BurnleyJet 9,682 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Trade him, he’s a very reliable slot, but out receivers are much improved. I don’t him taking snaps from Moore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 34,405 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, The Crusher said: 5 million a year? Be weird to have a life where you be like,”F-that man!” Haha. All relative how many of us would react to a 50% paycut? When I was working for a law firm during the financial crisis everyone got a 10% paycut. Boom, just like that. Your option? Swallow it or go elsewhere. I worked there for 3 more years. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 34,405 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 9 minutes ago, Alka said: Sign him for a 2 year $14M contract. This year and next. 8 Million guaranteed, if the Jets cut him after this year, he still gets 1 Million next year in dead money, and he can go sign somewhere else. Yeah in most negotiations you gotta give to get. This is a sensible compromise solution. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Harris 7,838 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 I sympathize with Crowder’s dilemma. Guy is a pros pro and was our best player last year. He’s done everything right, and he’s been paid handsomely for it. But business is business. You can’t pay a part time slot-only guy 8 figures. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Warfish 34,033 Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 5 hours ago, clayton163v said: Remember, the Jets now have Davis, Mims, Cole and Moore. A #2 with a history of hit or miss effort, a complete unknown with an injury history, a #3 of no special note and a complete unknown rookie. Could be a great group, could maybe not. We do not need the cap space. This is penny wise, pound foolish. In a year where everything should be about giving Wilson the maximum weapons, cutting Crowder is just dumb. Quote I would like to keep Crowder too, but it is not longer a necessity. Is it not? What if Mims is Mims and gets hurt and misses time, and Davis gets hurt. Both reasonable possibilities. You feeling good about Cole as your #1? Moore the slot. Berrios the #3? Cause I don't. Not at all. 3 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigRy56 7,293 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 This is only worth it if we’re going to go after Moses and Steven Nelson/Sherman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Warfish 34,033 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 minutes ago, David Harris said: I sympathize with Crowder’s dilemma. Guy is a pros pro and was our best player last year. He’s done everything right, and he’s been paid handsomely for it. But business is business. You can’t pay a part time slot-only guy 8 figures. Part time, eh? One minicamp and Moore is already the uncontested starter I guess? Doesn't have to actually beat out Crowder first? Gotta love Jet Fan optimism. Competition isn't needed, every draft pick is an All-Pro to come, lol. Did you SEE that minicamp! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southparkcpa 9,243 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 18 minutes ago, undertow said: If I'm Crowder I take no pay cut the Jets aren't in need of cap space... I play it out if I get cut I go play for a winning team. Agreed. he has a contract. I hate holdouts etc.. but in reverse, we can ask a player to take a cut BUT he can and has the right to leave. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undertow 2,716 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, ncjetman said: who says he’d make 10 mil on open market? i doubt that - a good maybe very good slot receiver but top tier money in a cash strapped off season? i most definitely want him back but football is a tough business - i’m pretty sure my life would be good good good if i was taking in 5 mil this year - and the bottom line is his agent has to understand the market for slot receivers in general and crowder in particular- if they believe they can get closer to 10 mil if the jets cut him then he should call their bluff - if not he should negotiate in good faith and take the best deal jd will offer - we’re gonna know soon i’m sure Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Even if he can only get 5 or 6 mil on the open market right now why would he choose to take that with a bad team, with a rookie QB, and a team that he has no future with rather then a winning team he can put up better numbers with going into free agency? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post The Crusher 232,238 Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 14 minutes ago, jgb said: All relative how many of us would react to a 50% paycut? When I was working for a law firm during the financial crisis everyone got a 10% paycut. Boom, just like that. Your option? Swallow it or go elsewhere. I worked there for 3 more years. I have 5 kids, 50% pay cut around here called Thursday. 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN 3,912 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, Untouchable said: JD says you’ll take this and like it Bossanova 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post undertow 2,716 Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 I'm so confused as to why people are wanting to get rid of a proven WR when we are not in need of cap space and have a rookie QB....are we worried about saving Woody Johnson 10 million bucks? 