Popular Post sec101row23 Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2021 If healthy Cole has a chance to be a major contributor in this offense. His versatility is exactly what the “system” requires. People think that drafting Moore makes Crowder expendable, but it’s actually Cole that will replace and take reps from Crowder. Cole can be the volume receiver in this offense. He can play inside or out and is much bigger than a traditional slot. I wouldn’t be surprised if he led the Jets in receptions this year. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, sec101row23 said: If healthy Cole has a chance to be a major contributor in this offense. His versatility is exactly what the “system” requires. People think that drafting Moore makes Crowder expendable, but it’s actually Cole that will replace and take reps from Crowder. Cole can be the volume receiver in this offense. He can play inside or out and is much bigger than a traditional slot. I wouldn’t be surprised if he led the Jets in receptions this year. i like the signing. every time i watched the Jags he was the guy i didnt go in expecting to see but did. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 He's a solid WR3/4 type of guy but it would be bad if he led the team in receptions this year. He's not that type of volume guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, k-met57 said: i like the signing. every time i watched the Jags he was the guy i didnt go in expecting to see but did. He can do a little of everything, he’s a good route runner and decent in the red zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: If healthy Cole has a chance to be a major contributor in this offense. His versatility is exactly what the “system” requires. People think that drafting Moore makes Crowder expendable, but it’s actually Cole that will replace and take reps from Crowder. Cole can be the volume receiver in this offense. He can play inside or out and is much bigger than a traditional slot. I wouldn’t be surprised if he led the Jets in receptions this year. Davis Mims Moore Crowder Cole It's a better group than we've had in quite a while, even if it still lacks that elite #1 most teams strive for. I hope you're right, hell, I hope all of um' perform to their potential, and WR, finally, isn't a talentless black hole of failure for this team. Rather have too many players than not enough. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 How is he getting on the field with Davis, Mims, Crowder and Moore ahead of him? I just dont see much playin time for him unless someone gets hurt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Just now, Joe W. Namath said: How is he getting on the field with Davis, Mims, Crowder and Moore ahead of him? I just dont see much playin time for him unless someone gets hurt. He’ll be on the field more than Crowder and Moore, especially at the start of the season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: He’ll be on the field more than Crowder and Moore, especially at the start of the season. Mims is going to have to earn time over him too, IMO. I’ll be thrilled if Mims plays well enough to consistently get snaps over Cole but I’m not entirely certain that’s a lock yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, derp said: Mims is going to have to earn time over him too, IMO. I’ll be thrilled if Mims plays well enough to consistently get snaps over Cole but I’m not entirely certain that’s a lock yet. True. I think Mims will battle with Davis for time at the X position, but Cole is the best fit of the remaining receivers for the Z role. I do think they’ll try Mims at the Z as well because the offense requires receivers to be versatile. Cole can be on the field in 2 or 3 receiver sets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: He’ll be on the field more than Crowder and Moore, especially at the start of the season. There is 0 chance Cole is getting more playing time then Crowder and Moore. And its ludicrous to suggest hes playing over Mims. Hes the 5th receiver on this team. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sonny Werblin Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, Warfish said: Davis Mims Moore Crowder Cole It's a better group than we've had in quite a while, even if it still lacks that elite #1 most teams strive for. I hope you're right, hell, I hope all of um' perform to their potential, and WR, finally, isn't a talentless black hole of failure for this team. Rather have too many players than not enough. Frankly, I think Moore has the potential to be a #1 in the mold of Stephen Smith and Antonio Brown. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sec101row23 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: There is 0 chance Cole is getting more playing time then Crowder and Moore. And its ludicrous to suggest hes playing over Mims. Hes the 5th receiver on this team. Ok, we’ll revisit this is September. I’m not sure you actually grasp the concepts at play. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: How is he getting on the field with Davis, Mims, Crowder and Moore ahead of him? I just dont see much playin time for him unless someone gets hurt. Do you actually see Crowder on the roster at the start of the season? I could be very wrong, but I do not see him on the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Frankly, I think Moore has the potential to be a #1 in the mold of Stephen Smith and Antonio Brown. They could all have the potential. I'm not attempting to look forward, only to evaluate what we know today. Just to be clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Davis Mims Moore Crowder Cole It's a better group than we've had in quite a while, even if it still lacks that elite #1 most teams strive for. I hope you're right, hell, I hope all of um' perform to their potential, and WR, finally, isn't a talentless black hole of failure for this team. Rather have too many players than not enough. It looks to me like we got 3 #2 receivers and 2 #3 receivers. That's better than having like 1 #2 receiver, 2 #3 receivers and 2 #4 receivers. And when the 1 #2 receiver got hurt, we had #3 and #4 wide receivers starting and finishing games for us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Keelan Cole is the security that makes Crowder especially expendable. there’s no good argument to keep crowder versus $10 mill savings when you have Moore starting and Cole who can play all 3 spots. I know people will say support the QB with weaponz but he will be supported even without Crowder. That $10 mill rolls over into next year. It’s sound business and Zach will still have plenty of good options even if/when someone gets hurt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: How is he getting on the field with Davis, Mims, Crowder and Moore ahead of him? I just dont see much playin time for him unless someone gets hurt. Last season Chris Hogan started on opening day. Tons of snaps went to Hogan, Jeff and Vyncint Smith, Berrios, Cager, Josh Malone. If the guy can play he will have the opportunity. Mims, Crowder and Davis are not exactly iron men and Moore is like 5'8". I don't know much about the player, but the thing that worries me is his catch rate. Then again, he has not had the best QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, DonCorleone said: Do you actually see Crowder on the roster at the start of the season? I could be very wrong, but I do not see him on the roster. Yes. Joe Douglas stated this already. Now if a team loses a receiver in camp and makes Douglas an offer he cant refuse, sure he can get traded. But I believe the plan is to let crowder play out the last year of his contract and then let him walk next offseason. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said: Yes. Joe Douglas stated this already. Now if a team loses a receiver in camp and makes Douglas an offer he cant refuse, sure he can get traded. But I believe the plan is to let crowder play out the last year of his contract and then let him walk next offseason. You're quite possibly right. For some reason. I believe he'll be gone. I think that Wide receivers went from being a glaring weakness for a strength. Crowder would only improve that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Davis will lead the team in receptions unless he gets hurt. And that is what you want. Davis is a beast and easily the best receiver on this team. People are sleeping on him. Having said that. Yeah, Cole should be a contributor. I think he WILL be a pleasant surprise. I'd rather Mims was a pleasant surprise and had a breakout season. But I think Cole will be solid. He's versatile. The biggest surprise will be Herndon. A lot of fans are ready to cut him. If LaFleur makes an effort to incorporate him in this offense and Herndon stays healthy he should be a key factor and we will see some of his playmaking ability. He just needs to figure out a way to stay healthy all year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Alka said: It looks to me like we got 3 #2 receivers and 2 #3 receivers. That's better than having like 1 #2 receiver, 2 #3 receivers and 2 #4 receivers. And when the 1 #2 receiver got hurt, we had #3 and #4 wide receivers starting and finishing games for us. I get a distinct "Who's on First" vibe from this post, lol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, David Harris said: Keelan Cole is the security that makes Crowder especially expendable. there’s no good argument to keep crowder versus $10 mill savings when you have Moore starting and Cole who can play all 3 spots. I know people will say support the QB with weaponz but he will be supported even without Crowder. That $10 mill rolls over into next year. It’s sound business and Zach will still have plenty of good options even if/when someone gets hurt. Agreed. Plus a traditional slot like Crowder generally doesn’t fit this offense well. Crowder could have a small role, but given his salary would it even be worth it? It will be interesting to see the personnel groupings the Jets will be in this year. Based on current personnel I don’t see a bunch of 21 personnel, and unless Herndon gets back on track I don’t see a lot of 12 personnel. That leaves the bulk of it in 11 personnel, which will have 3 receivers on the field. Lots to speculate about, but regardless I think Cole will have a decent role in this offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I don't know much about the player, but the thing that worries me is his catch rate. Catch rate was low his first two seasons, right about 52%, but up to 64% last two seasons. Hopefully that is a sign of maturity and development. Catch rate does not worry me for him heading into year 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, sec101row23 said: True. I think Mims will battle with Davis for time at the X position, but Cole is the best fit of the remaining receivers for the Z role. I do think they’ll try Mims at the Z as well because the offense requires receivers to be versatile. Cole can be on the field in 2 or 3 receiver sets. I suspect that the hope is that Moore gets a lot of play at the Z position eventually. They didn't stick at #34 to take a slot, they stayed there to take the WR getting super-rosy Tyreek Hill and Antonio Brown comps. Cole is/was probably mostly a backup plan for Crowder. If I'm the Jets, I'm playing Crowder early so that the veteran receiver helps the rookie