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10 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

Ooo look guys he's doing the joke thing now!

I think next is back massages and I don't care about this

No, joke.  It's my favorite word.  I use it often. And you are my favorite groupie, by far.

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/03/mmqb-matt-nagy-justin-fields-trey-lance-aaron-rodgers-daily-cover   This was a different type of draft year, and everyone had to get as creative as they cou

You mean to tell me, that Zach Wilson described a Football play and the coverage associated with the call???????????  

how did you go undrafted that year?

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11 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Even if you're happy we took Wilson, you knew a piece like this was going to be written regardless of the quarterback taken at 2.

Everyone's got a photographic memory, passion for the game and is 'high character' right after you select them. 

What gets me far more excited: we followed up the quarterback pick with an elite offensive lineman and two #weapinz.

That's that real real good good GM'ing.

Yes, all of this. JIF isn't wrong. This is standard operating procedure for any QB that gets drafted high. They all have great recall of all of their plays, which is one of the reasons they go so high. 

The best part about Zach Wilson were the Mekhi and Mims picks last year and the three straight offensive picks after Zach this year, and the ousting of Adam Gase and the addition of an actual OC and QB coach. 

The one thing that has become arrogantly apparent as the years go by and more and more data informs our opinions: Outside of the 1% of GOAT QBs, the quarterback position is the biggest piece of the pie, but ultimately it's still a piece of the pie. Specific to rookie QBs, having the other pieces on the roster as well as on the coaching staff early on in their careers is what allows the good prospects to become great. 

Sanchez failed on his own merits. The franchise failed Darnold. If Zach is good, the best thing we can say about the situation is that he has the right FO and coaching staff to put him in position to become great. 

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11 minutes ago, Jet Life said:

“Na, but seriously bro, Fields can bust and it doesn’t even matter to me. Here’s a tweet of Mac Jones saying he has a photographic memory to show I won another Zach Wilson internet thread. Another morning crushed!”

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7 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

But it's not a catch phrase.  And you don't actually know.  You are making assumptions based on one article you read on Sportsnaut.  You said every QB could do what was described in that article.  I can with 100% certainty that I've witnessed SEVERAL Power 5 scholarship QBs that could not do it.  Even one that was an NFL draft pick.  

People are going bonkers because you are trying to tell everyone how you are right about something that you don't actually know about. 

You also seem to ignore the difference between reciting what someone told a player and a player recalling something where they are providing all of the details themselves.

No like it really is a catch phrase, I just proved it with 2 quick examples.  I could find more,  Honest! 

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3 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

I respond to people when they quote me.  I feel like it's message board etiquette.  I received 7 neg reps for making a post and have been attacked numerous times in the thread but yes, I'm the troll who's spamming the thread. 

 

well, yeah 

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Found at the Jets Addicts board found informative and I'm

psyched about the procedure-

How the jets decided on zach wilson

Today, 10:31 AM
 
This was a different type of draft year, and everyone had to get as creative as they could. So back on March 29, at BYU’s pro day, with the Niners-Dolphins tradegoing down, Zach Wilson getting ready to throw and the tectonic plates of the 2021 draft shifting, Jets coach Robert Saleh ran down BYU alum Fred Warner, his former star middle linebacker from San Francisco, with a bit of a weird request.

Warner was there to support Wilson and the rest of the Cougars trying to make their case to all the NFL teams there that day. He also served as a human measuring stick.

Hey Fred, can you go give Zach a hug real quick?

The first-team All-Pro obliged his old defensive coordinator, and in doing so helped Saleh, GM Joe Douglas and offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur put the final piece in place for the Jets’ decision on what to do with the second pick. The 6' 3", 230-pound Warner is roughly the same size as Patrick Mahomes, and, as he approached Wilson, who’d faced questions about his size, the Jets’ brass could actually see it.

Wilson was eye-to-eye with Warner, he had broad shoulders that measured up with a linebacker’s and confirmed what the Jets came in believing: that he had plenty of room to grow physically and could eventually show himself to be like the other big people in his family (his dad was a Utah defensive tackle, and he has one brother who’s a BYU linebacker and another who’s verbally committed to be one in 2022).

Right around that time, medical clearance came for the Jets, too, something that was important, given that Wilson had surgery on his right shoulder two years ago, and thus the final pieces were put in place for the 21-year-old to become the latest big swing that New York’s star-crossed football franchise has taken.

