Julio being traded to Tennessee

[Defense Wins Championships]

No talk about his character? 

Or does character concerens only apply, to Jets? 

He became an ATL locker room cancer and a distraction to his teammates.

He wanted out.

He forced a trade;

he's just your typical Keyshawn Johnson type of me first WR Diva. 

To sport Dallas Cowboys gear while still under contract by Atlanta was absolutely DISGUSTING on Julio Jones' behalf. 

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

the national media loves taking shots at the Jets any chance they can get 

There are three things the national media does not understand at all.  Salary, Age and a player limiting his compensation by only wanting to go to certain teams.

[Larz]

Seems Like a leak to squeeze the market 

well see

[DepressedJetsFan23]

48 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

"Just Another Guy"

Thank you 

[Maynard13]

2 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

Jamal Adams was traded for two #1’s

Coup of the Century 

[Defense Wins Championships]

2 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

Jamal Adams was traded for two #1’s

Coup of the Century 

Don't forget the extra 3rd (in exchange for a 4th). 

[Maynard13]

42 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

There are three things the national media does not understand at all.  Salary, Age and a player limiting his compensation by only wanting to go to certain teams.

He’s 32. He’s played about 10 years. He’s way way expensive. He has considerable wear and tear. He’s been injured over the last few years. And why on earth are we discussing trading for him when he’s being traded to the Titans. He is NOT a viable option here boys and girls, so GET OVER IT!

[Maynard13]

4 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Don't forget the extra 3rd (in exchange for a 4th). 

Candles on the cake ? 

[JustInFudge]

Great trade for both teams.  Tenn offense is going to be fun to watch.

[Rhg1084]

47 minutes ago, Larz said:

Seems Like a leak to squeeze the market 

well see

It’s official 

[addage]

3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I'm reading a 2nd & 5th is the compensation. Seems like we could have beat that. Julio probably wouldn't be too excited about going to the Jets though. Maybe it was never an option.

Why would you want to?  Jets aren't a contender this year.  We need those picks.  By the time we are a contender, Julio's probably past it.  If JD continues his strong cap management, we can "rent" that year's Julio equivalent.

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Don't forget the extra 3rd (in exchange for a 4th). 

Essentially the 4th was for the jag safety we got from them.  Two 1sts and a 3rd for jamalaboutme

[More Cowbell]

4 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

I don’t think Julio was the right fit for us. He’s an aging receiver, we’re a rebuilding team 

He's an instant 1200 yards and 7 to 10 TD's

[freestater]

2 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

I'm not that STUPID;

[Defense Wins Championships]

57 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Great trade for both teams.  Tenn offense is going to be fun to watch.

Up until the PLAYOFFS, that is. 

Because postseason Football is when Ryan Tannehill becomes exposed as nothing more than a game manager who can't take his game to the NEXT LEVEL. 

4 Playoff appearances with only 6 TD passes?

That's never going to be able to get it done for Tennessee. 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, Maynard13 said:

He’s 32. He’s played about 10 years. He’s way way expensive. He has considerable wear and tear. He’s been injured over the last few years. And why on earth are we discussing trading for him when he’s being traded to the Titans. He is NOT a viable option here boys and girls, so GET OVER IT!

Yup.

Julio is a good fit for only about a 6-8 teams right now, all playoff contenders.  The Titans were one of them.  It's a good fit and the Titans are trying to get to a SB in a 2-3 year window right now.  This move is also in part due to the Jets signing away Corey Davis.  Tennessee doesn't make this move if they still had Davis opposite AJ Brown + Derrick Henry.

 

[Defense Wins Championships]

3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

He's an instant 1200 yards and 7 to 10 TD's

No, he's not. 

He's had 6 years of 6 TDs (or fewer) and only 1 year of double digit TDs (10, 2012). 

And @ 32 years old he's coming off a 51 catch, 771 receiving yards and 3 TD season (due to missing 7 games because of a hamstring injury). 