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 41,539 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: This is so strange. Why? What is the point of this? Guy was a warrior for this team last season and has zero reason to take a pay cut. They'll cut him and he'll get a 2-3 year deal from someone else and have choices on where he goes... Agreed, I guess Douglas has his ideas of what he wants to pay guys but we don't exactly need the cap space right now and no need to get a rep if you can just let it slide this year and deal with it at the end of the year. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jet_Engine1 15,818 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: This is so strange. Why? What is the point of this? Guy was a warrior for this team last season and has zero reason to take a pay cut. They'll cut him and he'll get a 2-3 year deal from someone else and have choices on where he goes... Agreed. Kind of a sh*tty, cheapskate look. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy2020 7,132 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 44 minutes ago, Larz said: Subtract the rookie pool and the 10 million teams need for in season injuries and resubmit your query Hint the rookie pool is 16 mill https://overthecap.com/draft/ Again, who's the corner or OT that the Jets are going to be handing that cap money over to? They currently have the 2nd most free space in the league. There's no player they'd give that much too regardless of how much you would rather quibble about the amount instead of answering the question. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BornJetsFan1983 7,010 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: This prob won’t end well https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-want-jamison-crowder-to-take-at-least-a-50-percent-pay-cut-on-his-10m-salary-per-report/amp/ Yes!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BornJetsFan1983 7,010 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Agreed. Kind of a sh*tty, cheapskate look. Are you guys crazy ?? He is not worth the money. JD did what a good hm does looks out for the team and pays talent what they are worth. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Larz 74,155 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Again, who's the corner or OT that the Jets are going to be handing that cap money over to? They currently have the 2nd most free space in the league. There's no player they'd give that much too regardless of how much you would rather quibble about the amount instead of answering the question. So you are conceding that it’s not 27 million it’s really more like 1 million? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Jet_Engine1 15,818 Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 2 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Are you guys crazy ?? He is not worth the money. JD did what a good hm does looks out for the team and pays talent what they are worth. They have plenty of cap space, no pressing financial problems, plenty of cash for any additional FAs they might want to grab, and plenty of room on next years projected cap. Mims is so far underwhelming, Moore is promising but an unknown, and Cole is getting a lot of hype for a former UDFA. Crowder is in his last year of a deal, has been nothing but a solid pro on a disaster of a team, produced despite being in the worst Offense in tye league, and is a dependable and know commodity. This just makes the Jets look cheap. No reason for ******* the guy. I'd tell JD to go **** himself, and either pay me what my contract says, or cut me now. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Larz 74,155 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Wilson already took someone’s job AVT will take someone’s job Csrter will take someone’s job the jets are giving crowder a chance to stay or Moore or Berries takes his job this is how well run teams function I know we’re not used to it lol 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BornJetsFan1983 7,010 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 minutes ago, Larz said: Wilson already took someone’s job AVT will take someone’s job Csrter will take someone’s job the jets are giving crowder a chance to stay or Moore or Berries takes his job this is how well run teams function I know we’re not used to it lol That's the real problem we are not use to the way a team is supposed to run. We all want it but when ever it happens it's weird and scary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
More Cowbell 6,584 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 hours ago, Warfish said: The usual hyperbole re: our WR is already rampant at JN, as expected. Davis, a career #2, is already an elite #1 to some of our fans. Cole, basically a league afterthought before we got him, is now an elite #2. Mims, a reliable young superstar in the making. Moore, already the best slot in the NFL after one minimcamp. So sure, if you believe all that already, I guess we can cut Crowder, the actual best and most reliable WR on our roster right now thru today. If you project that all our new WR's will all be great, then everything will be great. Just remember this if we get to ~Week 10 and Davis is hurt, Mims is hurt, and Moore has 10 catches for 90 yards all season, and we're starting Cole and Berrios at #1 and #2 WR spots. When half the board is saying "we can't really evaluate Wilson's poor numbers because of his weak WR corps". There is no earthly reason to let Crowder go, most certainly not over a few million in cap space. He is Wilson Insurance. The Jets haven't spent to the cap in years, any claim that the saving we get from Crowder is "needed" to "get a star" is laughable. Post of the year. Could not have said it better. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
