meanwhile Brock Osweiler looked like a credible starter in that same system, so it's more than just that alone. 

If he was putting up even decent numbers outside of that stretch, it's an easier single-culprit reason for the offense's level of suck. Every fan wanted him to succeed. The problem is he was bad even factoring in the admittedly sucky circumstances.

Before this year's OL shakeup?

 

Hey, the Jets' OL was no asset - no one's arguing otherwise - but this tall tale that this was the worse pass-protecting line in the history of pass protection grows still taller each time it's told. 1.5 seconds to throw. C'mon. 

the thing is Sperm, its that we all watched every single Jet game. we seen Sam run for his life. but i bet none of us watched every single game in the NFL. so we think we had the worst of the worst OL in the game.

its the... grass is always greener on the other side saying..

but with the stats that you put up, compared to other QBs Sam had time to throw. 

and with my stats he wasn't no where near the most blitzed QB. 

yes we didn't have a good OL. but i could put more stats that show we weren't no where near the worst