Sonny Werblin Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Thinking about how Joe Douglas seems very comfortable and willing to trade on draft day and factoring that that there is more value in the bottom half of round one than the top half, I see some trade backs with the Jets top 2 picks. I just don't think JD will think any of the top Edge guys or WRs - - or any player at any position this season really warrants the typical value of a top 10 pick. So, I think he is going to trade back on both picks. 15. Jameson Williams WR Alabama 16. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 35. Isaiah Spiller RB Texas A&M 38. Brandon Smith LB Penn State 44. Sam Williams EDGE Mississippi 71. Leon O'Neal Jr. S Texas A&M 86. Mykael Wright CB Oregon 113. Chris Hinton DT Michigan 115. Rasheed Walker OT Penn State 145. Charlie Kolar TE Iowa State 192. JoJo Domann LB Nebraska 2023 NE 1st 2023 NO 2nd 2023 NE 3rd 2023 CLE 4th 2023 SEA 4th Trade Details Received: Pick 4 - Garrett Wilson Pick 158 - Lucas Krull 2023 NYJ 5th Received: Pick 22 Pick 55 Pick 86 2023 NE 1st 2023 NE 3rd Trade Details Received: Pick 13 - Drake London 2023 NYJ 4th Received: Pick 15 2023 NO 2nd Trade Details Received: Pick 16 - Tyler Linderbaum Received: Pick 22 Pick 55 2023 NYJ 3rd Trade Details Received: Pick 6 - DeMarvin Leal 2023 NYJ 6th Received: Pick 13 Pick 44 2023 CLE 4th Trade Details Received: Pick 69 - Travon Walker Received: Pick 71 2023 SEA 4th Trade Details Received: Pick 109 - Smoke Monday Received: Pick 113 Pick 192 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Thinking about how Joe Douglas seems very comfortable and willing to trade on draft day and factoring that that there is more value in the bottom half of round one than the top half, I see some trade backs with the Jets top 2 picks. I just don't think JD will think any of the top Edge guys or WRs - - or any player at any position this season really warrants the typical value of a top 10 pick. So, I think he is going to trade back on both picks. 15. Jameson Williams WR Alabama 16. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 35. Isaiah Spiller RB Texas A&M 38. Brandon Smith LB Penn State 44. Sam Williams EDGE Mississippi 71. Leon O'Neal Jr. S Texas A&M 86. Mykael Wright CB Oregon 113. Chris Hinton DT Michigan 115. Rasheed Walker OT Penn State 145. Charlie Kolar TE Iowa State 192. JoJo Domann LB Nebraska 2023 NE 1st 2023 NO 2nd 2023 NE 3rd 2023 CLE 4th 2023 SEA 4th Trade Details Received: Pick 4 - Garrett Wilson Pick 158 - Lucas Krull 2023 NYJ 5th Received: Pick 22 Pick 55 Pick 86 2023 NE 1st 2023 NE 3rd Trade Details Received: Pick 13 - Drake London 2023 NYJ 4th Received: Pick 15 2023 NO 2nd Trade Details Received: Pick 16 - Tyler Linderbaum Received: Pick 22 Pick 55 2023 NYJ 3rd Trade Details Received: Pick 6 - DeMarvin Leal 2023 NYJ 6th Received: Pick 13 Pick 44 2023 CLE 4th Trade Details Received: Pick 69 - Travon Walker Received: Pick 71 2023 SEA 4th Trade Details Received: Pick 109 - Smoke Monday Received: Pick 113 Pick 192 Could be right. I think #4 for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Here is the one I just ran: 4 - Aidan Hutchinson - Edge 13 - Jameson Williams - WR 35 - Jermaine Johnson - Edge 42 - Zion Johnson - OG 44 - Jalen Wydermeyer - TE 69 - Brandon Joseph - S 75 - Jarrett Patterson - OC 109 - Channing Tindall - LB 114 - Tykee Smith - S 115 - Charlie Kolar - TE 145 - George Pickerns - Wr 158 - Hassan Haskins - RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 15 hours ago, Beerfish said: Here is the one I just ran: 4 - Aidan Hutchinson - Edge 13 - Jameson Williams - WR 35 - Jermaine Johnson - Edge 42 - Zion Johnson - OG 44 - Jalen Wydermeyer - TE 69 - Brandon Joseph - S 75 - Jarrett Patterson - OC 109 - Channing Tindall - LB 114 - Tykee Smith - S 115 - Charlie Kolar - TE 145 - George Pickerns - Wr 158 - Hassan Haskins - RB You and I are thinking very much the same as far as positions go in this draft. I did one yesterday, and double dipped at Edge, TE and WR. took Ojabo in 1st, and Drake Jackson in 2nd. Treylon Burks in 1st and Erik Ezukanma of Texas Tech in 3rd. Took Sam LaPorta in 4th and Trae Barry in 5th. Love jarrett Pattrson, took him late 2nd with one of picks I acquired in trades. Also took DT Devonte Wyatt in 3rd via a trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 First 2 mock attempts. this first one I did not do any trades Next I did accept trades, mindset was Joe D will be getting some quality FA's at WR and help on D. He's gotta spend some $$$....Hutch and Thib were gone and I decided to trade back both 4 and 6... got 1 next year from Pitt and a 2 next year from LV there were other picks received I forgot what they were. Roast away boys...