And obviously there’s a strong belief in Florham Park that this will be different than Mark Sanchez or Sam Darnold, or even the relatively successful Chad Pennington. They wouldn’t have done this if they didn’t feel that way. So how did they get there? A few weeks back, we detailed the Jets’ decision to deal Darnold and search for their next QB from GM Joe Douglas’s perspective. Now, we’re giving you how the coaching staff worked through this—and signed off on Wilson with the No. 2 pick.

• Saleh and his staff got going on the quarterbacks about a month ahead of starting on the rest of the draft class, a couple of weeks after arriving in Jersey in January, mostly because the Darnold situation combined with the team’s holding the second pick in a quarterback-rich year demanded that. Saleh studied the five quarterbacks who woundo up going in the first round. LaFleur, QBs coach Rob Calabrese and pass-game specialist Greg Knapp did that and went deeper into the class, too, through the whole second tier.

The head coach directed his assistants not to talk to one another about the quarterback group to keep opinions on each player unaffected, and, when the staff reconvened in late February with their independent evaluations of the class, a consensus was reached that the top two were clear—Trevor Lawrence and Wilson. And that was with the offensive coaches drilling down on technical details, and Saleh clearly seeing Wilson’s fearlessness, bravado, timing, accuracy and just how smooth he looked as an athlete.

This is going to sound bananas, but the Jets’ coaches actually discussed, at that point, how they preferred Wilson to Lawrence as a fit for their offense. Why? Wilson’s tape showed a very clean translation to the Shanahan style of offense. You can see him go through reads—1, 2, 3, out! Lawrence, conversely, played in an offense heavy on RPOs. That’s not a knock. Justin Herbert played in an RPO-heavy system in college, too, and was obviously fine.

It’s just that picturing Wilson running LaFleur’s system was easy, because BYU’s offense carries so many similar West Coast principles. And Wilson also had traits that the offense values, starting with a lightning-quick release and good balance throwing on the move.

• The next step was the Zoom meetings, and one thing in particular stuck out about Wilson in that setting. While his ADHD was at one point a story line, the quarterback showed uncanny, Rain Man–like recall. It shined through in particular during his Zoom meetings with the Jets, and as Knapp took him through the BYU tape. Or, more accurately, Wilson took Knapp through it.

If you’ve watched coaches’ tape before, you’ve seen how, before a play is shown, a shot of the scoreboard comes up to establish the point of the game the play is taken from, down-and-distance, etc. Well, at one point, in a meeting with Wilson, Knapp had the screen frozen on such a frame. Wilson immediately told him what was coming. He took him through the play call. He took him through the defense’s call. He told him how a certain corner would usually be in the coverage associated with the call. He explained his throw. Then, he told him why the coaches called the play and how it was worked into the practice week.

Suffice it to say, that impressed the coaches, and it wasn’t the only time it happened. Again, the formation presnap wasn’t even on the screen yet.

• Another part of the process was determining whether Wilson would be equipped to deal with New York. There were two reasons, primarily, the Jets eventually came to the conclusion that he’ll be fine. One, less than a year ago, he dealt with his coaches at BYU, disappointed in how 2019 played out, opening up a quarterback competition—and responded with one of the most finely quarterbacked seasons in school history. And two, Provo’s not New York. But BYU and Utah football are a big deal in that state, so he did have some “fishbowl” experience.

The Jets also got feedback on his personality and developed their own opinions as to how it would play in New York. Wilson’s throwing coach, former NFL QB John Beck, was a tremendous resource along the way, too, telling the team he’d never seen a more natural thrower at that age, or a quarterback who could throw that effortlessly off-platform, but also that he was a smart kid with enough of a cocky edge, and self-awareness, to take slings and arrows in New York.

Now, here’s one thing that really stood out to me, on how the Jets are going to handle Wilson going forward: They don’t want to put the weight of the world on his shoulders. In fact, if you watch the phone call the Jets made to Wilson after making it official, it’s right there. “All you gotta do is be yourself, nothing more, nothing less,” Douglas told Wilson, before Saleh got on the phone and added, “The biggest thing I want to tell you, just remember this, this organization is going to lift you, not the other way around.”

The point was emphasized with the Jets, soon thereafter, trading up for guard Alijah Vera-Tucker, then taking receiver Elijah Moore and tailback Michael Carter.

And the concept really does show awareness of where things went wrong with Darnold. The Jets aren’t going to ask the world of Wilson right away (though the plan is to prepare him to start Week 1, as would be the case with anyone on the roster, and the reality is he likely will start). They’ll ask him to be, to steal a phrase from my old NFL Network colleague Bucky Brooks, the trailer and not the truck as a rookie, and allow him to grow from there.