freestater 17,073 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 30 yr old receivers aren't worth top dollar, Maccagnan deals? Is that so....? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HawaiisOnlyJetsFan 103 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Some of you guys are stuck in Gase Land where the slot is the primary option. Unfortunately Crowder is a casualty of scheme. The scheme requires versatility to play at different spots, he does not offer that. On ourlads, slot receiver isn't even listed as a position on the 9ers depth chart... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo 24 7 103 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 48 minutes ago, clayton163v said: Cole - at 6' 1" - has PROVEN he can play outside as well as the slot. Thus, he offers versatility that Crowder does not. Do not get me wrong, I like Crowder. I want to keep him. But the addition of Moore makes him a luxury. Remember, the Jets now have Davis, Mims, Cole and Moore. I would like to keep Crowder too, but it is no longer a necessity. 1. Jamison Crowder is a good WR in the slot. Keelan Cole is a below average starter no matter where he is on the field. 2. No offense, but the Jets WR group isn't good enough to be calling Crowder a luxury. The Jets WR group is still near the bottom of the league unless someone has a massive breakout season. Davis is a WR2. Mims hasn't done anything noteworthy. There were about 10 other Rookie Wrs who were better than him last year. Cole is a good WR4, and a below average WR3. Moore hasn't taken a snap in the NFL. Using the AFCE as an example, who is getting open if Xavien Howard, Stefon Gilmore and Tredavious White shut down Corey Davis? A rookie WR, the WR who hasn't done anything, or the WR who hasn't done much in 4 years? 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfmartin 1,817 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1. Jamison Crowder is a good WR in the slot. Keelan Cole is a below average starter no matter where he is on the field. 2. No offense, but the Jets WR group isn't good enough to be calling Crowder a luxury. The Jets WR group is still near the bottom of the league unless someone has a massive breakout season. Davis is a WR2. Mims hasn't done anything noteworthy. There were about 10 other Rookie Wrs who were better than him last year. Cole is a good WR4, and a below average WR3. Moore hasn't taken a snap in the NFL. Using the AFCE as an example, who is getting open if Xavien Howard, Stefon Gilmore and Tredavious White shut down Corey Davis? A rookie WR, the WR who hasn't done anything, or the WR who hasn't done much in 4 years? The Jets receiving corp is most definitely not in the bottom of the league. Ridiculous statement. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo 24 7 103 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 14 minutes ago, freestater said: 30 yr old receivers aren't worth top dollar, Maccagnan deals? Is that so....? Crowder isn't even 28 yet. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jets723 4,974 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 40 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: They have plenty of cap space, no pressing financial problems, plenty of cash for any additional FAs they might want to grab, and plenty of room on next years projected cap. Mims is so far underwhelming, Moore is promising but an unknown, and Cole is getting a lot of hype for a former UDFA. Crowder is in his last year of a deal, has been nothing but a solid pro on a disaster of a team, produced despite being in the worst Offense in tye league, and is a dependable and know commodity. This just makes the Jets look cheap. No reason for ******* the guy. I'd tell JD to go **** himself, and either pay me what my contract says, or cut me now. No way we cut him. Either this is resolved and he is back or he is traded Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo 24 7 103 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, mfmartin said: The Jets receiving corp is most definitely not in the bottom of the league. Ridiculous statement. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app They are easily in the bottom 4th of the league. Lets say you put the Jets ahead of the Eagles, Colts, Lions, Patriots, Texans, Raiders and Jaguars. That would only make them 25th at best. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JiFapono 156,480 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Maybe they can live without him, maybe they can’t but is it really worth a few million to find out? 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Warfish 34,033 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 17 minutes ago, mfmartin said: The Jets receiving corp is most definitely not in the bottom of the league. Ridiculous statement. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app So where would rank them after a possible Crowder cut? Davis, Cole, Mims, Moore, Berrios. Where you ranking that group in the NFL? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Claymation 1,324 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Crowder was ranked 52nd in receptions last year and 54th in yards. The 50th salary for WRs is 3.5 million in the NFL. There is no way he is getting 5 million from anyone else. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Harris 7,838 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Part time, eh? One minicamp and Moore is already the uncontested starter I guess? Doesn't have to actually beat out Crowder first? Gotta love Jet Fan optimism. Competition isn't needed, every draft pick is an All-Pro to come, lol. Did you SEE that minicamp! Moore by all accounts has looked like a super star, literally. He will be on the field a lot next to Davis and Cole. Yes I think he starts over Crowder for the majority of the season. JD had a top 20 grade on him. He’s going to play. Meaning Crowder is part time. 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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