Why the Jets will trade CJ Mosley in the coming days

[bitonti]

23 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Because he was drafted by a team that runs a 3-4? 

He also played a 3-4 at Bama and runs a 4.6

Hes too big and slow for a 4-3

The Jets love to make this trade (or any trade) because it brings them closer to the cap without having to cut a check 

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, nycdan said:

Same.  Not sure what happened, but many RBs just hit a wall at some point (other than Frank Gore apparently).  Mosley should have several years of peak play left based on age and mileage.  Whether the time off has broken him is hard to guess, but many players come back from ACLs, for example, which cost them at least an entire season, and play fine.  He was so damned good before the injury that I'm hopeful he can be most of, if not all of that guy again.

Yeah I think he and everyone else underestimated how well Steelers accentuated his talents. AB keeping defenses back, line creating holes making the most of his vision and Big Ben being Big Ben. I guess he was kind of a system running beck in a sense? 

[The Crusher]

Just now, bitonti said:

He also played a 3-4 at Bama and runs a 4.6

Hes too big and slow for a 4-3

The Jets love to make this trade (or any trade) because it brings them closer to the cap without having to cut a check 

That’s funny, you actually gave a very good reason to trade him but still slipped in your “ Bevus and Butthead Johnson are cheap fvckers” zing in. Well done. Looking forward to this draft with you Bit! 

[Lith]

I can't see trading him right now, when his value is lowest.  If a Mosley trade is going to happen, I think it would be much more likely to be at the trade deadline.  We don't need cap space now.  He hasn't played in two years.  So do we trade him for a 3 day pick now, or let him get back on the field, give him a chance to show that he still has something left, and if he could help a contender, we might be able to get more for him during the season.  Or, if he gets back on the field, and plays well, maybe we keep him.

No need to make a decision now, unless someone blows us away with compensation.  

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Yeah I think he and everyone else underestimated how well Steelers accentuated his talents. AB keeping defenses back, line creating holes making the most of his vision and Big Ben being Big Ben. I guess he was kind of a system running beck in a sense? 

Got me.  The whole "he is so patient back there waiting for holes" thing always made me uneasy.  I'm old school.  I like guys who make their own holes.  Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Marshawn Lynch types.  Not that I don't dig the Barry Sanders cheat mode guys also, but when you absolutely, positively need two yards on 3rd and short, there is no substitute for power running.  

Pete Carroll, are you listening you f*ing idiot?

 

[FidelioJet]

51 minutes ago, nycdan said:

What FA is out there worth near that amount of coin?

This.

We already can't spend the money we have on quality players.

Anyone worth anything is gone.  

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Got me.  The whole "he is so patient back there waiting for holes" thing always made me uneasy.  I'm old school.  I like guys who make their own holes.  Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Marshawn Lynch types.  Not that I don't dig the Barry Sanders cheat mode guys also, but when you absolutely, positively need two yards on 3rd and short, there is no substitute for power running.  

Pete Carroll, are you listening you f*ing idiot?

 

That’s why I really like Najee Harris!

[Butterfield]

I have posted this thought a few times,

#23, Fatukasi and Mosley

for #35, 68, Deion Jones, Mykal Walker.
 

The traded players all fit better on their new teams.  Jones and Walker played under Ulbrich and Mosley played under Dean Pees.  

[Jet2020]

it’s completely unfathomable that people think 19 mil over 2 years for an all-pro caliber LB is overpaying and untradeable. At 9.5mil average for 2 years, give me Mosley every time!

[nycdan]

7 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

That’s why I really like Najee Harris!

He is intriguing.  Something about him makes me think of AP.  I would not hesitate to draft AP at #34 or even #23.  

He is a bit bigger than AP though.  Ironically, the guy his H/W matches almost exactly is his namesake, Franco.

[Jet2020]

16 minutes ago, bitonti said:

He also played a 3-4 at Bama and runs a 4.6

Hes too big and slow for a 4-3

The Jets love to make this trade (or any trade) because it brings them closer to the cap without having to cut a check 

We just had the second highest available cap space in the league when the FA started. If we have to cut players to get closer to the cap in a rebuild year, the GM needs to be fired. 

[JetPotato]

56 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Mosely has never played in a 4-3 for a reason.  This is Mangini trying to make D-Rob and Vilma 3-4 players all over again

The reason CJ Mosely has never played in a 4-3 is because he has never been on a team than ran a 4-3.

[Biggs]

Best player on the team until proven otherwise. 

[Gibby]

Just get him and his salary off the team. He’s played three quarters in two years. He is an absolute zero in my book. He has done nothing for this team and should be completely forgotten about. 
 