He's an awesome WR yes, but he's now going from Matt Ryan to Ryan Tannehill and there a big time drop off because Matt Ryan has never had to be hidden behind a Derrick Henry type of run 1st Offense. 

[JetsFanShawn]

5 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

Jets play Tennessee week 4 at home

we should win that one im puttin down some money in my head

[Jet Nut]

He missed 7 games last year and missed parts of the 9 games he played in.  

Hes not a fit for a young rebuilding team.   Hes great when healthy, would love him, just not now

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

No talk about his character? 

Or does character concerens only apply, to Jets? 

He became an ATL locker room cancer and a distraction to his teammates.

He wanted out.

He forced a trade;

he's just your typical Keyshawn Johnson type of me first WR Diva. 

To sport Dallas Cowboys gear while still under contract by Atlanta was absolutely DISGUSTING on Julio Jones' behalf. 

He’ll still make the Falcons Ring of Honor no matter if he streaks naked with his limp wang painted with Patriot mascot on it!

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Jones is a great receiver, but he's perpetually banged up.  I don't think he's practiced more than a few weeks in the past 3 seasons.  He's questionable every Wednesday and remains iffy until game day.  Plus, he left a few games early with injuries the past 2 seasons, so you can't just look at games started and games played.  He's got 2-3 years left tops and maybe less.  He is as bad a fit for the Jets as there is at WR and vice versa because of his age and his massive salary.  The good news is that he didn't go to the Pats or the Seahawks where he could be dangerous this season if he stays healthy.  He's a short term fix now if he can stay on the field.

[Biggs]

People bad mouthing Jones is comically.  The guy would be in the argument for one of the 5 greatest players in our teams history.  It's a great move for TN.  With Henry they literally force defenses to load the box.  Tannenhill isn't a great QB but he has a much more live arm than Ryan.  He's going to put balls on him quicker down the field off of play action.   He's likely to take less full contact hits and protect himself.   It's a nice fit for him and TN.  

The Jets should not have given up any draft capital for Julio.  He's got 2 years of peak performance left if he takes care of his body and TN doesn't throw him into a ton of big hits.  TN is making a run and this makes them a much more dangerous team.  

If Corey Davis can stay on the field he's a nice addition for us.  TN has made a dramatic upgrade.

[More Cowbell]

4 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

No, he's not. 

He's had 6 years of 6 TDs (or fewer) and only 1 year of double digit TDs (10, 2012). 

And @ 32 years old he's coming off a 51 catch, 771 receiving yards and 3 TD season (due to missing 7 games because of a hamstring injury). 

He's an awesome WR yes, but he's now going from Matt Ryan to Ryan Tannehill and there a big time drop off because Matt Ryan has never had to be hidden behind a Derrick Henry type of run 1st Offense. 

Boy, I should save this. If Jones stays healthy he is going to light it up. He missed practically half the season and still had nearly 800 yards. 

[New York Mick]

It’s a good addition for the Titan. If you key on Henry and leave Jones and Brown in single coverage they’re going to burn you enough to make you change it up. If you have to double them up Henry is going to keep moving the chains. Jones doesn’t need to have 1000 yards and 10 TDs to be effective. If he’s second in stats to Brown but helps the team win it was a good trade. 

[Defense Wins Championships]

20 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Boy, I should save this. If Jones stays healthy he is going to light it up. He missed practically half the season and still had nearly 800 yards. 

Save it. 

Imo he won't light it up because he's in a heavy run first offense led by Derrick Henry, will share balls with AJ Brown and Ryan Tannehill isn't a very good QB (game manager, at best). 

Yes. Julio Jones makes Tennessee a lot better however he's 32 years old, will be learning a new Offense and missed 7 games because of a hamstring injury. 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Save it. 

Imo he won't light it up because he's in a heavy run first offense led by Derrick Henry, will share balls with AJ Brown and Ryan Tannehill isn't a very good QB (game manager, at best). 

Yes. Julio Jones makes Tennessee a lot better however he's 32 years old, will be learning a new Offense and missed 7 games because of a hamstring injury. 