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, section314 said: You and I are thinking very much the same as far as positions go in this draft. I did one yesterday, and double dipped at Edge, TE and WR. took Ojabo in 1st, and Drake Jackson in 2nd. Treylon Burks in 1st and Erik Ezukanma of Texas Tech in 3rd. Took Sam LaPorta in 4th and Trae Barry in 5th. Love jarrett Pattrson, took him late 2nd with one of picks I acquired in trades. Also took DT Devonte Wyatt in 3rd via a trade. I agree. Edge/wr in round 1 with more of a possibility of trading back from Seattle’s pick than the jets’ own pick. Then OL/lb in round 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, Stark said: First 2 mock attempts. this first one I did not do any trades Next I did accept trades, mindset was Joe D will be getting some quality FA's at WR and help on D. He's gotta spend some $$$....Hutch and Thib were gone and I decided to trade back both 4 and 6... got 1 next year from Pitt and a 2 next year from LV there were other picks received I forgot what they were. Roast away boys...... Nice haul. In your first draft, the stick and pick one, you probably got 6 starters. In #2, Ingram at 69, was second mock I've seen this AM that had him to us. The other was on PFN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 and 1 more with some more small trade backs, double dipped at TE 2023 SF 7th is what is cut off... again I think JD gets a WR in FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 22 hours ago, K_O_Brien said: Not mine, but imagine the reaction ?? A corner - especially Elam at 6 - would surprise me but Leal wouldn’t. The reaction would be something for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, derp said: A corner - especially Elam at 6 - would surprise me but Leal wouldn’t. The reaction would be something for sure. damn ... like worst case scenario lol... this place would be printing up the Fire JD banners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 56 minutes ago, Stark said: damn ... like worst case scenario lol... this place would be printing up the Fire JD banners I mean I don’t know to be sure but the 49ers drafted a lot of DT types early, Fatukasi is expiring, and Rankins is the only proven depth. A guy like Leal who’s a DT/DE tweener could mix and match with JFM and add a little front four pass rush pop. I did a mock today that ended up with Thibodeaux, Leal, Dean, McBride, and Ruckert as the first two days and honestly adding those guys, fixing up the front seven, going 12 personnel base on offense with Moore and Davis starting…I think would go a long way towards improving the team on the field even if its not at all how I’d like to see them do it. And those tend to be the scenarios fans all discount but teams end up doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, derp said: I mean I don’t know to be sure but the 49ers drafted a lot of DT types early, Fatukasi is expiring, and Rankins is the only proven depth. A guy like Leal who’s a DT/DE tweener could mix and match with JFM and add a little front four pass rush pop. I did a mock today that ended up with Thibodeaux, Leal, Dean, McBride, and Ruckert as the first two days and honestly adding those guys, fixing up the front seven, going 12 personnel base on offense with Moore and Davis starting…I think would go a long way towards improving the team on the field even if its not at all how I’d like to see them do it. And those tend to be the scenarios fans all discount but teams end up doing. if you don't move back I don't know how you don't take Neal and then maybe consider DT... I don't know why we need to draft a DT high when we can find those guys for this system later. im not sure about Elam, maybe he would be a good fit but where we are picking those 2 I am not really a fan. think its too early not saying you're wrong just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stark