Zac Wilson Vs. Trevor Lawrence

[THE BARON]

I'm still livid that the Jets blew their shot at Trevor Lawrence, but I must admit, Zac Wilson's abilities are intriguing.  I especially like his very quick delivery as compared to the slower, longer throwing motion that Lawrence has.

Anyone care to predict which QB will have the better rookie season ???

[Wit]

Jets will have a better record, but Lawrence will have a better season. He’s more polished and his body is more nfl ready at this point. 

[THE BARON]

3 minutes ago, Wit said:

Jets will have a better record, but Lawrence will have a better season. He’s more polished and his body is more nfl ready at this point. 

All things equal, I think I agree... BUT...  I have a feeling Urban Meyer may be a total disaster.  That may be the difference.  

[kdels62]

Wilson will be better than Lawrence at all times. This is gonna come down to Wilson vs Fields.

[HawkeyeJet]

8 minutes ago, Wit said:

Jets will have a better record, but Lawrence will have a better season. He’s more polished and his body is more nfl ready at this point. 

Not trying to be argumentative, but what about Lawrence's body screams NFL ready?  He is incredibly thin and lanky, recent shoulder surgery etc.

This was one thing in tbe draft buildup that I scratched my head about with Lawrence.  He does not have the build to stand up to NFL beatings any more than Wilson does, but part of his prestige is his ability to run.  Just doesn't add up to me.

[THE BARON]

Just now, kdels62 said:

Wilson will be better than Lawrence at all times. This is gonna come down to Wilson vs Fields.

Interesting take.  Do you see a flaw with Lawrence or do you expect his coaching staff wont put him in a good position to succeed ???

[Fantasy Island]

Too early to tell, but I hope Zach.

[kdels62]

Just now, THE BARON said:

Interesting take.  Do you see a flaw with Lawrence or do you expect his coaching staff wont put him in a good position to succeed ???

Yes. Elongated throwing motion that requires space in order to create torque for accurate throws. When that space compresses he skies balls and loses accuracy. He faced little pressure over 3 years and unlike Wilson or Fields his performance under pressure is drastically different than his performance in clean pockets.

[The Crusher]

16 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

I'm still livid that the Jets blew their shot at Trevor Lawrence, but I must admit, Zac Wilson's abilities are intriguing.  I especially like his very quick delivery as compared to the slower, longer throwing motion that Lawrence has.

Anyone care to predict which QB will have the better rookie season ???

Tell me more 

[THE BARON]

12 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Not trying to be argumentative, but what about Lawrence's body screams NFL ready?  Is is incredibly thin and lanky, recent shoulder surgery etc.

This was one thing in tbe draft buildup that I scratched my head about with Lawrence.  He does not have the build to stand up to NFL beatings any more than Wilson does, but part of his prestige is his ability to run.  Just doesn't add up to me.

I don't think it is his "body" that the pundits say is more NFL ready.   More like his overall game.  For that matter, Mac Jones was said to be even more NFL ready than Lawrence.   Obviously, Mac Joes does not appear to have amazing physical abilities, but he played under center in a pro-set most of the time.  

I think watching Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Jones and Lance progress is going to be the best part of the coming season.  Though, Lance may not see the field until 2022.   

[The Crusher]

13 minutes ago, Wit said:

Jets will have a better record, but Lawrence will have a better season. He’s more polished and his body is more nfl ready at this point. 

Tebow will outplay both of them. 

[Bronx]

Wilson,. because I'm a Jets fan. It won't be the first time or last that I'm wrong...but God damnit, I have to root 100% for our Zach.

[Biggs]

If they were the Payton brothers Zach would be Payton.  A total football junkie who will know everything and be able to run a very complex O.  Lawrence has that dumb don't give a crap face and attitude that spells performance under pressure and mediocre in most regular season games.  He really reminds me of Eli.  

 

[THE BARON]

4 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Yes. Elongated throwing motion that requires space in order to create torque for accurate throws. When that space compresses he skies balls and loses accuracy. He faced little pressure over 3 years and unlike Wilson or Fields his performance under pressure is drastically different than his performance in clean pockets.

Could very well be.  Not like Lawrence has a wind-up like Tim Tebow, but he does have a longer throwing motion than you would like to see.   Wilson has a super compact, super quick delivery.  He also seems to be able to throw the ball accurately from just about any position or any condition.  There is also a lot more examples on tape of Wilson hitting covered receives vs. what the tape there is on Lawrence.

