Jets made worst trade of draft?

[Rhg1084]

 

 

[Wit]

They had Vera ticket ranked seven so in their eyes they got the number one and number 7 player in the draft and have you two thirds to get it. Darrisaw is a tackle and we needed a guard, so for us it was worth it. 

[New York Mick]

It wasn’t a good trade but they got the players they wanted 

[Rhg1084]

Vikes got Darrishaw, Mond, and Wyatt Davis. Jets still had to pull the trigger IMO even tho if the lost the trade according to the “trade value chart” 

[Rhg1084]

2 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

It wasn’t a trade but they got the players they wanted 

What you mean “it wasn’t a trade”?

[New York Mick]

Just now, Rhg1084 said:

What you mean “it wasn’t a trade”?

A good trade 

[Jamax99]

Raiders scewed up , they took a 2nd round player instead of Darrisaw ,  if that happened , Vikes miss out of Tucker and Darrisaw for sure.   But i still think Tucker will be a pro bowl guard.   He can also play LT if Becton goes down. 

[Bosleyjet74]

We gave up 2 3rd round picks when we traded for nine places when Chicago only few places ahead of us jumped up nine places and  gave up a 5th this year plus next years 1st and 4th. I know what I would prefer to give up to get the player they wanted 

[Larz]

Yeah when Mt. Becton and AVT push people into the end zone for a key rushing TD we’ll all remember the trade value chart ?

[Lith]

If he starts next to Becton for the next decade, and together they protect Wilson's blind side and open running lanes, then I couldn't care less what some analytics nerd thinks of the pick.

[Bruce Harper]

9 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

 

Should I know who Seth Walder is?  I'm guessing he hasn't watched a lot of Jets games over the last couple of years.

[Jamax99]

1 minute ago, Bosleyjet74 said:

We gave up 2 3rd round picks when we traded for nine places when Chicago only few places ahead of us jumped up nine places and  gave up a 5th this year plus next years 1st and 4th. I know what I would prefer to give up to get the player they wanted 

Excatly, when trade was annouced i thought a first next year,  for sure.    But only 2 3s  and you get a 4 back  that was great to move up 9 spots in first.   DARRISAW fell because of Raiders have no clue how to draft.  Taking a player that was a 2round grade. 

[Lith]

1 minute ago, Bruce Harper said:

Should I know who Seth Walder is?  I'm guessing he hasn't watched a lot of Jets games over the last couple of years.

ESPN Analytics guy.  Used to write for one of the local papers.  I think maybe NYDN.

[RSJ]

Doesnt this guy know the Jets do no wrong?


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[Jet Life]

It was a 45 point loss on the trade chart to go get a plug and play LG with pro bowl potential. Great trade 

[clayton163v]

7 minutes ago, Jamax99 said:

Raiders scewed up , they took a 2nd round player instead of Darrisaw ,  if that happened , Vikes miss out of Tucker and Darrisaw for sure.   But i still think Tucker will be a pro bowl guard.   He can also play LT if Becton goes down. 

I do not know about all that.  But the dingbat move of the entire draft was the Raiders taking Leatherwood at 16.  Even if you believe that he is a sure starter, you still must take into account what the rest of the league is thinking.  They could have moved back ten to twenty spots - if not more - and still gotten him. 

If that had happened here the board would be in full meltdown.  Ourlads gave him a 3d round grade and sees him as a guard.  As do I.  And I like him a lot. 

[BigRy56]

Lol. Give me a break

[RSJ]

This is going to be a fun place when Barmore is shoving AVT into Zach Wilsons face.


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[Untouchable]

What an ignorant slut

[SayNoToDMC]

Who the **** is Seth Walder?

[David Harris]

If AVT is as good as proposed this will be one of the best trades in Jets history. Legitimate chance to be a Blue chip 10 year starter protecting young FQB.

Darrisaw reportedly had issues causing him to drop. Did not finish blocks and has motivation concerns.

 

 

[Doggin94it]

9 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Should I know who Seth Walder is?  I'm guessing he hasn't watched a lot of Jets games over the last couple of years.

