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Yeah, sorry to break it to you.  Rookie head coach, rookie coordinators installing new systems on both sides of the ball with a rookie QB. There are just too many moving pieces here for everythin

thanks for the update.

Would you call me crazy if I said we're going to start the season 5-0?

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9 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

They are already laying the ground work excuse. 2021 is a rookie qb year

2022 is the year of “development”

so basically they are arguing it takes 5 seasons to build a roster. Guy are living in the Stone Age 

I love how the fans who wanted Adam Gase fired after 4 weeks who are la-la giving Joe Douglas 4 years.

The Jets announced the rebuild in 2017.  They Sucked For Sam in 2017 and got him and cut a ton of players in 2018.  Then they hired Joe Douglas.

You can't cancel the rebuilds in 2017 and 2018, folks.  They happened.  Joe Douglas was given the greatest gift an NFL GM has ever had-  the guy was hired right after the draft!  He had 11 months to prepare for 2020 and he sucked in FA and the draft.  And now it's 2021 and he sucked in FA and here comes another blah draft.  Hot seat time.  Fly planes.  Buy billboards.

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16 minutes ago, SAR I said:

In 2020 the coaching staff did not change.  In 2020 the quarterback did not change.

What changed in 2020 was Joe Douglas getting his paws all over the roster.

We went from 7-9 to 2-14.  The coaching staff and quarterback were the constants.  The GM was the variable.

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The schedule was the biggest variable -- I don't think people realize how historically easy the 2019 schedule was. The lack of travel was absurd. We started 1-7, lost to the 0-11 Bengals and then stacked low scoring wins against backup QBs.

Other that whiffing on Robby Anderson I don't really see how JD made the 2020 roster significantly weaker than 2019. The 2019 offseason was Mac's last desperate attempt to save his job. The 2020 offseason was the retooling.

That doesn't of course excuse JD from criticism. This draft is probably the biggest of his life. Now we have all the picks, his QB, his coach. He needs to nail it.

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1 minute ago, SAR I said:

I love how the fans who wanted Adam Gase fired after 4 weeks who are la-la giving Joe Douglas 4 years.

 

We knew Adam Gase sucked before he stepped in the building because we watched him suck for three years in South Florida. The fact that we started the first half of his first two seasons 1-15 just confirmed what we already knew. He is one of the worst head coaches in the modern history of the NFL.

Douglas may suck but he came in with a great reputation and pedigree and he's got to be given a chance to see if he can reshape this roster. We all knew it was a poor roster when he came where from 7 offseasons of Idzik and Macaggnan. He needs more than one year to turn it around. 

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7 minutes ago, SAR I said:

The tear down was well underway before Joe Douglas signed his contract.  The rebuild was announced by Christopher Johnson in early 2017:

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2017/09/20/jets-acting-owner-christopher-johnson-we-definitely-not-tanking/685527001/

That's 2 years before Douglas was hired.  Then Douglas had a luxury no other NFL GM has ever had-  he was hired immediately after the draft, he had 11 months to prepare for his first draft where most GM's are lucky to get 3.  We paid him $4,000,000 to hold a clipboard, study our roster, study NFL rosters, study NCAA rosters and come out blazing in 2020.  A mulligan of a season.  Unbelievable.

He had a bad 2020 FA period.  He had a weak 2020 draft.  He took a 7-9 team and made it 2-14.  He had a bad 2021 FA period.  And we're heading into a 2021 draft with 26 players on expired 1-year deals.  Half our team is going to be guys undrafted and league scrubs.  It's Douglas' 3rd year.  He didn't build on anything.  He's just tearing things down for 2 years after the prior GM tore things down for 2 years.  Eventually, he has to be called on it.  That time is now.

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Yes, I think we can all agree that Joe Douglas should've just finished the job that Maccagnan started, rather than build it in his own vision. We all really liked Mac. 

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2 hours ago, Dupe said:

They said the same thing about the Knicks.  They aren’t going to win the championship but boy they are fun this year. 

Six straight and the Hornets get beat tonight! 

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20 minutes ago, Jetty said:

Wasnt Rex a rookie coach with a rookie QB with new coordinators implementing a new system?