A team with that idea going in is a good place for any quarterback to start. We’ll see if that situation eventually adds up to better results at the position than the Jets have gotten of late.

 

 

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4 hours ago, JiFapono said:

You mean to tell me, that Zach Wilson described a Football play and the coverage associated with the call???????????

 

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49 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Meh. He has a very high volume of clutch shots, but most of them are regular season. It's a reach to put him in the all time category given that he's only played in 4 CF games and 0 Finals games. That one shot in the playoffs a few years ago to close out the series was boss though. 

What about the shot against the rockets in 14’? That was a playoff buzzer beater too.

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49 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Meh. He has a very high volume of clutch shots, but most of them are regular season. It's a reach to put him in the all time category given that he's only played in 4 CF games and 0 Finals games. That one shot in the playoffs a few years ago to close out the series was boss though. 

What about the shot against the rockets in 14’? That was a playoff buzzer beater too.

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1 hour ago, JiFapono said:

How is it my fault this is going off the rails?  

 

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yeah, how can it be your fault this thread is going off the rails

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Wilson may do the unthinkable and be more controversial than the noodle arm.  Buy and hold JN shares 

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Whether succeeds or not will depend on if the Jets organization lifts him up or not.

Saleh has it right.

I think it’ll depend on whether the guys in the locker room notice he’s a football Yentil.

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1 hour ago, JiFapono said:

How is it my fault this is going off the rails?  We hear about QB's being able to recalls plays vs. D's all the time based on seeing the down and situation in the game. Photo graphic memory film junkie are draft talk terms and stuff that comes out all the time about QB's.   This isnt something special.  Dont care who said it.   

It is like you didn't read my post. You are saying it is a cliche.

The Jets coaches are betting their future on what they say they have first hand knowledge of.

Like anything else, sure we can wait years to see if this sets Wilson apart. Right now though people are allowed to be excited about this kid. So for many that believe, like I do, that this isn't a cliche and that the Jets coaches are really impressed with him -- today is a good day.

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13 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

What about the shot against the rockets in 14’? That was a playoff buzzer beater too.

So that’s 2 of what? 25? That’s not a great look. The fallacy of “clutch” is that it means that the player wasn’t able to handle their business in the first 58 minutes of the game and put the game out of reach. The fact that Dame has so many “clutch” shots but they all come in reg season games is more of a negative than a positive IMO. If he were doing this in CF and Finals games, that’s a different story where the competition is greater and the stakes are higher.

For example: Robbert Horry is a better clutch shot maker. 

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11 minutes ago, CTM said:

Wilson may do the unthinkable and be more controversial than the noodle arm.  Buy and hold JN shares 

If he’s anything like Penny Boy Wonder, we’ll have a brand new GM and HC just in time for Arch Manning to enter the draft!

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1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Yes, all of this. JIF isn't wrong. This is standard operating procedure for any QB that gets drafted high. They all have great recall of all of their plays, which is one of the reasons they go so high. 

The best part about Zach Wilson were the Mekhi and Mims picks last year and the three straight offensive picks after Zach this year, and the ousting of Adam Gase and the addition of an actual OC and QB coach. 

The one thing that has become arrogantly apparent as the years go by and more and more data informs our opinions: Outside of the 1% of GOAT QBs, the quarterback position is the biggest piece of the pie, but ultimately it's still a piece of the pie. Specific to rookie QBs, having the other pieces on the roster as well as on the coaching staff early on in their careers is what allows the good prospects to become great. 

Sanchez failed on his own merits. The franchise failed Darnold. If Zach is good, the best thing we can say about the situation is that he has the right FO and coaching staff to put him in position to become great. 

Great post.  I'm excited about Zachapono and it's a largely because of what JD has done to surround him with talent.  Ideally, I'd like to find a vet to start the season and not put that pressure on Zach but otherwise, I love what JD has done and despite my preference for other prospects, I'm pumped to see what he can do.  IMO the biggest factor for success is how they surround and develop him, not his photo graphic memory.  I know I know, I know, I'm a terrible troll for having that opinion.  Shame on me. 

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1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Yes, all of this. JIF isn't wrong. This is standard operating procedure for any QB that gets drafted high. They all have great recall of all of their plays, which is one of the reasons they go so high. 

The best part about Zach Wilson were the Mekhi and Mims picks last year and the three straight offensive picks after Zach this year, and the ousting of Adam Gase and the addition of an actual OC and QB coach. 