 

[bitonti]

14 minutes ago, Jet2020 said:

We just had the second highest available cap space in the league when the FA started. If we have to cut players to get closer to the cap in a rebuild year, the GM needs to be fired. 

The cutting of cj mosely makes future cap but ironically making this move in the short term costs cap space 

This is the Jets favorite use of the cap space. Trading or cutting assets gets them over the floor without actually paying anyone 

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

The reason CJ Mosely has never played in a 4-3 is because he has never been on a team than ran a 4-3.

This is similar logic as "the Jets haven't handed out a second deal to a first Rd pick since mo Wilkerson because they haven’t drafted anyone worth it" 

It's chicken / egg stuff 

If he was a 4-3 specialist in high school he might not have been interested in Bama 

[The Crusher]

18 minutes ago, nycdan said:

He is intriguing.  Something about him makes me think of AP.  I would not hesitate to draft AP at #34 or even #23.  

He is a bit bigger than AP though.  Ironically, the guy his H/W matches almost exactly is his namesake, Franco.

Yeah, same here. But probably no chance with the system they will install. Defiantly one reason to watch. I’m turning it on after the silly pick of Zach

[Beerfish]

55 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Absolutely elite LB, who was injured for the first time in his career and then decided not to put his body at risk for a team that literally set records for ineptness and whose coach was a complete a$$hole in every sense of the word.

Mosley is actually an excellent fit for this defense as he excels in zone coverage - as he clearly showed throughout his career in Baltimore and his one  game here where he was by far the best defensive player on the field.  

On top of all that, trading him would leave holes at both starting LB spots in a draft where we need to find players on offense to help a rookie QB.

Thankfully JD knows better then to move mosley.

The bolded part is supposed to excuse his absence.

Worst FA ever for the Jets, money grabbing dog player like almost all big fa jet signings.

[bitonti]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The bolded part is supposed to excuse his absence.

Worst FA ever for the Jets, money grabbing dog player like almost all big fa jet signings.

The highest paid player on the Jets every year is always a free agent. Trumaine Johnson. LeVeon Bell. 

And when those guys stink they accept the cap penalty and carry dead space that's less money on players 

Meanwhile robby Anderson, Andre Roberts, Jason Myers and demario Davis walk 

Because somehow in the cap vagueries, it's preferable to cut mistakes than to keep reorganizing your stars 

[Dcat]

17 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

The reason CJ Mosely has never played in a 4-3 is because he has never been on a team than ran a 4-3.

Mosely is definitely not a good fit as MLB in a 4-3.   He could very well be gone in a day or so or any time leading up to the summer.

[Barkus]

I don’t think he will be traded. Why take a 6million cap hit to have him play for someone else? He will likely be cut after the season. If he shows he remembers how to play football again they might bring him back with a paycut. Even if he is the second coming of mike singletary nobody is paying him 17million in 2022.

[Dcat]

34 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The cutting of cj mosely makes future cap but ironically making this move in the short term costs cap space 

This is the Jets favorite use of the cap space. Trading or cutting assets gets them over the floor without actually paying anyone 

Same old false narrative that you've been spouting here for years.  The spreading of misinformation has become an art form.

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

That’s funny, you actually gave a very good reason to trade him but still slipped in your “ Bevus and Butthead Johnson are cheap fvckers” zing in. Well done. Looking forward to this draft with you Bit! 

that's just Bit's stale bit.  It's his calling card. And about as hackneyed as possible.  

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, nycdan said:

Same.  Not sure what happened, but many RBs just hit a wall at some point (other than Frank Gore apparently).  Mosley should have several years of peak play left based on age and mileage.  Whether the time off has broken him is hard to guess, but many players come back from ACLs, for example, which cost them at least an entire season, and play fine.  He was so damned good before the injury that I'm hopeful he can be most of, if not all of that guy again.

Yeah I think it'll be what it'll be. 30 isn't at all old for a MLB (or any LB). It's common for it to be significant at positions like RB or CB when losing that extra half-step makes all the difference, but for a LB? Meh.

He's surely healed up, I'm not worried about that. But what's a legit concern is what he'll be after no action since the 2019 season, after only negligible action in that season as it was. 

I don't know why someone else would trade for him, though. Not before the draft or even at least a preseason game anyway. Even if another team felt it was a better scheme fit for him, they'd still have those same concerns. It's possible, sure, but odds are the Jets will just have to suck this one up & hope for the best. 

[JetPotato]

50 minutes ago, bitonti said:

This is similar logic as "the Jets haven't handed out a second deal to a first Rd pick since mo Wilkerson because they haven’t drafted anyone worth it" 

It's chicken / egg stuff 

If he was a 4-3 specialist in high school he might not have been interested in Bama 

You're pulling stuff out of thin air. My original statement is simply a fact that remains unchanged by any twists.

