Jetsfan80 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said: Deal Crowder for him? Or would that create further cap problems for Atlanta. Maybe. I'm not sure the cap ramifications for Atlanta, but I do know we'd save $10.4M in the deal. I think trading Hurst for a pick is the only move that makes sense for both teams. Atlanta still has to figure out what to do with Julio Jones. Adding a slot receiver, albeit a quality one, doesn't move the needle much for them. Personally, I think we ought to restructure or extend Crowder if we need those cap dollars (which we don't, at the moment). Trading Crowder for small draft assets doesn't do much for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Shockwave said: I would think the best thing to offer them in a small deal is Perine. Cap issues and they didn't draft a rb. Not sure why anyone would want Perine though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Is there a red flag with him? If he gets traded, that's 3 teams in 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Sounds like a WWF wrestler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Uh what? TE is absolutely a hole. What are the other bigger holes at the moment, and who is going to fill those? And does adding Hurst preclude us from filling them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Raising this from the dead because....we still need a starting TE very badly and Hurst is pretty good. As I understand it, ATL's scheme calls for two TEs, but one of them is a blocker. Pitts is going to be the money guy, leaving Hurst a bit on the outside, looking in. They trade a 2nd rounder for him last year. They didn't sign the 5th year extension so he'd probably net them a 5th, or maybe 4th rounder if he leaves after this season (they are in cap hell and won't keep him). We could offer a 3rd rounder. Other possibilities are some DT depth, which ATL needs and we have to partially offset the trade cost. He's not a top-5 guy, but he's very likely a top-20 guy and we don't have one of those. I would not hate seeing him come in on a reasonable trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmhertz Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Old man will be 28 in a week from NFL draft profile- Weaknesses Will be a 25-year-old rookie when next season starts Appears to be giving route clues to defenders at times Doesn't manipulate defender often enough from breaks and stems Out-breaking routes have been getting jumped for two consecutive seasons Had safeties run his routes on various occasions Will need work as in-line blocker Hands fly out wide into first contact Can improve his play strength at point of attack if he gets his hand placement right Ducks head into contact Won't always look to improve positioning with quality footwork after contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Was a total disappointment in Baltimore and Atlanta. We r taking a stud te in the 1st round next year. Joe D will not be trading anything for Hurst. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Was a total disappointment in Baltimore and Atlanta. We r taking a stud te in the 1st round next year. Joe D will not be trading anything for Hurst. I hope not! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: Was a total disappointment in Baltimore and Atlanta. We r taking a stud te in the 1st round next year. Joe D will not be trading anything for Hurst. This is probably right. Doesn't smell like the kind of trade Douglas does. I'm fully expecting a waiver wire pick up after final cuts, we'll get someone from another team. The challenge is that not a lot of TEs came into the league this year it seems. There might only be 3-4 TEs who are contributing immediately and that might cause teams to keep some guys they'd otherwise try to push out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, nycdan said: Raising this from the dead because....we still need a starting TE very badly and Hurst is pretty good. As I understand it, ATL's scheme calls for two TEs, but one of them is a blocker. Pitts is going to be the money guy, leaving Hurst a bit on the outside, looking in. They trade a 2nd rounder for him last year. They didn't sign the 5th year extension so he'd probably net them a 5th, or maybe 4th rounder if he leaves after this season (they are in cap hell and won't keep him). We could offer a 3rd rounder. Other possibilities are some DT depth, which ATL needs and we have to partially offset the trade cost. He's not a top-5 guy, but he's very likely a top-20 guy and we don't have one of those. I would not hate seeing him come in on a reasonable trade. And if he’s traded and then still reaches FA that same comp pick due to Atlanta would instead be due to the team that trades for him. He could be a very cheap one year rental with an option to buy. It’d have to be a cheap extension to keep beyond that. Because the Jets have so many draft picks I don’t see Douglas locking into someone like Hearst unless it was a major bargain, and probably at least one team will be willing to ante more than the Jets this upcoming March. I think his low ‘21 salary raised Atlanta’s price tag, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 5/3/2021 at 7:04 PM, Jetsfan80 said: Not sure why anyone would want Perine though. Because the Atlanta GM wakes up in the morning and thinks ..” how can I make the Jets better today ?” Didn’t you know that ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 hours ago, nycdan said: Raising this from the dead because....we still need a starting TE very badly and Hurst is pretty good. As I understand it, ATL's scheme calls for two TEs, but one of them is a blocker. Pitts is going to be the money guy, leaving Hurst a bit on the outside, looking in. They trade a 2nd rounder for him last year. They didn't sign the 5th year extension so he'd probably net them a 5th, or maybe 4th rounder if he leaves after this season (they are in cap hell and won't keep him). We could offer a 3rd rounder. Other possibilities are some DT depth, which ATL needs and we have to partially offset the trade cost. He's not a top-5 guy, but he's very likely a top-20 guy and we don't have one of those. I would not hate seeing him come in on a reasonable trade. Hurst for Sheppard and a 6. Who says no? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: And if he’s traded and then still reaches FA that same comp pick due to Atlanta would instead be due to the team that trades for him. He could be a very cheap one year rental with an option to buy. It’d have to be a cheap extension to keep beyond that. Because the Jets have so many draft picks I don’t see Douglas locking into someone like Hearst unless it was a major bargain, and probably at least one team will be willing to ante more than the Jets this upcoming March. I think his low ‘21 salary raised Atlanta’s price tag, though. All true. He's not the long term answer but I think he's better than anyone we have on our roster, which makes him worthwhile even if it's for a 1-year rental. Not sure if we will be getting comp picks next year or not (but I think we might be for the first time in a while) so that would be a plus but just having a guy here with good hands who can be reliable for Wilson sounds worth a mid-round pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, nycdan said: All true. He's not the long term answer but I think he's better than anyone we have on our roster, which makes him worthwhile even if it's for a 1-year rental. Not sure if we will be getting comp picks next year or not (but I think we might be for the first time in a while) so that would be a plus but just having a guy here with good hands who can be reliable for Wilson sounds worth a mid-round pick. I think it's pretty likely we'll earn comp picks for 2023. Even without Hurst, there are probably over a dozen guys with expiring contracts who'll qualify with more than veteran minimum offers from someone: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2022/all/new-york-jets/. Depends what Atlanta wants. Or maybe they're content keeping him for another year unless they get like a 3rd rounder, and based on his recent body of work I'd balk at that, too. I wasn't too impressed with the TEs against the Giants, but in fairness I don't see what they're seeing in practice (if one guy looks much better than some PS1 jitters). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Doggin94it said: Hurst for Sheppard and a 6. Who says no? Not bad. I’m stumped there so this probably pretty fair. But then again…who the hell has Shepherd on their radar? He was a small school 27 year old prospect when he was drafted by Macc. He probably had a UDFA grade by roughly 2/3 of NFL GM’s at that draft, no? Atlanta says no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensince69 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 is hh better than Ertz? I think we can get ertz for Jamison Crowder at this point and be a push on the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Not bad. I’m stumped there so this probably pretty fair. But then again…who the hell has Shepherd on their radar? He was a small school 27 year old prospect when he was drafted by Macc. He probably had a UDFA grade by roughly 2/3 of NFL GM’s at that draft, no? Atlanta says no. For reference, he'd be a starting DE in their 3-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Doggin94it said: For reference, he'd be a starting DE in their 3-4. Right but only if they have interest or know who he is. But you may be right and I may be underrating his market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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