Yes but the Mangini maniac's will say it was a Bowl ready team because he was a great HC and made every good pick the Jets made, the bad one's were all Tanny..:rolleyes:

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24 minutes ago, Jetty said:

Wasnt Rex a rookie coach with a rookie QB with new coordinators implementing a new system?

No, Schotty was a Mangy holdover. 

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7 hours ago, SAR I said:

In 2020 the coaching staff did not change.  In 2020 the quarterback did not change.

What changed in 2020 was Joe Douglas getting his paws all over the roster.

We went from 7-9 to 2-14.  The coaching staff and quarterback were the constants.  The GM was the variable.

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The players he removed that caused the drop off in our record?

it’s twofold.
1.  The 2019 Jets were not a 7 win team.  We were a team that benefited from a schedule over the end of the season littered with injuries and 3rd string Qb for the opposition that provided every break imaginable.  
2.  As imaginable as it was to imagine, Gase did an even worse job on year 2 as he did in year 1.  He took an undisciplined team and made it worse.  
 

it’s why he’s unemployed 

 

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1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

I Agree.

My point really was just combating this view that we can't go O at 23, 34 and 66 as it'll make things worse on the offense and harm our QB's development.  On that I call BS.

We can find starters at 23 in WR, RB or OL and then find another starter at WR, RB or OL at 34....and then land a rotational, high level development guy on offense at 66...We can go offense with those 3 picks and heavily help our young QB.  It's comical to say drafting offense with those three picks will harm our QB.

How'd it work out the last time we added two rookie 1st round picks to the OL?

 

It worked so well we decided never to do it again. 😜

I guess that was a little different - one of the guys was the top LT and a sure fire Day 1 starter. A tackle at 23 / 34 will carry a bit more risk. BUT ... this would be a RT, not a LT, so there's not that same blindside protector pressure.

I can see why some would worry about 2 rookie OL starters ... but I just don't see that happening. More likely it'll be 1 OL and one skill position - and any skill position player will far more a rotational guy rather than an every down guy. So it mitigates the risk quite a lot. 

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I am certainly not expecting a good team, but I think it is reasonable to expect a competitive team.  How many double digit losses did the Jets have under Gase?  The bottom line is they need to start showing some signs of improvement.  They need to start showing that they belong on the field.  They can't be completely outclassed every other week like they did for the past two seasons.

I am excited to see what Saleh and LaFleur bring to the table.  My hope is from a purely schematic standpoint there will be a noticeable improvement.

A large factor will be the rookie quarterback and how quickly he can become acclimated to the NFL game.  This isn't Sanchez walking into a complete team with a strong OL, running game, and defense.  The rookie quarterback is going to be thrown into the fire with a questionable at best supporting cast around him.  He's most likely going to have ups and down.

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we will be better but you need to define your definition of good.  It will start and end with the lines.  If the Oline is a lot better and we establish a running game we will be a lot better than most think.  If our d line gets to the qb and causes havoc the back of the defense will look better and we will be more competitive.  This will be a year of growth and improvement, weather 4 wins, 7 wins or 9 wins.  We need to see who will be worth keeping and who invest in.

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Follow up to “The Jets Aren't Going to be Good This Year” is “The Jets Have Two Picks In Each of the First Two Rounds Next Year and Cannot Fill All Their Needs In One Offseason So Consider What Needs To Be Addressed In The Short Term When Making Draft Plans”

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56 minutes ago, Jetty said:

Wasnt Rex a rookie coach with a rookie QB with new coordinators implementing a new system?

Yea, I was just wondering what Rex would do with this current bunch of Jet players then I stopped punching myself in the 'nads.

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If Zach Wilson is as great and fantastic as everyone keeps telling us, then why can’t the Jets be decent this year?   We’ve seen rookie QBs come in and play well right away, certainly a rookie with the arm talent that Wilson has should fare just as well.   
 

At what point are we allowed to expect to see competitive, winning football?   If the Jets only win 5 games this year it will be a massive failure on all parts.   

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I think people are really discounting just how terrible Gase was. Not to mention a barren roster after 4 years of complete drafting ineptitude at the hands of Macagnan. Takes time for the roster to be remade with actual nfl level players. Not saying we are all the way there, but two drafts, decent FA signings, and a coach who everyone seems to think actually is a nfl caliber coach could easily result in a 4-6 game swing.