QB adapt to the NFL. But with Cole and Moore (and maybe Berrios... ?) on the roster, I'd start listening to trade offers for Crowder before the deadline. I think Cole will be a contributor, but I'll be very surprised if he leads the team in receptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Agreed. Plus a traditional slot like Crowder generally doesn’t fit this offense well. Crowder could have a small role, but given his salary would it even be worth it? @slatsCould GB be a good landing spot for a 5th? Edited May 5, 2021 by 32EBoozer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, Alka said: It looks to me like we got 3 #2 receivers and 2 #3 receivers. That's better than having like 1 #2 receiver, 2 #3 receivers and 2 #4 receivers. And when the 1 #2 receiver got hurt, we had #3 and #4 wide receivers starting and finishing games for us. I don't think the 49ers had a true #1 when they went to the SB. Having as many weapons as possible is way better than having a Megatron. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 A lot of this WR1 vs. WR2 stuff is based on who's throwing. Would Davante Adams be considered a WR1 on the Jets last season with Darnold? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, slats said: I suspect that the hope is that Moore gets a lot of play at the Z position eventually. They didn't stick at #34 to take a slot, they stayed there to take the WR getting super-rosy Tyreek Hill and Antonio Brown comps. Cole is/was probably mostly a backup plan for Crowder. If I'm the Jets, I'm playing Crowder early so that the veteran receiver helps the rookie QB adapt to the NFL. But with Cole and Moore (and maybe Berrios... ?) on the roster, I'd start listening to trade offers for Crowder before the deadline. I think Cole will be a contributor, but I'll be very surprised if he leads the team in receptions. I don’t think that he’s a back up to Crowder as they are different types of receivers. I don’t see a scenario where Crowder and Moore coexist on the field at the same time, especially early on. I think they’ll use Moore in the slot first since it’s an easier transition and Moore’s skill set suits it the best. Day one 3 WR group would be Davis and Cole outside and Moore in the slot. I’d also expect to see Mims being moved around a bit as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Tranquilo said: He's a solid WR3/4 type of guy but it would be bad if he led the team in receptions this year. He's not that type of volume guy. Based on? He pretty much led the JAGs in his rookie year behind Robinson. I think you're pulling that assessment out of hat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 32 minutes ago, David Harris said: Keelan Cole is the security that makes Crowder especially expendable. there’s no good argument to keep crowder versus $10 mill savings when you have Moore starting and Cole who can play all 3 spots. I know people will say support the QB with weaponz but he will be supported even without Crowder. That $10 mill rolls over into next year. It’s sound business and Zach will still have plenty of good options even if/when someone gets hurt. Yes there is. He's far, far better. Crowder is hands down the most underrated player on this team. Not many better slot guys in the entire league. If he leaves I hope he goes to play with Aaron Rodgers and put up 1200 yards. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 24 minutes ago, PepPep said: Davis will lead the team in receptions unless he gets hurt. And that is what you want. Davis is a beast and easily the best receiver on this team. People are sleeping on him. Having said that. Yeah, Cole should be a contributor. I think he WILL be a pleasant surprise. I'd rather Mims was a pleasant surprise and had a breakout season. But I think Cole will be solid. He's versatile. I don't think anyone is sleeping on him considering most think he's our WR1... From a talent standpoint, I wouldn't auto-slot him over Mims. Personally, i think Mims will contest for WR1/spit end... (he'll be in Aiyuk role), with Davis/Cole as your rotating flankers/WR2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Paradis said: Based on? He pretty much led the JAGs in his rookie year behind Robinson. I think you're pulling that assessment out of hat. On a good team, I mean. If he has more receptions than the four guys we have here, that's an issue. Last year he had the 2nd most receptions on the Jags but Chark (2 less) and Shenault played less games than he did. He shouldn't be leading our team in receptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: There is 0 chance Cole is getting more playing time then Crowder and Moore. And its ludicrous to suggest hes playing over Mims. Hes the 5th receiver on this team. lol it's painful obvious that many don't have a clue who Keelan Cole is. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets0712 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 If healthy Cole has a chance to be a major contributor in this offense. His versatility is exactly what the “system” requires. People think that drafting Moore makes Crowder expendable, but it’s actually Cole that will replace and take reps from Crowder. Cole can be the volume receiver in this offense. He can play inside or out and is much bigger than a traditional slot. I wouldn’t be surprised if he led the Jets in receptions this year. Couldn’t agree moreSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: How is he getting on the field with Davis, Mims, Crowder and Moore ahead of him? I just dont see much playin time for him unless someone gets hurt. Coaching. That’s how. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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