Popular Post slats Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 Yeah, sorry to break it to you. Rookie head coach, rookie coordinators installing new systems on both sides of the ball with a rookie QB. There are just too many moving pieces here for everything to fall into place in the perfect way in their first year together. Hopefully Joe Douglas is the guy, Saleh turns out to be his watershed hire and Mike LaFluer is the first offensive coordinator the Jets ever had that isn't universally hated by the fanbase, and Zach Wilson (presumably) isn't just a franchise QB but a star - but it's just not going to come together that quickly. These expectations of 7 or more wins, top half offensive rankings... these are pipe dreams. Also looking to upgrade everywhere on offense in this draft while ignoring the defense is not going to happen - and it shouldn't. You already have the rookie QB, very possibly one rookie OL, and if some fans here had their way a rookie RB, WR, TE, and a second OL, too. All in the name of supporting the rookie QB - but that's not support, that's instability! The rookie offensive coordinator already has way more than enough on his hands trying to establish a new offense while simultaneously getting a rookie QB prepared to start the season. Those are two huge jobs that, preferably, would've been done in separate years. I'm sure that was part of the idea of rolling it back with Sam, if that's what it came to. Jets fans have become irrationally biased against the defense. It's still a team sport. I get all the defensive first round picks, the DTs and the safeties, I was there! But when Joe Douglas takes a QB at #2 this year, his first two first rounder's will've been offensive players, and the Jets will have gone offense in the first round three out of the last four years. This isn't year 49 of the rebuild, it's year two of JD's build and year one of the Saleh era. They're switching to an aggressive 4-3 zone defense that needs players, too. While Lafluer and the rookie QB are getting the offensive foundation built, wouldn't it be nice to see a nasty pass rush being developed on the other side of the ball? When's the last time we had that. Doesn't anyone realize that a defense that can stop the other team and get off the field helps the QB? Do you really want ZW throwing 40-50 times a game playing catch-up all day? If they take an Edge at #23, try just looking over the ledge instead of actually jumping. I think the best we can hope for is a team that is clearly showing signs of getting better as the year goes on, but that zone blocking OL and zone coverage secondary are gonna take some time to gel. But then at the end of the year, maybe we can have some of the usual grumbling about "meaningless wins destroying our draft position," even though in a new administration's first year, those late season wins would not be meaningless at all. They would be program building. I'm optimistic about the future, looking forward to seeing some signs of life, but the growing pains -I suspect- are going to be visibly ugly for much of the year. 15 10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post k-met57 Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 thanks for the update. 2 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bgivs21 Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 I don't think any fan was under an illusion that we were going to be good. I believe the hope of the majority of fans is a LA Chargerd type season where Wilson shows he's legit and another few players on the team step up and we're in a bunch of close games. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The off season sucks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peteo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The nee ds of the Jets are many. My take after QB is pass rusher, OL, CB, WR, then best available at position of need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 To think they are is very wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jbt Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 so my Jets 2022 Super Bowl Champions tattoo was a bad idea? 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lith Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, slats said: Jets fans have become irrationally biased against the defense. It's still a team sport. There is a reason for that. The Jets leadership has been irrationally biased against the offense for most of the last 10 years. Although I do agree with you that the fans hope/expectation of an all offense R1-R3 is unlikely. I think it is the way fans think, but not NFL personnel people. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What are you talking about? We’re drafting a QB who is better than Pat Mahomes 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrcoops Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 We will certainly be pretty bad early in the season but, hopefully, can start to be competitive later in the year as the system and all the new players settle in - then be ready to be truly competitive from next year onwards. Sort of like a Browns when they got Mayfield type of deal - bad early, then tough to play the following year. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jet_Engine1 Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, slats said: Yeah, sorry to break it to you. Rookie head coach, rookie coordinators installing new systems on both sides of the ball with a rookie QB. There are just too many moving pieces here for everything to fall into place in the perfect way in their first year together. Hopefully Joe Douglas is the guy, Saleh turns out to be his watershed hire and Mike LaFluer is the first offensive coordinator the Jets ever had that isn't universally hated by the fanbase, and Zach Wilson (presumably) isn't just a franchise QB but a star - but it's just not going to come together that quickly. These expectations of 7 or more wins, top half offensive rankings... these are pipe dreams. Also looking to upgrade everywhere on offense in this draft while ignoring the defense is not going to happen - and it shouldn't. You already have the rookie QB, very possibly one rookie OL, and if some fans here had their way a rookie RB, WR, TE, and a second OL, too. All in the name of supporting the rookie QB - but that's not support, that's instability! The rookie offensive coordinator already has way more than enough on his hands trying to establish a new offense while simultaneously getting a rookie QB prepared to start the season. Those are two huge jobs that, preferably, would've been done in separate years. I'm sure that was part of the idea of rolling it back with Sam, if that's what it came to. Jets fans have become irrationally