Not saying they will be "good" but will at least be competitive/watchable.

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1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

The schedule was the biggest variable --

But we beat 2 playoff teams last season!  Rams and Browns.  In consecutive weeks!  With a worse roster than the year prior!

It wasn't the schedule and it wasn't the coaching.  

It's the GM.  He gutted our roster and replaced it with nothing.

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1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

He needs more than one year to turn it around. 

This is Year 3!  What's with you guys?  2017 and 2018 happened, they were announced rebuilding years.  2019 happened too, Douglas was here the whole season, cut players, brought in players.  You can't cancel Suck For Sam and you can't blame Gase.  The rebuild was well underway for years.  This mess is on Douglas.

He was here in Year 1 and brought in kickers and OL'men who sucked, couldn't get Osemele to play.  Then in Year 2, he had a crap FA period and a crap draft.  And now in Year 3 he had a crap FA period and who knows WTF will happen with the draft.

It is amazing.  You give Gase 4 measly weeks and you're going to give Douglas for long years?  Gase did a better job than Douglas has done.  Gase was handed garbage and Douglas given every luxury in the world including an 11 month head start on his first FA period and draft.  And the team went from 7-9 to 2-14.  Wake up!

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31 minutes ago, derp said:

Follow up to “The Jets Aren't Going to be Good This Year” is “The Jets Have Two Picks In Each of the First Two Rounds Next Year and Cannot Fill All Their Needs In One Offseason So Consider What Needs To Be Addressed In The Short Term When Making Draft Plans”

And “we have more cap room than anyone in history. We’re getting every top free agent!!”

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1 hour ago, slats said:

Yes, I think we can all agree that Joe Douglas should've just finished the job that Maccagnan started, rather than build it in his own vision. We all really liked Mac. 

Normal GM's are brought in to START the rebuild from scratch and get 2 MONTHS to prepare for their first draft.

Joe Douglas was brought in to FINISH the rebuild started two years prior and got 11 MONTHS to prepare for his first draft.

Christopher Johnson's 2017 rebuild announcement happened.  Maccagnan's gutting of the roster in 2017 and 2018 happened.  Suck For Sam happened.  Seasons-long cancel culture and scapegoating Adam Gase isn't going to work.  This mess is on Joe Douglas.  He was given a huge head start and $4M so we wouldn't be looking at back-to-back 2 win seasons.  And he f-ed it up.

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3 hours ago, SAR I said:

Why is it impossible to believe a) that I hoped Adam Gase would work because I was tired of rookie defensive head coaches and b) that I am disappointed in Joe Douglas because he was handed a rebuild in-progress and a $4M mulligan year and has done nothing but take a 7-9 team to 2-14?

These are both logical emotions from a Jets fan.  What's illogical is all this love for Joe Douglas.  It takes no genius to bulldoze a house; it takes a talented architect to build one.  It's been 3 years.  I'm tired of cement trucks.

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he had just one draft. give them the end of this year and if you dont see improvement from Hall, Mims and Davis then you can complain.

there is a reason JD got a 6 year deal, he knew it was going to be a long rebuild. and Woody was all in on it.

do you think Daniel LaRusso liked to wash Mr. Miyagis car? clean his house? but he trusted him and look what happened. 

give his plan a chance. he might be our Mr Miyagi. a lot of us including me dont agree with some of his moves, but give him time and we might be like WOW, his plan worked. he might turn this wimpy franchise into a kick a** one.

and honestly if i was JD, i would have teared this roster down too. if he fails here he will never get another GM job. so if hes going to go down he might have well go down with his own QB, his own HC, his own team.

 

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6 minutes ago, SAR I said:

This is Year 3!  What's with you guys?  2017 and 2018 happened, they were announced rebuilding years.  2019 happened too, Douglas was here the whole season, cut players, brought in players.  

He was here in Year 1 and brought in kickers and OL'men who sucked, couldn't get Osemele to play.  Then in Year 2, he had a crap FA period and a crap draft.  And now in Year 3 he had a crap FA period and who knows WTF will happen with the draft.

It is amazing.  You give Gase 4 measly weeks and you're going to give Douglas for long years?  Gase did a better job than Douglas has done.  Gase was handed garbage and Douglas given every luxury in the world including an 11 month head start on his first FA period and draft.  And the team went from 7-9 to 2-14.  Wake up!