[JetPotato]

39 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Mosely is definitely not a good fit as MLB in a 4-3.   He could very well be gone in a day or so or any time leading up to the summer.

He could also very well still be here and playing a high percentage of downs. In my opinion, the latter is much more likely.

[Bruce Harper]

Why would anyone else want to take on that salary, or even a large portion of it.  I think we're stuck with the guy but I'm still hoping he is going to be a big part of the defense.

[choon328]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

The premise of the thread is that the Jets will trade Mosley, but all the reasons you think the Jets will trade him are the reasons teams won't want him.  Missing two seasons with a huge contrat due that will still have a ton of dead money?  Possibly a limited scheme fit?  Are NFL GMs lining up?  I'm not sure you can really walk away from him without a huge cap hit until 2023.

Any team trading for him will only have $8 million in guaranteed money for 2022. That's all that remains for an acquiring team

[Integrity28]

2 hours ago, Jets723 said:

Yeah it would  have to be in a trade up scenario I would think 

I guess we could package #23 and Mosely to move back, but it might get someone fired.

[choon328]

If the Jets keep Moseley they are gambling with $8 million in cap space next year that a 29 year old MLB who has been off for two years will come back right away and play at an All-Pro level. He can be cut after the season with $8 million in dead money and $9.5 million in savings or trade him now and save the entire $17.5 million next year. Is that a gamble JD is willing to take????

[docdhc]

2 hours ago, Shockwave said:

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2021/03/15/ny-jets-c-j-mosley-trade-wont-easy-but-could-happen/4709105001/

Were going to have a 30 year old 3-4 LB in a 4-3 system that we're going to get stuck paying 17.5m next year if he is not traded. Combine that with a small cap hit of 6m this year for the team trading him and he's somewhat attractive.

For 17m we could land any FA we want. The Jets already leaked teams have called about him. Look for this to happen even if it's for a 5th or 6th rounder. 

 

How about we let the all pro play a few games for us before getting rid of him for next to nothing?

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

that's just Bit's stale bit.  It's his calling card. And about as hackneyed as possible.  

nah you guys are right the Jets have as much cap space as Jacksonville and Cincinnati because they are committed to winning 

is there a dividend being sent to the season ticket holders with all the extra unused cap space? 

if i were a rich man (la-la-la) i'd spend to the cap every year

why wouldn't you? because of a cap decrease that never happens? 

[Dcat]

24 minutes ago, bitonti said:

nah you guys are right the Jets have as much cap space as Jacksonville and Cincinnati because they are committed to winning 

is there a dividend being sent to the season ticket holders with all the extra unused cap space? 

if i were a rich man (la-la-la) i'd spend to the cap every year

why wouldn't you? because of a cap decrease that never happens? 

What are you talking about?  The majority of teams don't spend to the cap every year.  I showed you this with data from OTC many months ago.  You totally ignored.  And here we go again.  You're denial of blatant facts almost makes this like a political argument.  Done. Back to the orig.  topic anyway.  Go Jets.

[Biggs]

40 minutes ago, choon328 said:

If the Jets keep Moseley they are gambling with $8 million in cap space next year that a 29 year old MLB who has been off for two years will come back right away and play at an All-Pro level. He can be cut after the season with $8 million in dead money and $9.5 million in savings or trade him now and save the entire $17.5 million next year. Is that a gamble JD is willing to take????

Next year the cap is going up by a bazillion dollars.   8 million for a rotational player when you have a QB on a rookie deal is reasonable.  

[Greenbloodblitz]

 A lot of good input from everybody and I happen to agree with most of it from both sides.

On one hand would you even call CJ Mosley a Jet? He played three quarters of a game 2 years ago. And yes there is a huge difference between 3-4 and 4-3 linebackers. I can't really say I would mind if they just jettisoned his ass on principle. Maybe it's just a statement that the old regime and moves that were made we're ass backwards and their saying we're not f****** around anymore.

Also.. after such a funky year, and all the overlapping of GM's and coaches for the last decade, I feel like the Jets right now are almost an expansion team. New offense, new defense, new coaches. Where does CJ Mosley fit? Can they move him to Edge? 

I think our new head coach is going to take some of the players we have on the roster and change their position.

Has any body even heard Boo from Mosley about anything? That's a lot of money man and this guy is like a black eye. It's like buying a Corvette that ran for three days and has been sitting in the garage for 2 years. 

Lastly Kim Jones from NFL Network has repeatedly said that Douglas and Salah have had disagreements. I wonder if what to do with CJ Mosley is one of them?

That's my peace.