nycdan Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: Carl Lawson had 8.5 sacks in his best season and is coming off an Achilles injury. Who knows if he'll ever be as effective as he was before which wasn't dominant. Bryan Thomas had 8.5 sacks in a season. This defense is based on having big time edge rushers. That's the most important piece to add this off-season imo. One, absolutely. Two, not IMO. If Lawson comes back healthy, you have a 1st round draft pick subbing in on maybe 5-10 plays per game. As opposed to a starting LB or DB that is helping on every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, nycdan said: One, absolutely. Two, not IMO. If Lawson comes back healthy, you have a 1st round draft pick subbing in on maybe 5-10 plays per game. As opposed to a starting LB or DB that is helping on every play. Draft picks are lottery tickets. Lawson coming back and being the same guy is not even close to a guarantee. The defensive scheme relies on top tier pass rushers and is garbage without them. Pass rushers rotate to stay fresh. If we end up in a situation where we have more pass rushers than available snaps that's an absolute best case scenario and a great problem to have IMO. What's more likely is at least one draft pick doesn't pan out and Lawson isn't the same guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 16 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: Carl Lawson had 8.5 sacks in his best season and is coming off an Achilles injury. Who knows if he'll ever be as effective as he was before which wasn't dominant. Bryan Thomas had 8.5 sacks in a season. This defense is based on having big time edge rushers. That's the most important piece to add this off-season imo. Look deeper than just sacks. In 2020 he had 44 pressures and 26 qb knock downs. Good for 2nd in the league. He didn’t have help last year to help secure the sacks because the qb could just move in the pocket. Pairing him with quinnen, jfm, and a rookie those pressures will be very impactful. If you go soley based on sacks then Vic Beasley would be amazing. There’s a massive difference between coverage sacks and creating pressure and hurries. Jordan Jenkins got 8 sacks 2 years in a row. They were mostly coverage sacks and he was terrible at rushing the qb. Look at how he’s doing now. There’s a bunch of guys like that, another example is bud Dupree who greatly benefited from tj watt. Dupree got an 80 mil contract because the titans were fooled into thinking he’s good when he’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, BurntDice said: Look deeper than just sacks. In 2020 he had 44 pressures and 26 qb knock downs. Good for 2nd in the league. He didn’t have help last year to help secure the sacks because the qb could just move in the pocket. Pairing him with quinnen, jfm, and a rookie those pressures will be very impactful. If you go soley based on sacks then Vic Beasley would be amazing. There’s a massive difference between coverage sacks and creating pressure and hurries. Jordan Jenkins got 8 sacks 2 years in a row. They were mostly coverage sacks and he was terrible at rushing the qb. Look at how he’s doing now. There’s a bunch of guys like that, another example is bud Dupree who greatly benefited from tj watt. Dupree got an 80 mil contract because the titans were fooled into thinking he’s good when he’s not. Looks like the Jets outsmarted the league again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 33 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Looks like the Jets outsmarted the league again. I’m not saying that Lawson will be great or anything, just that sacks are a very surface level statistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hutchinson falls to 4, then we pickup a 2023 first round pick from the Steelers moving down to the middle of the 1st and also snag Linderbaum. 4. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE Michigan 15. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 36. Jaquan Brisker S Penn State 39. Isaiah Likely TE Coastal Carolina 68. Henry To'o To'o LB Alabama 109. Trey McBride TE Colorado State 111. Brian Asamoah II LB Oklahoma 2023 PIT 1st 2023 PIT 4th Trade Details Received: Pick 7 - Matt Corral Received: Pick 15 2023 PIT 1st 2023 PIT 4th Top 3 went like this: 1. Kayvon Thibodeaux EDGE Oregon 2. Andrew Booth Jr. CB Clemson 3. Evan Neal OT Alabama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Took a run at one of these this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4. Kenyon Green OG Texas A&M 7. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 36. Trent McDuffie CB Washington 39. Brandon Smith LB Penn State 68. Sam Williams EDGE Mississippi 109. Owen Pappoe LB Auburn 111. Cade Otton TE Washington 146. George Pickens WR Georgia 157. Charlie Kolar TE Iowa State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: 4. Kenyon Green OG Texas A&M 7. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 36. Trent McDuffie CB Washington 39. Brandon Smith LB Penn State 68. Sam Williams EDGE Mississippi 109. Owen Pappoe LB Auburn 111. Cade Otton TE Washington 146. George Pickens WR Georgia 157. Charlie Kolar TE Iowa State 2 interior linemen top 7? That's.... a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, chirorob said: 2 interior linemen top 7? That's.... a lot I wanted to improve the D, by keeping them off the field. I was gonna trade down and pick Linderbaum later in the first round, but the trades are not realistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: I wanted to improve the D, by keeping them off the field. I was gonna trade down and pick Linderbaum later in the first round, but the trades are not realistic. I just adjust the trades to more realistic ones if they are too far in my favor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, sec101row23 said: Took a run at one of these this morning. Just curious, what receivers were on the board when you took London? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Just curious, what receivers were on the board when you took London? All of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: All of them. i don’t see them taking london, they like the smaller quicker wrs. It will be interesting to see those wr 40 times. The jets can really add a burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: i don’t see them taking london, they like the smaller quicker wrs. It will be interesting to see those wr 40 times. The jets can really add a burner. They brought in Davis and Cole who are both 6’ plus. Cole probably isn’t coming back. You can’t have a group of WRs all under 5’10”. Besides, London can work all of the levels of the defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 I don't know enough about college players to even attempt a mock draft. Pick 1 - EDGE Pick 2 - Ball hawk CB Pick 3 - Ball hawk Safety Pick 4 - EDGE Pick 5- TE Pick 6- TE Pick 7 - Project OL Pick 8 - WR Pick 9 - Kicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Augustiniak said: i don’t see them taking london, they like the smaller quicker wrs. It will be interesting to see those wr 40 times. The jets can really add a burner. Agreed. Wilson from Ohio and Williams from Alabama are more scheme fits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Traded #7 for #18.#48,#80 and a 23 2nd from the Browns. I was hoping to get Devin Lloyd at 18 but he went before Traded up from 49 and #111 to move up to #43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 14 hours ago, sec101row23 said: They brought in Davis and Cole who are both 6’ plus. Cole probably isn’t coming back. You can’t have a group of WRs all under 5’10”. Besides, London can work all of the levels of the defense. I don’t doubt london’s ability. I am merely predicting that if they go wr in round 1, they would pick a wr from ohio state or Alabama over London, especially if the 40 times are good. I can easily see douglas being seduced by top speed by wrs from top programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 kind of went away from what ive been doing and tried to nail down some needs vs BPA here As much as i want to pump up LB, i have a real suspicion the FO believes in Quincy as that guy they can develop going forward along with Hamsa and Sherwood, so I didnt pull the trigger on the first round talent instead i added guys for depth and development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 7. George Karlaftis EDGE Purdue 16. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 36. Isaiah Likely TE Coastal Carolina 39. Carson Strong QB Nevada 50. Brandon Smith LB Penn State 56. Jahan Dotson WR Penn State 68. Arnold Ebiketie EDGE Penn State 109. Brian Asamoah II LB Oklahoma 111. Chris Autman-Bell WR Minnesota 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 All in on defense, time to inject some playmakers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 This is first three rounds. Traded back from 7 to 9 and picked up the extra third rounded. I don't see any way Nakobe Dean is there at 36 (didn't plan on taking a LB) but value was too good to pass up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Is the pfn mock simulator not the best? I mock 10x a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Sign me up for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I’m starting to do the simulators for the 1st time this year and I’m really starting to want Garrett Wilson with the Seahawks pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I just messed around with a few simulations and I hate this draft. Hate it. Right now, I think I'd trade out of both picks and go quantity of top quality because I dont see the top end quality being that amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 40 minutes ago, JiFapono said: I just messed around with a few simulations and I hate this draft. Hate it. Right now, I think I'd trade out of both picks and go quantity of top quality because I dont see the top end quality being that amazing. Same the guys in the top 8 aren’t really that much better than 8-45. I’d trade down both picks in a heartbeat. Depending on how this draft falls we might have a shot at thib/hutch. The Texans and jags are playing this week and I only see us winning 1 more game. That’ll put us at pick 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Using the PFN simulator 1st round: OT Evan Neal - Alabama 1st round: EDGE George Karlaftis - Purdue 2nd round: LB Brandon Smith - Penn State 2nd round: S Jordan Battle - Alabama 3rd round: TE Trey McBride - Colorado State 4th round: WR John Metchie III - Alabama 4th round: OG Jaxson Kirkland - Washington 5th round: RB Tyler Goodson - Iowa 5th round: S Isaiah Pola-Mao - USC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 3 rd PFN lots of trades 16) David Ojabo edge PSU 20) Ahmad Gardner cb Cincy 36) Nakobe Dean lb UGA 43) David Bell wr Purdue 50) Jahan Dotson wr PSU 63) Trey McBride te Colorado st 64) Brandon Joesph s Northwestern 68) Jarrett Paterson C ND 85) Arnold Ebikeie edge PSU Future Picks.........2023 Buff 2nd Denver,Minnesota &Tampa 3rd's N.E 4th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Truth Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 New one for this week. Made some crazy trades that are not realistic, but I would be happy with this haul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 If the Jets take a tackle in the first round I'll blow a gasket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 12:11 PM, sec101row23 said: Took a run at one of these this morning. I mean how would anyone not sign up for this in a heart beat Dean at 36 is great value too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I went a wildly different approach than I have with this one... I said to myself that JD will add at least 1 higher priced FA on Offense and try to bring in depth players that can pop later in the draft, while using the early picks to fix a historically bad defense. I traded down but ended up getting picks in this draft and nothing for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 4. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE Michigan 14. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 36. Jaquan Brisker S Penn State 39. Isaiah Likely TE Coastal Carolina 43. Christian Harris LB Alabama 46. Jahan Dotson WR Penn State 109. Quay Walker LB Georgia 111. Jalyn Armour-Davis CB Alabama Trade Details Received: Pick 7 - Kyle Hamilton Pick 146 Received: Pick 12 Pick 43 Trade Details Received: Pick 12 - Garrett Wilson Pick 68 - Martin Emerson Received: Pick 14 Pick 46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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