If Wilson can do in the NFL what he did in college, he will be a very exciting player. 

[Savage69]

37 minutes ago, Wit said:

Jets will have a better record, but Lawrence will have a better season. He’s more polished and his body is more nfl ready at this point. 

So Trevor

Born:	October 6, 1999 (age 21) Knoxville, Tennessee
Height:	6 ft 6 in (1.98 m)
Weight:	213 lb (97 kg)

  

is more ready then Wilson

Born:	August 3, 1999 (age 21) Draper, Utah
Height:	6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight:	214 lb (97 kg)

Based on what he's taller??

 

 

 

[HawkeyeJet]

20 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

I don't think it is his "body" that the pundits say is more NFL ready.   More like his overall game.  For that matter, Mac Jones was said to be even more NFL ready than Lawrence.   Obviously, Mac Joes does not appear to have amazing physical abilities, but he played under center in a pro-set most of the time.  

I think watching Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Jones and Lance progress is going to be the best part of the coming season.  Though, Lance may not see the field until 2022.   

The post I was quoting stated "body is more NFl ready". That's why I asked. I don't know if any pundits talked about Lawrence physique at all, but I didn't hear it.  Wilson, at least around here, definitely had "durability concerns", comments about his size, frame etc.

[THE BARON]

10 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

The post I was quoting stated "body is more NFl ready". That's why I asked. I don't know if any pundits talked about Lawrence physique at all, but I didn't hear it.  Wilson, at least around here, definitely had "durability concerns", comments about his size, frame etc.

I think the talk of durability issues with Wilson stems from the shoulder injury he had.  The labrum on his trowing shoulder required surgery.  The word is he had that injury since high school and he finally decided to get surgery on it in 2019.  Seems to be just fine now. He did his best work at BYU after the surgery.  Wilson is also built like a tank from the waist down.  

The Jets brass also seem to be taking his protection seriously as they added a prime piece to the offensive line with their second overall pick in this past draft. 

[jgb]

QB -- JAX. Lawrence is a superior prospect, has experience (and success) in big stage games.

WEAPONZ -- JAX. Jacksonville's weaponinz have more experience and by every metric are better than the Jets weaponz, which are largely untested and unknown. Jax also has an established running game, nice security blanket for rookie QBs.

SITUATION -- JAX. Jacksonville plays in what appears to be an easier division at this point for 2021.

DEFENSE -- PUSH. Both teams' defenses are likely to suck.

 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, THE BARON said:

Anyone care to predict which QB will have the better rookie season ???

Not really.

[munchmemory]

I'd give almost anything to see the top five QBs selected all bust out.    Just to watch the saps in the media (not here, of course) squirm and spout myriad excuses.  Would be better than watching Sopranos/Mad Men at their peaks.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I'd give almost anything to see the top five QBs selected all bust out.    Just to watch the saps in the media (not here, of course) squirm and spout myriad excuses.  Would be better than watching Sopranos/Mad Men at their peaks.

If Lawrence busts he will probably be considered the biggest bust of all time. He is one of the most pumped up QB prospects ever.

[munchmemory]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

If Lawrence busts he will probably be considered the biggest bust of all time. He is one of the most pumped up QB prospects ever.

I'd buy a new TV just to watch the sweat on "analysts", scouts, HCs and the rest.  Would be unbelievably entertaining.

[jgb]

8 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I'd buy a new TV just to watch the sweat on "analysts", scouts, HCs and the rest.  Would be unbelievably entertaining.

It is fun to point out the big whiffs from the experts but I don't think the Mel Kipers of the world are concerned about their misses. We keep watching. They're laughing all the way to the bank win, lose or draw.

[Larz]

You woke up livid?

Dude

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

11 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I'd give almost anything to see the top five QBs selected all bust out.    Just to watch the saps in the media (not here, of course) squirm and spout myriad excuses.  Would be better than watching Sopranos/Mad Men at their peaks.

Yea. That would be great considering one of the five is the Jets QB.  Where do some Jets fans come up with this stuff?  Enjoyment from watching your own team fail?  I want to watch football and I want the Jets to start winning. Seriously, I can't understand trading off 50-60 hours (17 games x 3+ hours) of excitement and football enjoyment for 10 minutes of warped enjoyment  watching Mel Kiper (?) explain why this QB class failed.  I can watch shows like the Sopranos and Mad Men for entertainment any other time than Sundays in the Fall.  