So what, he is preforming at a high level, has been very healthy until last season so we aren't  talking about someone like Davis who alway seems to be hurt, and Tanny is better than what  Ryan is at this point in his career.  I'm pretty sure Tn will get Jones the ball. 

[Sperm Edwards]

9 hours ago, TokyoJetsFan said:

They also leave out Julio is owed like $33mn in guaranteed money in his remaining contract of which Atlanta wanted to pay none of it.  If they would have then they would have gotten higher draft picks in return.  

Where do you see that? I may be looking at after-trade numbers, but it seems he had $15MM base salary guaranteed this year and then his next two seasons after that aren't guaranteed (but are a good amount lower, at $11.5MM apiece).

You may have been looking at amortized signing bonus that would've hit Atlanta's cap whether he's there or not. But that's money that Atlanta paid in the past, not new money to be paid in the future.

Either that or the contract numbers changed as part of the trade, but I'm not seeing that. 

[Defense Wins Championships]

38 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

has been very healthy until last season so we aren't talking about someone like Davis who alway seems to be hurt,

I wouldn't call Julio as a player who's been "very healthy" throughout his NFL career...

As a rookie (2011) he missed 3 games due to a broken bone in his foot dating back to his final college season. 

As a 3rd year player (2013) he suffered a fractured foot and missed the rest of the season... Missed 11 games. 

(Jet fans would have SO BEEN calling him INJURY PRONE after 14 missed games throughout only his 1st 3 seasons...)

And from there he pretty much remained healthy, up until last year.

Where he missed another 7 games due to a lingering hamstring injury and now he'll look to make another comeback but this time @ 32 years old. 

Since being drafted he's played 10 years and has missed 25 games; that's an average of 2.5 missed games per season. 

Funny how you decided to mention "Corey Davis". 

What are you even talking about? 

Corey Davis (unlike Julio Jones) has never missed anything more than 5 games during a single season due to injury. 

Corey Davis missed 5 games as a rookie (2017) due to a hamstring injury.

Corey Davis played all 16 games as a 2nd year player (2018).

Corey Davis only missed 1 game due to a bruised hip and played in 15 games as a 3rd year player (2019). 

And Corey Davis last year as a 4th year player (2020) played in 14 games and only missed 2 gms. One of those missed games was because of Covid-19 Protocol (doesn't count as an "injury" and PS: Davis elected to play a day after the death of his older brother to cancer, recording five catches for 67 yards. 

etc. etc. 

But yet you'll use words like "always seems to be hurt" when talking Corey Davis?

Weird. 

Throughout 4 years, Corey Davis has only missed 7 games due to injury (1.75 games missed due to injury per season). 

And you do know that outside of Corey's rookie season, over the previous 3 years he's only missed 2 games due to "injury" and has played in 45 games (compared to Julio who missed 7 games last year). 

Please @More Cowbell please never act and pretend as if Corey Davis "always seems to be injured". 

[Defense Wins Championships]

Corey Davis really hasn't been injured at all throughout his previous 3 years (outside of his rookie season 4 years ago) so I'm really not sure what some fans are talking about...

[Sperm Edwards]

Tennessee really isn't giving up much. Yeah it's a 2nd rounder, but it's in 2022 not this year. They get the player now but don't have to give up anything this season. There's a reason future-year picks are typically valued at a round lower than the current year. The 2023 4th rounder (also expectedly a lower one) has even less value. On paper it's like a 6th rounder this year. Not exactly, but not far off because Tennessee figures to be picking in the 20s: barring a Tannehill injury they should run away with that division.

All in this seems roughly the compensation for the high 3rd round pick we used to trade up for AVT, if even that much. Tennessee considers themselves contenders right now, just lost a starting WR to free agency, and can make this fit (without doing to themselves what Atlanta did to themselves with Ryan), so this was a great trade for them. A late 2nd rounder next season isn't going to help them this year, might not even help them next year, and these contender-windows don't stay open forever. 