SAR I

I admire your 10+ years dedication to your craft. I wasn’t sure how you’d reinvent yourself after Gase was fired but glad you’ve found your angle.

As for the OP.. A well coached, competitive team is the expectation. There’s going to be growing pains but there needs to be competence. I don’t think we’re a great team next year but we shouldn’t be bad.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jetty said:

Wasnt Rex a rookie coach with a rookie QB with new coordinators implementing a new system?

....who inherited a team that would have won the division and possibly the Super Bowl had Brett Favre not gotten injured at 8-3 on Thanksgiving.

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

1.  The 2019 Jets were not a 7 win team.  We were a team that benefited from a schedule over the end of the season that provided every break imaginable.  

It was a miracle, a great coaching job, that got that crappy injured team to win 6 of its last 8 games.  That team had every reason to crumble.  Gase got the best out of them.

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

2.  As imaginable as it was to imagine, Gase did an even worse job on year 2 as he did in year 1.  He took an undisciplined team and made it worse.  

The entire league believes the Jets have the worst set of players in the NFL.  You should too.  He took a team decimated by a bad GM stockpiling draft picks and cap space and beat 2 playoff teams in back-to-back weeks.  If you believe Gase got lucky in 2019 playing scrubs then you have to give him credit in 2020 for beating elites. 

Either way, its not about Gase here in 2021.  It's about Douglas.  So far, no good.  My mom could trade away and release players.  He's paid to get great players.  He's 0-3.  Two FA periods and one draft.  Not good.

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2 hours ago, SAR I said:

The tear down was well underway before Joe Douglas signed his contract.  The rebuild was announced by Christopher Johnson in early 2017:

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2017/09/20/jets-acting-owner-christopher-johnson-we-definitely-not-tanking/685527001/

That's 2 years before Douglas was hired.  Then Douglas had a luxury no other NFL GM has ever had-  he was hired immediately after the draft, he had 11 months to prepare for his first draft where most GM's are lucky to get 3.  We paid him $4,000,000 to hold a clipboard, study our roster, study NFL rosters, study NCAA rosters and come out blazing in 2020.  A mulligan of a season.  Unbelievable.

He had a bad 2020 FA period.  He had a weak 2020 draft.  He took a 7-9 team and made it 2-14.  He had a bad 2021 FA period.  And we're heading into a 2021 draft with 26 players on expired 1-year deals.  Half our team is going to be guys undrafted and league scrubs.  It's Douglas' 3rd year.  He didn't build on anything.  He's just tearing things down for 2 years after the prior GM tore things down for 2 years.  Eventually, he has to be called on it.  That time is now.

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SAR1 Diary:

2020: Be the only guy to gush about and praise Adam Gase. Then, if he turns out to be a good coach, I'll be the only one who said it.

2021: Be the only guy to bash GM Joe. Then, if he turns out to be a bad GM, I'll be the only one who said it.

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5 hours ago, k-met57 said:

thanks for the update.

The compelling fact here is not what is new.  It is what is old.  The owner.  Same owner, same nonsense.  Same bad results. 

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5 minutes ago, SAR I said:

It was a miracle, a great coaching job, that got that crappy injured team to win 6 of its last 8 games.  That team had every reason to crumble.  Gase got the best out of them.

The entire league believes the Jets have the worst set of players in the NFL.  You should too.  He took a team decimated by a bad GM stockpiling draft picks and cap space and beat 2 playoff teams in back-to-back weeks.  If you believe Gase got lucky in 2019 playing scrubs then you have to give him credit in 2020 for beating elites. 

Either way, its not about Gase here in 2021.  It's about Douglas.  So far, no good.  My mom could trade away and release players.  He's paid to get great players.  He's 0-3.  Two FA periods and one draft.  Not good.

SAR I

"The entire league" also was baffled at the hiring of Adam Gase, and thought he wasn't an NFL caliber coach.

Why do you give Gase the benefit of the doubt, who will almost surely never come close to being a NFL head coach ever again, but you sh*t on a guy who has had 1 draft, and has nothing but success to look back on, and is highly regarded throughout the league?

I mean I know why you do it, but i cant help myself.

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