[munchmemory]

1 minute ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Yea. That would be great considering one of the five is the Jets QB.  Where do some Jets fans come up with this stuff?  Enjoyment from watching your own team fail?  I want to watch football and I want the Jets to start winning. Seriously, I can't understand trading off 50-60 hours (17 games x 3+ hours) of excitement and football enjoyment for 10 minutes of warped enjoyment  watching Mel Kiper (?) explain why this QB class failed.  I can watch shows like the Sopranos and Mad Men for entertainment any other time than Sundays in the Fall.  

Why take this so seriously?  Do you really think I want it to happen?  That it will happen?  It's just an exercise as to what might be hilarious to watch.

[Beerfish]

Seeing as the Jets supposedly had Wilson as their #1 guy if we had the #1 pick in this draft this forum would be a blaze if we passed on Lawrence.

Lawrence is the #1 prospect ahead of anyone else but some of us on here stated a LONG time ago that A) Lawrence was not some generational guy and that b) The gap between Lawrence and the other top QBs was not large.

I hope all ya hosers that were cheering for the Pats to beat the Jets are red faced with shame.

 

[UntouchableCrew]

I think Lawrence is too talented to "fail" but I wouldn't be shocked by a slow start. The offense Clemson runs is further from an NFL offense than what Wilson or Fields are used to and I think that coaching staff is a mess. I'm extremely bearish on Urban and Schotty and Darrell Bevell are not the guys I'd call to devleop a young QB.

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Seeing as the Jets supposedly had Wilson as their #1 guy if we had the #1 pick in this draft this forum would be a blaze if we passed on Lawrence.

Lawrence is the #1 prospect ahead of anyone else but some of us on here stated a LONG time ago that A) Lawrence was not some generational guy and that b) The gap between Lawrence and the other top QBs was not large.

I hope all ya hosers that were cheering for the Pats to beat the Jets are red faced with shame.

 

Victory lap false start

[BROOKLYN JET]

Zach Wilson will have bigger rallies.

MJGA!!!!!!

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

Wilson will be better than Lawrence at all times. This is gonna come down to Wilson vs Fields.

 

So it's...

1A Wilson vs. 1B Fields.... and Lawrence is the 3rd best QB?

 

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

 

So it's...

1A Wilson vs. 1B Fields.... and Lawrence is the 3rd best QB?

 

Absurd takes get a laugh and are forgotten. But the bump value if they turn out true is forever.

[Sonny Werblin]

I think it's funny to compare my excitement over learning more about Wilson to my excitement about Darnold in the months after the Jets drafted each of them ..... 

Wilson --- he's a football junkie who loves to watch film and calls his coaches in the wee hours of the morning with play ideas;  he's bigger and more solid then we thought; and relishes taking on a leadership role

Darnold -- his grandfather's name was Dick Hammer and was the Marlboro man; he likes to surf and hang out with his friends;  and Mac liked that his teammates at USC were fond of him 

[Jet Nut]

8 hours ago, Savage69 said:

So Trevor

Born:	October 6, 1999 (age 21) Knoxville, Tennessee
Height:	6 ft 6 in (1.98 m)
Weight:	213 lb (97 kg)

  

is more ready then Wilson

Born:	August 3, 1999 (age 21) Draper, Utah
Height:	6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight:	214 lb (97 kg)

Based on what he's taller??

 

 

 

Its ridiculous at this point.  Throw in history and I would love to know where these comments come from.  Is K Murray thick?  L Jackson, a running QB, how thick is he?  How tall is Baker?  How about Brees?  Go back to Tarkington.  Yet Darnold at the so called prototypical size has yet to play a injury free season.  Burrow went down.  

It seems to be the luck of the draw, who gets hit and how that determines who comes through a season injury free.  

Bit crying that R Anderson shouldnt be counted on because his body type predetermined that he would be an injury risk comes to mind 

[k-met57]

2 hours ago, THE BARON said:

I'm still livid that the Jets blew their shot at Trevor Lawrence, but I must admit, Zac Wilson's abilities are intriguing.  I especially like his very quick delivery as compared to the slower, longer throwing motion that Lawrence has.

Anyone care to predict which QB will have the better rookie season ???

I dont know why but Lawrence laid back , my sh*t dont stink attitude bugs me. I am deathly afraid that we missed on the next Tom Brady....but i just dont like his disposition.