The one thing that has become arrogantly apparent as the years go by and more and more data informs our opinions: Outside of the 1% of GOAT QBs, the quarterback position is the biggest piece of the pie, but ultimately it's still a piece of the pie. Specific to rookie QBs, having the other pieces on the roster as well as on the coaching staff early on in their careers is what allows the good prospects to become great. 

Sanchez failed on his own merits. The franchise failed Darnold. If Zach is good, the best thing we can say about the situation is that he has the right FO and coaching staff to put him in position to become great. 

Agreed. Idk what "arrogantly apparent" means ;), but agreed.

@JiFapono is being a hater because he is a hater of this pick.

But yea, he's not wrong that this article would've been written about Fields, Lance or Jones just as easily. 

What excites me about this draft is not the media reaction - it's the merits of each of the first four prospects selected, the grand strategy of building around a rookie QB immediately and using day 3 for defensive prospects with elite athleticism and developmental box safeties that we'll make into LB'ers.

I just love the vision from top to bottom. 

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1 hour ago, derp said:

Lots of different ways the schools do it, but I think it’s easier to fake the passion than it is to fake the numbers and publications. The whole admissions process for medicine is very strange to me. 

I also don’t think the 22 year olds can actually know they want to work like that, let alone 18 year olds. Part of why median age is rising at most schools.

Burnout is still a major issue too and it was pre-COVID.

It's like the draft in that it's a total crap shoot. High school volunteer work is probably the equivalent of film study. They are looking for people to spend a lifetime serving a very tough job. Like the draft It often comes down to the bloodlines as well. Applicant X with a parent (or two) already MD (maybe even alum) get the benefit of the doubt over geeks off the street 

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5 hours ago, JiFapono said:

No.  Not really.   Everyone QB can do this.  Hell, give some highlights of my intramural Flag Football Championship game from 22 years ago and I can tell you the exact play, down and distance and my entire thought process as I willed our team to victory!

That is not remotely true. I vividly remember Darnold not even remembering specific plays from the game he literally just played. And Wilson's recall is exceedingly specific on plays more so than I have heard from other players.

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1 hour ago, JiFapono said:

I respond to people when they quote me.  I feel like it's message board etiquette.  I received 7 neg reps for making a post and have been attacked numerous times in the thread but yes, I'm the troll who's spamming the thread. 

 

And here comes the victim mentality. Holy hell, you’ve lost your mind this year.

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1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Honestly, I don't even mind the schtick, but when you jump into a new thread about a SI article on the process of drafting our new QB and make an obviously inflammatory post designed to get neg reps and annoy people, that's trolling.

And you're not going to get the benefit of the doubt because all across the board for weeks you've been making Kapono jokes and puns and sh*tting on the kid. It's in your user name and avatar for Christ's sake.

Pretending you don't know what you're doing is disingenuous.

I did not create this name, I woke up to this, JN created this machine I've become so sure decided to lean in and embrace it when my actual takes were met with full onslaught or groupies who follow me around and literally just attack the poster and not the post.  Peep the responses dude and then go look at my activity.  These guys follow me in every thread and do this sh*t. 

I didnt intended anything other then calling out silly draft nonsense.  If you've seen my recent posts, I'm over it.  It's jumped the shark. There was nothing inflammatory about Wilson in my post.  It wasnt designed to do anything other then to call out the silliness that has come with the draft. So I posted what I posted....and clearly people didnt know that this was catch phrase.  Look at the responses.  People think this is an actual genuine special attribute.  It's not. It's a catch phrase. 

 

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20 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

 

@JiFapono is being a hater because he is a hater of this pick.

 

I'm not hating on anyone.  I literally didnt say anything about anyone.  I'm laughing at the stupid fluff piece report.  That is all. 

ffs lol

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1 hour ago, jetblue95 said:

 

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yeah, how can it be your fault this thread is going off the rails

^^^yet another JiFapono groupie who found a reason to respond by attacking the poster even though he's a worthless troll

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48 minutes ago, Maxman said:

It is like you didn't read my post. You are saying it is a cliche.

The Jets coaches are betting their future on what they say they have first hand knowledge of.

Like anything else, sure we can wait years to see if this sets Wilson apart. Right now though people are allowed to be excited about this kid. So for many that believe, like I do, that this isn't a cliche and that the Jets coaches are really impressed with him -- today is a good day.

You think the team that drafted him is impressed with him?  Stop the press!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, it's cliche, a catch phrase.  These reports are common.  I'm not knocking Wilson for it.   I'm excited for him and hope he's great.