biased against the defense. It's still a team sport. I get all the defensive first round picks, the DTs and the safeties, I was there! But when Joe Douglas takes a QB at #2 this year, his first two first rounder's will've been offensive players, and the Jets will have gone offense in the first round three out of the last four years. This isn't year 49 of the rebuild, it's year two of JD's build and year one of the Saleh era. They're switching to an aggressive 4-3 zone defense that needs players, too. While Lafluer and the rookie QB are getting the offensive foundation built, wouldn't it be nice to see a nasty pass rush being developed on the other side of the ball? When's the last time we had that. Doesn't anyone realize that a defense that can stop the other team and get off the field helps the QB? Do you really want ZW throwing 40-50 times a game playing catch-up all day? If they take an Edge at #23, try just looking over the ledge instead of actually jumping. I think the best we can hope for is a team that is clearly showing signs of getting better as the year goes on, but that zone blocking OL and zone coverage secondary are gonna take some time to gel. But then at the end of the year, maybe we can have some of the usual grumbling about "meaningless wins destroying our draft position," even though in a new administration's first year, those late season wins would not be meaningless at all. They would be program building. I'm optimistic about the future, looking forward to seeing some signs of life, but the growing pains -I suspect- are going to be visibly ugly for much of the year. So many words for something that can be answered by, "no sh*t". All I want to see is competence and professionalism after the sh*tshow we've been subjected to the past few years. 4 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, bgivs21 said: I don't think any fan was under an illusion that we were going to be good. I believe the hope of the majority of fans is a LA Chargerd type season where Wilson shows he's legit and another few players on the team step up and we're in a bunch of close games. I'm seeing expectations of a top 15 offense this year, 7 or more wins. So yeah, I think some folks have unreasonably lofty goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Yes and if they are going to be terrible there's no sense in ruining another qb The reason why fans dream about an entire new rookie offense is because Zach wilson is going to get smeared in this one They need at least 5 starters for this 4-3.BCB, NCB, ER2, Sam and Will Side note fields could have this team in the playoffs Vince Young style, because qbs that run 4.4 can tip the balance. Wilson it's going to be a multi year project like everything else 4 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted April 20, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: So many words for something that can be answered by, "no sh*t". All I want to see is competence and professionalism after the sh*tshow we've been subjected to the past few years. I look forward to seeing this sort of level-headedness when the season arrives. There will definitely be a vocal contingent of fans breaking out the torches, pitchforks, billboards and airplanes, I suspect. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, slats said: Yeah, sorry to break it to you. Rookie head coach, rookie coordinators installing new systems on both sides of the ball with a rookie QB. There are just too many moving pieces here for everything to fall into place in the perfect way in their first year together. Hopefully Joe Douglas is the guy, Saleh turns out to be his watershed hire and Mike LaFluer is the first offensive coordinator the Jets ever had that isn't universally hated by the fanbase, and Zach Wilson (presumably) isn't just a franchise QB but a star - but it's just not going to come together that quickly. These expectations of 7 or more wins, top half offensive rankings... these are pipe dreams. Also looking to upgrade everywhere on offense in this draft while ignoring the defense is not going to happen - and it shouldn't. You already have the rookie QB, very possibly one rookie OL, and if some fans here had their way a rookie RB, WR, TE, and a second OL, too. All in the name of supporting the rookie QB - but that's not support, that's instability! The rookie offensive coordinator already has way more than enough on his hands trying to establish a new offense while simultaneously getting a rookie QB prepared to start the season. Those are two huge jobs that, preferably, would've been done in separate years. I'm sure that was part of the idea of rolling it back with Sam, if that's what it came to. Jets fans have become irrationally biased against the defense. It's still a team sport. I get all the defensive first round picks, the DTs and the safeties, I was there! But when Joe Douglas takes a QB at #2 this year, his first two first rounder's will've been offensive players, and the Jets will have gone offense in the first round three out of the last four years. This isn't year 49 of the rebuild, it's year two of JD's build and year one of the Saleh era. They're switching to an aggressive 4-3 zone defense that needs players, too. While Lafluer and the rookie QB are getting the offensive foundation built, wouldn't it be nice to see a nasty pass rush being developed on the other side of the ball? When's the last time we had that. Doesn't anyone realize that a defense that can stop the other team and get off the field helps the QB? Do you really want ZW throwing 40-50 times a game playing catch-up all day? If they take an Edge at #23, try just looking over the ledge instead of actually jumping. I think the best we can hope for is a team that is clearly showing signs of getting better as the year goes on, but that zone blocking OL and zone coverage secondary are gonna take some time to gel. But then at the end of the year, maybe we can have some of the usual grumbling about "meaningless wins destroying our draft position," even though in a new administration's first year, those late season wins would not be meaningless at all. They would be program building. I'm optimistic about the future, looking forward to seeing some signs of life, but the growing pains -I suspect- are going to be visibly ugly for much of the year. If I don’t feel urge to shut the game off at half time, drive to Rochester to play golf and bludgeon @Pac with a putter* I’ll call it a success. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: So many words for something that can be answered by, "no sh*t". All I want to see is competence and professionalism after the sh*tshow we've been subjected to the past few years. Brian Hoyer starting games for us next season screams competence 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted April 20, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: The reason why fans dream about an entire new rookie offense is because Zach wilson is going to get smeared in this one If you want to make certain he gets killed, get him a rookie center and have a rookie RB back in pass protection. That oughta do it. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I look forward to the playoff football with Zachapono this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, slats said: Yeah, sorry to break it to you. Rookie head coach, rookie coordinators installing new systems on both sides of the ball with a rookie QB. all of the above >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam "worst HC ever" Gase 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, slats said: If you want to make certain he gets killed, get him a rookie center and have a rookie RB back in pass protection. That oughta do it. Basically do everything the Jets did with Sam Darnold 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 breaking news! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 Would you call me crazy if I said we're going to start the season 5-0? 4 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post nycdan Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Stark said: all of the above >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam "worst HC ever" Gase Pains me to admit it, but I'm only half the man Gase is 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Lith said: There is a reason for that. The Jets leadership has been irrationally biased against the offense for most of the last 10 years. Although I do agree with you that the fans hope/expectation of an all offense R1-R3 is unlikely. I think it is the way fans think, but not NFL personnel people. Can't argue with the facts. The Jets invested a disproportionate amount of premium resources on safeties, ilbs, cbs, and DTs for like a decade versus the rest of the league. Even worse, most of those players at those positions busted and were out of the league a couple years after they left us. Just mind-numbingly bad. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted April 20, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: Basically do everything the Jets did with Sam Darnold Douglas got him a LT and WR with his first two picks last year. I expect a rookie starter on the OL this year. That's enough rookie starters when trying to install a new offense. He added a couple WRs and a RB in free agency. You may not love every move, but he's done a lot more for the offense before his second draft than the previous couple guys did in a decade. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bitonti Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, slats said: If you want to make certain he gets killed, get him a rookie center and have a rookie RB back in pass protection. That oughta do it. Don't worry creed will play left guard after they save X million dollars cutting Alex lewis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 wins should be considered a good season for the Jets. Yea, we're that bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, slats said: Douglas got him a LT and WR with his first two picks last year. I expect a rookie starter on the OL this year. That's enough rookie starters when trying to install a new offense. He added a couple WRs and a RB in free agency. You may not love every move, but he's done a lot more for the offense before his second draft than the previous couple guys did in a decade. After 2 years. And Mims was injured first half of the season. And almost all the free agent signings outside of Crowder were unmitigated disasters (Bell, Kalil, Perriman) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SAR I Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 This year? I'm thinking 2025 at this point. Joe Douglas' only accomplishment has been to turn us into an expansion team. SAR I 4 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 This will be the first season that a team has a chance to go 20-0. We're still in the hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, slats said: I look forward to seeing this sort of level-headedness when the season arrives. There will definitely be a vocal contingent of fans breaking out the torches, pitchforks, billboards and airplanes, I suspect. There already are vs Joe Douglas. Of course it's unwarranted. But so are many of these Jets fans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: After 2 years. And Mims was injured first half of the season. And almost all the free agent signings outside of Crowder were unmitigated disasters (Bell, Kalil, Perriman) um.... who signed Bell? You think it was Douglas? LOL. You need rest. Your litany of snide posts is sinking to new lows. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Not to piggyback off of other posters but this is why I want them to bench the QB they take. Things that help a young quarterback: protection, run game, superstar go-to guy in the passing game. In the ZBS protection and run game are both going to fall to the OL. This is the same OL they had last year. I don't think there's universal agreement regarding how bad the OL was, but I think there is universal agreement it was below average. Adding rookies could improve that in the short term, it also could result in a short-term downgrade, and that's the only option left on the table for improvement. The run game is being installed this year and will hopefully be rolling next year. Probably will be some hiccups along the way as they get it installed and figure out who the most productive back is running behind those guys. There is no stud go-to guy in the passing game right now. Maybe someone gets established, maybe it's a pick for next year. But at this point there's nobody who's always open, the go-to guy in a tough situation, or tilting the field for the defense. Defenses have just been able to play the Jets straight for years now. Aside from Robby Anderson, no real fear of the big play in the pass or the run game - and Anderson was a little easier to cover since the downfield big play was all he brought to the table on the Jets. The next tackle he breaks will be the first. The quarterback is a factor there but it's also largely the skill position talent. The running backs are faster but completely unestablished, maybe Mims gets going. No signs of the line being dominant to compensate. I think the quarterback's job is going to be hard again. Might be easier if that guy could get cheap yards and create with his legs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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