said: I don't know if you don't move back I don't know how you don't take Neal and then maybe consider DT... I don't know why we need to draft a DT high when we can find those guys for this system later. im not sure about Elam, maybe he would be a good fit but where we are picking those 2 I am not really a fan. think its too early not saying you're wrong just my thoughts. Too many “don’t”’s in that first paragraph for me to understand what you mean. I don’t like the idea of taking Leal I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it. Said in the original post I don’t think they take a corner and don’t think Elam goes that high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stark Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, derp said: Too many “don’t”’s in that first paragraph for me to understand what you mean. I don’t like the idea of taking Leal I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it. Said in the original post I don’t think they take a corner and don’t think Elam goes that high. yeah... I mistyped some of that, corrected now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Trade down szn Probably should have taken an EDGE over Smith or Kendrick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2022 Mike Maccagnan Draft Simulator - Version 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 This is crazy and will never happen but if it did, would you do this? It legit just happened on the simulator for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: This is crazy and will never happen but if it did, would you do this? It legit just happened on the simulator for me. Sign me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Decided to load up at ol in the mid rounds since we have no depth. Couldn’t pass on wallker In the late 2nd. Great 1-2 punch with him and carter. I really like Alec pierce in the late rounds. Tall, athletic, good hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 PFN is seriously flawed. It let me do this: 4. Aiden Hutchinson 6 => 7 + 105 7 => 10 + 46 10 + 46 => 15 + PIT 2023 1st 15. Tyler Linderbaum 35 + 69 => 26 => Treylon Burks 38. Jalen Wydermyer So by dropping 3x with the SEA pick, I ended up getting the top Edge, top C, top-3 WR, top-3 TE while adding picks 105 and the PIT 2023 1st. I wasn't even really working the trades that hard. What it does for me is confirm that trading down with the SEA pick could be really interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, nycdan said: PFN is seriously flawed. It let me do this: 4. Aiden Hutchinson 6 => 7 + 105 7 => 10 + 46 10 + 46 => 15 + PIT 2023 1st 15. Tyler Linderbaum 35 + 69 => 26 => Treylon Burks 38. Jalen Wydermyer So by dropping 3x with the SEA pick, I ended up getting the top Edge, top C, top-3 WR, top-3 TE while adding picks 105 and the PIT 2023 1st. I wasn't even really working the trades that hard. What it does for me is confirm that trading down with the SEA pick could be really interesting. I mean both linderbaum and Burks are late teens/20s picks. The #6 pick is generally very valuable to trade down with. Sounds about right to me. I wouldn’t even say it’s that flawed. Some of their prospect rankings are tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Trade Details Received: Pick 6 - Matt Corral Received: Pick 28 Pick 34 2023 LAR 1st Trade Details Received: Pick 29 - Nakobe Dean Received: Pick 34 Pick 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYDreamer Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 4: R1 P4 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Michigan 7: R1 P7 OT Evan Neal - Alabama 36: R2 P4 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa 38: R2 P6 LB Nakobe Dean - Georgia 68: R3 P4 S Jordan Battle - Alabama 108: R4 P6 WR Justyn Ross - Clemson 114: R4 P12 CB Sevyn Banks - Ohio State 146: R5 P4 RB Zamir White - Georgia 157: R5 P15 EDGE Nolan Smith - Georgia 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 My favorite one yet. The more I look into this class the more I notice how much depth it has. I screwed up and took Braxton Jones instead of Max Mitchell, but meh jones is alright too I just like Mitchell more and I’m excited to see what he can do at the senior bowl. Besides that I can see all of these guys starting within a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 