 

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38 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

So that’s 2 of what? 25? That’s not a great look. The fallacy of “clutch” is that it means that the player wasn’t able to handle their business in the first 58 minutes of the game and put the game out of reach. The fact that Dame has so many “clutch” shots but they all come in reg season games is more of a negative than a positive IMO. If he were doing this in CF and Finals games, that’s a different story where the competition is greater and the stakes are higher.

For example: Robbert Horry is a better clutch shot maker. 

Where are you getting 25 from? He’s been in 25 clutch playoff moments since he’s been in the league? I don’t think so. I don’t think you understand how bad his teams have been, how much of a load he’s carried on his back or how many double teams or half court traps he gets thrown at him.  He steps over half court and he instantly draws 3 men on him. He still puts up 30ppg and 8 AST. That team doesn’t have defense. They have 2 small guards and their SF is 6’1. They play small ball line ups and rely on offense to be their defense. Players like Evan Turner, Aminu, Harkless, Seth Curry & Rodney Hood are absolute sh*t and he still found a way countless times to win games. I’ve never heard of winning games as a bad thing because they are regular season games, or close games for that matter. I think that’s a bit much and sorta illogical.

sayin Robert Horry is a more clutch shooter than Damian Lillard sounds like a casual fan comment as well. No disrespect towards you, but that’s insane to even say.

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12 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

That is not remotely true. I vividly remember Darnold not even remembering specific plays from the game he literally just played. And Wilson's recall is exceedingly specific on plays more so than I have heard from other players.

It is 100% true and I googled 2 names and found articles.  I could do this for hundreds of QB's.

I hope Wilson is the GOAT.  It wont be because he has a photo graphic memory.

 

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14 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Agreed. Idk what "arrogantly apparent" means ;), but agreed.

@JiFapono is being a hater because he is a hater of this pick.

But yea, he's not wrong that this article would've been written about Fields, Lance or Jones just as easily. 

What excites me about this draft is not the media reaction - it's the merits of each of the first four prospects selected, the grand strategy of building around a rookie QB immediately and using day 3 for defensive prospects with elite athleticism and developmental box safeties that we'll make into LB'ers.

I just love the vision from top to bottom. 

Lol, it means that it's so apparent that it bypassed transparent straight to being arrogant. 

I was strongly opposed to the picking of Zach over Fields. I also have made it clear over the last two offseasons that JD has more mistakes on his resume than most posters would like to admit.

All of that being said, one thing I've learned from this past draft: between the FO and coaching staff, we finally (for the first time in my life) are adhering to what has become the most obvious secret in sports: build around your QB. Draft the QB, build his OL, get him weapons, give him a QB coach, have the OC cater their playbook to the QB's strengths, and take pressure off the QB by building up a defense that is able to keep games close. Although I don't have much confidence in Zach just yet, I am extremely excited about the direction the franchise is headed in and hope that Wilson can prove me wrong and be great.  

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29 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Great post.  I'm excited about Zachapono and it's a largely because of what JD has done to surround him with talent.  Ideally, I'd like to find a vet to start the season and not put that pressure on Zach but otherwise, I love what JD has done and despite my preference for other prospects, I'm pumped to see what he can do.  IMO the biggest factor for success is how they surround and develop him, not his photo graphic memory.  I know I know, I know, I'm a terrible troll for having that opinion.  Shame on me. 

 

25 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I just love the vision from top to bottom. 

I know its more fun to have selective reading, like my groupies, they'd never touch this post maybe  are doing this too or maybe you were typing and didnt see this post, not sure, but I literally just said this and you called me a hater.  lol

 

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21 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's like the draft in that it's a total crap shoot. High school volunteer work is probably the equivalent of film study. They are looking for people to spend a lifetime serving a very tough job. Like the draft It often comes down to the bloodlines as well. Applicant X with a parent (or two) already MD (maybe even alum) get the benefit of the doubt over geeks off the street 

I think it’s kind of like the draft in that it boils down to elite “traits”. Best measure of success med schools can point to is their match list. Match someone who’s in it for the wrong reasons but good at faking it and an outstanding test taker into a hyper-competitive speciality and it looks good, whereas the person who would be happy to care of folks in an underserved area doing family medicine and great stuff that job doesn’t look good matching to a middle of nowhere non-competitive specialty.

The volunteering and stuff is silly at this point. Probably a little cynical but think the large majority do that to check a box more than because they want to volunteer. Those with access to good info know how to game things. 

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