Used to be a Jets beat reporter

[undertow]

Analytic nerds have ruined baseball and now they have brainwashed people into caring more about how many mid rounds picks you have instead of just drafting pro bowl players....must be a miserable time. lol

[Lith]

2 minutes ago, undertow said:

Analytic nerds have ruined baseball and now they have brainwashed people into caring more about how many mid rounds picks you have instead of just drafting pro bowl players....must be a miserable time. lol

I blame Jimmy Johnson and his draft chart.  Everyone immediately grades these trades based on some subjective assignments of poitns to each pick.  But if the player you move up for, AVT in this case, turns out to be as good as JD thinks, it is a good trade, regardless of "points."  If the player busts, it is a bad trade, again, regardless of what the chart says.

It was a steep ptice to pay, but with a rookie QB under center, and after seeing the way we failed to support Darnold the last few years, I am glad we got him.

[undertow]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

I blame Jimmy Johnson and his draft chart.  Everyone immediately grades these trades based on some subjective assignments of poitns to each pick.  But if the player you move up for, AVT in this case, turns out to be as good as JD thinks, it is a good trade, regardless of "points."  If the player busts, it is a bad trade, again, regardless of what the chart says.

It was a steep ptice to pay, but with a rookie QB under center, and after seeing the way we failed to support Darnold the last few years, I am glad we got him.

Im pretty sure the Jimmy Johnson trade chart was virtually even....off by 40 points or something.   Being upset by that trade makes zero sense to me.

[DepressedJetsFan23]

I’d rather take the better player with a higher chance of working out than the slimmer chance of two thirds working out but I understand I’m not NFL gm 

[Lith]

4 minutes ago, undertow said:

Im pretty sure the Jimmy Johnson trade chart was virtually even....off by 40 points or something.   Being upset by that trade makes zero sense to me.

Agreed. It was.  We "lost" the trade by about 40 points.  But if we made the same deal to move to 13 instead of 14, and take the same player, and give up the same resources, suddenly it is a good trade.  We paid the same price and got the same player.  Evaluating these trades on draft day based on the chart is meaningless. 

[Beerfish]

It was a costly trade but was well worth it.

Also the jets trade with KC later on was much worse, it was bewildering.

[Icer]

If AVT looks as promising as Becton no one will give a sh*t that we gave up 2 3rd's to secure him

[undertow]

4 minutes ago, Lith said:

Agreed. It was.  We "lost" the trade by about 40 points.  But if we made the same deal to move to 13 instead of 14, and take the same player, and give up the same resources, suddenly it is a good trade.  We paid the same price and got the same player.  Evaluating these trades on draft day based on the chart is meaningless. 

It's taking analytics to an absurd level...the equivalent of taking your ace starter out of game 7 in the WS in the 5th because a piece of paper says so.

[BornJetsFan1983]

42 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

 

Typical jets hate...like guys giving us b rating for picking wilson in the first...but an A for jax picking Trevor...

Just like pats always makes the right move even though they have been terrible drafting etc .

It's just wins and losses. People forget jets winning the AFC E twice those years we were not getting hot the hate...but you lose and lose and lose...then have a coach like Gase that makes you look like the worst team ever in the NFL...you get guys like this who day a really good move for the jets is bad.

You could argue we should not have moved up but you can't argue us getting a top 10 player at a position of need is a bad thing.

This twitter dude is a dumb ass

[HawkeyeJet]

My problem with this Seth Walder take is he's an analytics guy(no problem with that part), but this isn't based on analytics.  He just doesn't like it's for a guard.  The "numbers" would point to much more costly trades than the Jets made.

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

My problem with this Seth Walder take is he's an analytics guy(no problem with that part), but this isn't based on analytics.  He just doesn't like it's for a guard.  The "numbers" would point to much more costly trades than the Jets made.

Yeah that just shows you how much analytics really mean if you don't know what you are doing or context ..we def needed a gaurd

[Lith]

Here is a different view.  Think I would trust this guy's take on OL before Seth Walder.

 

[Morrissey]

We got a great player no doubt but we really overpaid for him. Going from 2 3rd rounders to none really sucked.