Aidan Hutchinson - DE 13 Tyler Linderbaum - C 35 Treylon Burks - WR 38 Isaiah Likley - TE 42 Brandon Smith - LB 69 Leon O'Neal jr -S 86 Lecitus Smith - OG 114 Damone Cklark - LB 125 George Pickens - WR 128 Charlie Kolar - TE 145 James Cook - RB 163 Coby Bryant - CB 178 Dontario Drummond - WR 185 Andrew Mevis - PK 204 Jordan Strachan - DE Lots of trade downs obviously and i hope the jets take this tact, some okay depth in this draft but spotty high end talent. I was able to get most of my fav players in this draft regardless of positional rankings. (Linderbaum, Burks, Kolar, Cook) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just did this. my favorite so far. 3 1st rd trades 1) 4 & 69 to Eagles for 14 &19 2)7 to Steelers for 17,81 2023 1st 3)14 to Arizona for 24,56 and 2023 4th 1 2nd rd trade 44&145 to Dallas for 59 & 2023 2nd 17) Devin Lloyd LB Utah 19) Jermaine Johnson Edge FSU 24) Treylon Burks WR Arkansas 35) Jaquan Brisker S PSU 56) Trey McBride TE Colorado St 59) Jarrett Patterson C ND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I just did this one. Traded both 1st rounders. Then traded a trade. And again. Just moved down a few spots every time picking up later pics. 10 players in the top 71!!!!! 16. Charles Cross OT Mississippi State 17. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 35. Jaquan Brisker S Penn State 38. Isaiah Likely TE Coastal Carolina 42. Jalen Wydermyer TE Texas A&M 44. Trent McDuffie CB Washington 47. Carson Strong QB Nevada 49. Jahan Dotson WR Penn State 63. Wan'Dale Robinson WR Kentucky 71. Henry To'o To'o LB Alabama 111. John Metchie III WR Alabama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 This draft is loaded with defense. I’d attack offense in free agency and focus on remaking this d in the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 14 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: This draft is loaded with defense. I’d attack offense in free agency and focus on remaking this d in the draft I’m really iffy on karlaftis and stingley. A lot of what I’ve seen/read on karlaftis seems like he’ll be a better 3-4 edge. He’s good against weaker competition, but he has a hard time getting past the better OTs when his hands are in the dirt. He tends to get outmuscled at the line against stronger guys. the whole stingley thing worries me. He was fantastic his freshman year, but only decent in his soph and jr seasons with the little he played. It’ll be over 2 years come draft day since he’s had good tape. The only good wr he’s played against the past 2 years that I can think of is d smith and he went off against him. if we can’t get hutch/thib I’d try my hardest to trade back. Take Hamilton with the hawks pick and one of the wrs/lbs/drake Jackson/ojabo with the trades pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 If we can’t get one of thib/hutch then I wouldn’t mind something like this at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 I try not to do 10 a day, these things are addicting. I also prize trading back for additional picks in the following draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 I am curious how frequently trade downs are actually available in real life. In the simulator they're almost available for every single pick. That's fun to play around with, but is it anywhere near realistic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: I am curious how frequently trade downs are actually available in real life. In the simulator they're almost available for every single pick. That's fun to play around with, but is it anywhere near realistic? You could get a taker for every pick if you settle on less than market value, but you're not getting a haul or even the draft chart, unless someone really covets that player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: You could get a taker for every pick if you settle on less than market value, but you're not getting a haul or even the draft chart, unless someone really covets that player. Sometimes it's ok to get a little less than the chart. This team has so many needs, I'd love to see JD trade back at least once and pick up additional draft choices the following year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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