[Defense Wins Championships]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

So what, he is preforming at a high level, has been very healthy until last season so we aren't  talking about someone like Davis who alway seems to be hurt.

Can't even fit all of Julio's injuries on 1 screen shot (like you can Corey Davis). 

@More Cowbell

You were saying....?

???

[Defense Wins Championships]

27 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Tennessee really isn't giving up much. Yeah it's a 2nd rounder, but it's in 2022 not this year. They get the player now but don't have to give up anything this season. There's a reason future-year picks are typically valued at a round lower than the current year. The 2023 4th rounder (also expectedly a lower one) has even less value. On paper it's like a 6th rounder this year. Not exactly, but not far off because Tennessee figures to be picking in the 20s: barring a Tannehill injury they should run away with that division.

All in this seems roughly the compensation for the high 3rd round pick we used to trade up for AVT, if even that much. Tennessee considers themselves contenders right now, just lost a starting WR to free agency, and can make this fit (without doing to themselves what Atlanta did to themselves with Ryan), so this was a great trade for them. A late 2nd rounder next season isn't going to help them this year, might not even help them next year, and these contender-windows don't stay open forever. 

Sperm. Can we at least wait until we first see how Julio returns from injury @ 32 years old before assuming he'll return as the same player he once was?

It'll be a lot different if he got injured early on in 2020 but then returned to close out the season super strong...

However. That isn't the case. 

• Jones strained his left hamstring in the team's Week 2 loss to the Cowboys (left the game early). He then missed 1 game the following week. 

• Jones aggravated his hamstring injury in Monday's loss to the Packers (left the game early). He was inactive for Week 5 game against the Panthers and missed 1 game.

• Jones was examined for a hamstring injury during the Week 11 loss to the Saints (left the game early). He missed the next game. 

• Jones aggravated his hamstring injury after coming out of a Week 13 game against the Saint (Left the game early). He closed out the 2020 season with four straight missed games.

So not only did he miss 7 games but he also had to exit another 4 games early. 

There is a big difference between a Hamstring injury to a 21 year old rookie (Denzel Mims) when in comparison to an aging 32 year old (who's had a history of Hammy's throughout his younger career). 

A hamstring injury to a 32 year old could become BIG TIME TROUBLES moving forward (which is why Atlanta shipped his ass out of there). 

Mims = 439 snap count. 

Julio= 468 snap count. 

The difference?

Mims returned from injury and played 9 consecutive games (to close out the season) without ever re-aggravating his hamstring. 

Julio had to close it down and missed the final 4 games and that's even after re-aggravating his hamstring throughout the entire season (missing another 3 games + leaving another 4 early). 

[Dcat]

12 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

Also, what the heck is Atlanta doing? I figured when they took Pitts they were gonna try to make one more run at contention with that high powered offense. Now with Julio gone it woulda made sense to blow everything up and trade Ryan too and probably drafted Fields 

I guess this is the new normal for trading disgruntled talented WRs. 

Atlanta got essentially the same value ( a 2nd plus a 2023 4th)  as Houston did for Hopkins (a 2nd + David Johnson).  With Nuk being a lot younger.  

We Jets fans just have to be thankful that the market for disgruntled safeties is much more rewarding than is the market disgruntled WRs.  Either that or Joe Douglas is a Master Thief.

[TokyoJetsFan]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Where do you see that? I may be looking at after-trade numbers, but it seems he had $15MM base salary guaranteed this year and then his next two seasons after that aren't guaranteed (but are a good amount lower, at $11.5MM apiece).

You may have been looking at amortized signing bonus that would've hit Atlanta's cap whether he's there or not. But that's money that Atlanta paid in the past, not new money to be paid in the future.

Either that or the contract numbers changed as part of the trade, but I'm not seeing that. 

How dare you question me!  lol I literally heard it on the radio when they announced the trade when I was driving.  I just checked over the cap and I think you are right.  They must have included that signing bonus number in the figure, which is incorrect.

[Jackie Treehorn]

11 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Jamal Adams was traded for two #1’s

Coup of the Century