Popular Post Tranquilo Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 This is from the Athletic. Not sure how much I could post but I’ll put in the draft stuff: [quote] @MikeyWMFree: If Joe Douglas doesn’t take an offensive lineman at No. 23 or No. 34, can he really say that protection is his biggest priority? Technically, you could make the argument that the value of the player selected there was too high to pass up. Example: The Jets have a top-10 grade on edge Azeez Ojulari, so they take him over a player like Alabama guard Landon Dickerson, whom they view as a late first-round selection. The same works if you replace Ojulari with a corner of your choosing. That’s the only way I can see the Jets not drafting an offensive lineman at No. 23. However, there is no way they can pass on a lineman at both No. 23 and No. 34. They just can’t do that. The Jets will implement a new zone-blocking scheme this year, much like the 49ers, which is a better fit for athletes like Mekhi Becton, Connor McGovern and George Fant. All three should see their play improve. But the Jets can’t gamble with Zach Wilson’s health and development by going into 2021 with the exact same five starting linemen, and expect a line-wide turnaround. Alex Lewis is a good swing player. He’s not an every-week starter. Same goes for Greg Van Roten. If they don’t take a lineman at No. 23, they have to at No. 34. Honestly, I wouldn’t rule out the Jets taking a guard at No. 23 and with one of their two third-round picks. They need to invest heavily in that front five. @LoneyJetsFan1: Is Caleb Farley worth the injury risk in the first or second round? Our Dane Brugler has Farley ranked as his No. 4 corner behind Patrick Surtain II, Jaycee Horn and Greg Newsome. There’s no chance Surtain drops out of the top 10, and the Jets would select Horn or Newsome before Farley in the first. The second … gets interesting. Douglas loves value, and he was with the Eagles when they took corner Sidney Jones in the second round. Jones was considered a top-15 pick before suffering a leg injury at his pro day. The Jets would certainly discuss it, but it really all comes down to other value. Asante Samuel Jr., another corner, should be there in the second, too, and is a scheme fit. @WhatsAWoogie: Is there a chance Joe Douglas trades up from No. 23? Absolutely. That’s the benefit of having 10 selections this year, along with 11 in 2022. I wouldn’t expect Douglas to trade into the top 15, but if the right player starts to slide, he might go up three to five spots to ensure he gets his guy. A couple names to watch, both linemen: Northwestern’s Rashawn Slater and USC’s Alijah Vera-Tucker. @TrotzMattyB13: How high could the Jets move up by trading the No. 23 pick and their second-round pick? The No. 23 pick holds a value of 760, while the Jets’ second-round pick (No. 34) is valued at 560. Combine the two: 1,320. Theoretically, that value could get the Jets all the way up to the Cowboys’ No. 10 pick (1,300). Don’t hold your breath on that, though. It’s highly unlikely Douglas parts with his second-rounder. Packaging No. 23, along with one of the Jets’ two third-rounders, is much more realistic. No. 23 and No. 66 comes out to a value of 1,020, while No. 23 and No. 86 is worth 920. The former could get the Jets as high as the Cardinals’ No. 16 pick (1,000), and the latter the Dolphins’ No. 18 pick (900). @TheRealLivePerl: What’s the latest on Cameron Clark? Clark is among the more asked-about players. From my understanding, he struggled mightily early in training camp before suffering an injury. There were some on last year’s coaching staff who thought he might be a bust. The good news: Clark improved significantly once he returned and started practicing on the scout team. His early issues were likely a result of no organized team activities or minicamp. That extra preparation would have benefited him quite a bit. He’ll be in the mix for a starting position this summer, but needs to show he improved quite a bit this offseason. Clark’s personal trainer is Duke Manyweather, who also works with Becton. We had him on the “Can’t Wait” podcast in December. Manyweather raved about Clark and his potential. You can listen to that episode here.[/quote] 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morrissey Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 At least Hughes is aware unlike many in the national media that OL is and should be priority. If I see another mock draft with a defensive player going 23 and 34 I'll shoot someone. 6 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 I wouldn't be giving up on Clark and I especially can't take anything last years staff says seriously. Give him some time and let him develop. But either way, keep drafting that OL pipeline. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 I don't buy the narrative that the Jets MUST take OL at #23 or #34. From everything I have read, there are plenty of projected mid rounders at OL who are good fits in a zone blocking scheme. I expect Joe Douglas to play this smart and take a good prospect or two where the true value lies. Becton, McGovern, and Fant are locks to start. Lewis, Van Roten, Feeney, and Clark are going to battle for the two OG spots. The Jets should absolutely continue to build the OL and take a couple of prospects in this draft, but by no means do they NEED to take one in the first or second round. In my opinion, they are going to focus on filling the pipeline for future years, not necessarily drafting for day 1 starters. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, DoubleDown said: I don't buy the narrative that the Jets MUST take OL at #23 or #34. From everything I have read, there are plenty of projected mid rounders at OL who are good fits in a zone blocking scheme. I expect Joe Douglas to play this smart and take a good prospect or two where the true value lies. Becton, McGovern, and Fant are locks to start. Lewis, Van Roten, Feeney, and Clark are going to battle for the two OG spots. The Jets should absolutely continue to build the OL and take a couple of prospects in this draft, but by no means do they NEED to take one in the first or second round. In my opinion, they are going to focus on filling the pipeline for future years, not necessarily draft for day 1 starters. You are absolutely correct that jd does not think that there is a problem Fant and McGovern are his signings why would he undercut his own moves Meanwhile when penei Sewell is an all pro and Zach wilson is on the IR, we can cry about that 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 I don't know if the Azeez Ojulari mention is an example or a nugget, but I was going to say that he's a guy I think the Jets will be very high on. Has character through the charts, was voted captain as a RS-Freshman, is only scratching the surface of his abilities. I think ideally Douglas would like to see a guy like him have 1 more year under his belt to refine his talent, get stronger, add healthy weight, but this isn't the year for splitting hairs... if you see a guy who checks most of the boxes, you have to take that player and develop them, even if it takes a whole year. I doubt he falls to 23, but he's someone I would think will be high up on their board. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, bitonti said: You are absolutely correct that jd does not think that there is a problem I do think the problem is a bit overblown on this board for two main reasons. The offensive line improved as the year went on and developed into a middle of the pack unit. This was expected for an offensive line with 4 of 5 new starters and no offseason to gel. Becton, McGovern, and Fant are all above average athletes for their positions and project well to a zone blocking scheme. As I said, they should continue to build up the offensive line and make some heavy investments in this area. But there is absolutely no mandate that they need day 1 starters or need to use a first or second round pick. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but it is not a necessity. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 Just now, DoubleDown said: I do think the problem is a bit overblown on this board for two main reasons. The offensive line improved as the year went on and developed into a middle of the pack unit. This was expect for an offensive line with 4 of 5 new starters and no offseason to gel. Becton, McGovern, and Fant are all above average athletes for their positions and project well to a zone blocking scheme. As I said, they should continue to build up the offensive line and make some heavy investments in this area. But there is absolutely no mandate that they need day 1 starters or need to use a first or second round pick. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but it is not a necessity. I don't know who started the rumor Fant was above average but it's wildly inaccurate. He's a back up swing tackle playing out of position. He got zero push in the run game. He's not even close to average. Mike McGlinchy is the model for this system 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, DoubleDown said: I do think the problem is a bit overblown on this board for two main reasons. The offensive line improved as the year went on and developed into a middle of the pack unit. This was expected for an offensive line with 4 of 5 new starters and no offseason to gel. Becton, McGovern, and Fant are all above average athletes for their positions and project well to a zone blocking scheme. As I said, they should continue to build up the offensive line and make some heavy investments in this area. But there is absolutely no mandate that they need day 1 starters or need to use a first or second round pick. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but it is not a necessity. There's a good supplemental article by Robert Mays on the Athletic. He talks about the situations the top 3 rookie QBs are going to go into, and he makes some good points, but what I took out of it is how the Bills built their line. The Jets went with a similar approach but the dudes Douglas signed haven't panned out. But in order to build the line, it's important to just get solid guys, you don't need superstars. And I think that's Douglas's approach. With Bector, McGovern and Fant you hope they can be that foundation that would allow them to make low key signings and draft picks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: There's a good supplemental article by Robert Mays on the Athletic. He talks about the situations the top 3 rookie QBs are going to go into, and he makes some good points, but what I took out of it is how the Bills built their line. The Jets went with a similar approach but the dudes Douglas signed haven't panned out. But in order to build the line, it's important to just get solid guys, you don't need superstars. And I think that's Douglas's approach. With Bector, McGovern and Fant you hope they can be that foundation that would allow them to make low key signings and draft picks. Agree to a point. I’d like us to take a RT with one of our first three picks. Start him at Guard and see if Fant does even better in the new zone block system. Then you can slide the draft pick to RT if Fant sucks or keep him at guard if Fant does even better. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, football guy said: I don't know if the Azeez Ojulari mention is an example or a nugget, but I was going to say that he's a guy I think the Jets will be very high on. Has character through the charts, was voted captain as a RS-Freshman, is only scratching the surface of his abilities. I think ideally Douglas would like to see a guy like him have 1 more year under his belt to refine his talent, get stronger, add healthy weight, but this isn't the year for splitting hairs... if you see a guy who checks most of the boxes, you have to take that player and develop them, even if it takes a whole year. I doubt he falls to 23, but he's someone I would think will be high up on their board. I think the character stuff is great and important but man, if there’s any position that physical tools are really important it’s the edge spot. I just don’t see it with Ojulari watching with him and the testing confirmed what I see. He’s not a bad athlete and the motor is nice but it’s mostly straight line stuff and he’s really light. There are a couple guys I could see rolling the dice on but that’s all any pick would be - this class is full of question marks. I’d really rather they just kick that down the curb a year. Lots of early picks and next year’s class looks good. And/or take Odeyingbo early day 3 and redshirt him after that injury. Big athletic captain who won’t eat up a roster spot. So many legitimate NFL players on that DL already. Even Turner or Basham earlier than I want them day 2 if they want a captain would be better than tossing up a Hail Mary drafting anyone in this class in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: Agree to a point. I’d like us to take a RT with one of our first three picks. Start him at Guard and see if Fant does even better in the new zone block system. Then you can slide the draft pick to RT if Fant sucks or keep him at guard if Fant does even better. Teven Jenkins would be ideal. I think I'd trade up for him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 Just what 3rd, 4th, 5th , 6th round olineman have the jets 'developed' into really good players over the last 15 years? Also can we get off this bull sh*t narrative that 'oh we have a new zone blocking scheme so we can just draft guys later in the draft.' Becton is the only current olineman we have worth spit and even he had a few issues last year. We need a great oline, not a fair, passable, oh we can get by, oline. All other positions, all of them (after we draft our QB) are secondary to the oline. From our pool of late 1st, 2nd, two 3rd rounders if we do not select at least two olineman then Douglas is just another schmuck pretender GM. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 59 minutes ago, Morrissey said: At least Hughes is aware unlike many in the national media that OL is and should be priority. If I see another mock draft with a defensive player going 23 and 34 I'll shoot someone. I think Casserly has the Jets picking the defensive end Rousseau with the #23rd pick. If the Jets did that, I would throw something at my TV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, DoubleDown said: I don't buy the narrative that the Jets MUST take OL at #23 or #34. From everything I have read, there are plenty of projected mid rounders at OL who are good fits in a zone blocking scheme. I expect Joe Douglas to play this smart and take a good prospect or two where the true value lies. Becton, McGovern, and Fant are locks to start. Lewis, Van Roten, Feeney, and Clark are going to battle for the two OG spots. The Jets should absolutely continue to build the OL and take a couple of prospects in this draft, but by no means do they NEED to take one in the first or second round. In my opinion, they are going to focus on filling the pipeline for future years, not necessarily drafting for day 1 starters. I think its better that the Jets take OL at 23 or 34, but it does appear that they are rolling with Becton, McGovern and Fant (T-C-T). So in a a perfect world the Jets would draft a T that could help at G this year. I do believe the Jets could find a G upgrade with the first pick in the third round, like Damien Lewis last year. In the mock drafts that I have played with, 23 is no man's land. AVT comes out to be the BPA there, almost every time. So the question is how much do we like him, and whether it is worth drafting a G there at 23. Not to sound prejudiced, but I do have a bias against USC players nowadays. I am just not sure they are developing the hard-nosed, mentally tough players the Jets need. I really don't like the EDGE guys generally in this class. JD wants tough players who love football. The UM guys, Ajulari, don't seem that way. Our EDGE needs to weigh 270 lbs and love football. Basham maybe is more the type. If my choice in this class was an EDGE, RB, AVT, or trading down, I am trading down. If a top 4 CB is there, including Farley, I would take him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post flgreen Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 IMO the best news in this article is that Becton is working with a trainer in the off-season. Clark too. If Becton makes a leap up, and Clark becomes a starter, whole different out look on the OL. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: Teven Jenkins would be ideal. I think I'd trade up for him. Lol. Was about to post that thought. Play him next to Beckon and huge running lanes will open up for whoever. No way we go into the season depending on Lewis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 mY laTeSt mOocK dRafF: 2. Zach Wilson QB BYU 23. Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State 34. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma 66. Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota State 86. Walker Little OT Stanford 113. James Hudson OT Cincinnati 146. Michael Menet OC Penn State 154. Drake Jackson OC Kentucky 186. Larry Borom OG Missouri 193. Jimmy Morrissey OC Pittsburgh 226. Dan Moore OT Texas A&M 4 1 2 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, bitonti said: I don't know who started the rumor Fant was above average but it's wildly inaccurate. He's a back up swing tackle playing out of position. He got zero push in the run game. He's not even close to average. Mike McGlinchy is the model for this system The statement was above average athlete for the position, not above average in general. It is yet to be determined how Fant will perform in a zone blocking scheme. In my opinion, he has a better skill set for a zone blocking scheme where athleticism is key vs. a man blocking scheme where size and strength are emphasized. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Just now, Integrity28 said: mY laTeSt mOocK dRafF: 2. Zach Wilson QB BYU 23. Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State 34. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma 66. Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota State 86. Walker Little OT Stanford 113. James Hudson OT Cincinnati 146. Michael Menet OC Penn State 154. Drake Jackson OC Kentucky 186. Larry Borom OG Missouri 193. Jimmy Morrissey OC Pittsburgh 226. Dan Moore OT Texas A&M I think you are trying to make a point with this one. Just not quite sure what it is, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: mY laTeSt mOocK dRafF: 2. Zach Wilson QB BYU 23. Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State 34. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma 66. Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota State 86. Walker Little OT Stanford 113. James Hudson OT Cincinnati 146. Michael Menet OC Penn State 154. Drake Jackson OC Kentucky 186. Larry Borom OG Missouri 193. Jimmy Morrissey OC Pittsburgh 226. Dan Moore OT Texas A&M I was really hoping on landing a qb from Eastern Saginaw County Community College with the 4th rounder, tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: mY laTeSt mOocK dRafF: 2. Zach Wilson QB BYU 23. Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State 34. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma 66. Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota State 86. Walker Little OT Stanford 113. James Hudson OT Cincinnati 146. Michael Menet OC Penn State 154. Drake Jackson OC Kentucky 186. Larry Borom OG Missouri 193. Jimmy Morrissey OC Pittsburgh 226. Dan Moore OT Texas A&M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: Teven Jenkins would be ideal. I think I'd trade up for him. I can see them moving up to 20 to get him, ahead of Indy and tenn, but not going any higher. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s plan A, and plan B is trading back b/c the value at 23 would be cb. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Its so funny..... A guy is a reporter. Suddenly he is looked at as some kind of expert or guru, just because he writes sports articles. The guy's opinion is no more or less valuable than the average poster here 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 Just now, HighPitch said: Its so funny..... A guy is a reporter. Suddenly he is looked at as some kind of expert or guru, just because he writes sports articles. The guy's opinion is no more or less valuable than the average poster here No one is saying he's an expert or guru. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, freestater said: I was really hoping on landing a qb from Eastern Saginaw County Community College with the 4th rounder, tbh. LOL a lot of people would laugh you off but youve probably ensure a top 5 offensive line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Just now, Tranquilo said: No one is saying he's an expert or guru. but they are asking HIM. not you 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Tranquilo said: No one is saying he's an expert or guru. And I am not bashing you for posting it. I am just saying, who is conner hughs and why does anyone care about what he thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 The best news out of Hughes article is that Gase's coaches think Clark is a bust. Boys, JD drafted the next John Hannah.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: mY laTeSt mOocK dRafF: 2. Zach Wilson QB BYU 23. Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State 34. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma 66. Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota State 86. Walker Little OT Stanford 113. James Hudson OT Cincinnati 146. Michael Menet OC Penn State 154. Drake Jackson OC Kentucky 186. Larry Borom OG Missouri 193. Jimmy Morrissey OC Pittsburgh 226. Dan Moore OT Texas A&M Only one OG? Way to neglect the position 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, DoubleDown said: The statement was above average athlete for the position, not above average in general. It is yet to be determined how Fant will perform in a zone blocking scheme. In my opinion, he has a better skill set for a zone blocking scheme where athleticism is key vs. a man blocking scheme where size and strength are emphasized. If pff grades are to be believed, Becton's average about 32nd out of the 64 starting tackles. Fant is in the 50s somewhere McGovern was below average according to the pff so essentially, the Jets have one decent lineman and a bunch of folks who probably don't start on other teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tranquilo Posted April 22, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, bitonti said: If pff grades are to be believed, Becton's average about 32nd out of the 64 starting tackles. Fant is in the 50s somewhere McGovern was below average according to the pff so essentially, the Jets have one decent lineman and a bunch of folks who probably don't start on other teams As long as we believe PFF grades, we believe their Zach Wilson grades too, right? 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, bitonti said: You are absolutely correct that jd does not think that there is a problem Fant and McGovern are his signings why would he undercut his own moves Meanwhile when penei Sewell is an all pro and Zach wilson is on the IR, we can cry about that I guess using your logic we’ll see how afraid he is of undercutting his signings after the draft. Im not buying it. It’s why you insist on a 6 year contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetblue95 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, HighPitch said: And I am not bashing you for posting it. I am just saying, who is conner hughs and why does anyone care about what he thinks why are you reading, let alone posting, in a thread titled connor hughes mailbag stuff, if you don't care about connor hughes' opinion/articles? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, nycdan said: Only one OG? Way to neglect the position But look at all the depth he piled up at T!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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