Jets and Jameson Crowder agree to contract restructuring (merged)

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, jgb said:

No one is saying that wouldn’t be good

Some are.  Because they don't like a franchise being mean to players they like.  

[jgb]

18 minutes ago, kmnj said:

teams always want the player to be loyal but dont want to honor their own contracts

I am on team crowder who actually has been a good player for us

 

 

Loyalty is earned. If your boss asked you to eat a 50% pay cut, you’d be on LinkedIn as soon as you got back to your desk. Neither side is wrong, neither side is right from a moral perspective.

[jgb]

As predicted. Nice move JD.

[jgb]

Good to see JD isn’t counting his chickens before they hatch with the new crew 

[Shockwave]

Douglas is the Best GM we have had here. Unbelievable. Crowder gives us insurance and will likely be traded if we fall out of the playoff hunt. 

[Claymation]

2 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

Douglas is the Best GM we have had here. Unbelievable. Crowder gives us insurance and will likely be traded if we fall out of the playoff hunt. 

That isn't a high watermark.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

JC and Moses in one day?

That would be biblical.

SAR I

Well played.

[Warfish]

5 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

Douglas is the Best GM we have had here.

Lifetime record:  9-23 over two seasons.

Maybe, and this is just a thought, we should wait till he has produced at least one winning season before we declare him the greatest Jets GM in Jets history?

He seems to be improving, we look to have a much better team now.  Lots of room for optimism.  But lets keep it real, eh?  Best ever?  Not yet.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Lifetime record:  9-23 over two seasons.

Maybe, and this is just a thought, we should wait till he has produced at least one winning season before we declare him the greatest Jets GM in Jets history?

He seems to be improving, we look to have a much better team now.  Lots of room for optimism.  But lets keep it real, eh?  Best ever?  Not yet.

You can’t be best GM ever until you hit on a QB

[Jets723]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Lifetime record:  9-23 over two seasons.

Maybe, and this is just a thought, we should wait till he has produced at least one winning season before we declare him the greatest Jets GM in Jets history?

He seems to be improving, we look to have a much better team now.  Lots of room for optimism.  But lets keep it real, eh?  Best ever?  Not yet.

That’s fair.  Although he came into a dreadful situation.  He came in after the offseason was done and had as bad as a coach as you can have and probably the worst roster in the league his trades have been very good so far and his signings have been ok.  Now there are no excuses anymore because he has completely rebuilt this roster and coaching staff in his vision 

[Rhg1084]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Lifetime record:  9-23 over two seasons.

Maybe, and this is just a thought, we should wait till he has produced at least one winning season before we declare him the greatest Jets GM in Jets history?

He seems to be improving, we look to have a much better team now.  Lots of room for optimism.  But lets keep it real, eh?  Best ever?  Not yet.

He seems like he understands how to build a team so that’s half the battle. The other nitwits we had in here had no idea 

[Joe W. Namath]

16 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

Douglas is the Best GM we have had here. Unbelievable. Crowder gives us insurance and will likely be traded if we fall out of the playoff hunt. 

He is quickly becoming one of the best GMs in the league.  Now he has a few more bucks to add to the lowball offers he sent to Moses and Nelson.  If he wants them, hes going to get them at ridiculously valuable deals.  

Thank you Joe Douglas.  Thank you!!

[jgb]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

JC and Moses in one day?

That would be biblical.

SAR I

[jetblue95]

glad to hear they are bringing him back.  after last year's motley crew of a receiving corps, it is nice to have some legit depth.

so much for all those so-called experts who declared on draft day that the moore pick signaled the imminent trade or more likely release of crowder

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

I think you are obsessed with saying people are obsessed with players whenever they point out it is too soon to determine players "suck."  Berrios wasn't an UDFA.  He was a 6th round pick of the Pats that has never been on the street.  He is a niche player that has already shown value.  Guess maybe I am racist. 

I effing knew it.

[PS17]

[JetsFanShawn]

On 6/13/2021 at 10:01 AM, Bronx said:

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/86883/new-york-jets-can-live-without-jamison-crowder-in-new-look-receiving-corps

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:

1. Crowder a goner? A year ago, the Jets' wide-receiver situation was so dire that they opened the season with Chris Hogan in the starting lineup -- the same Hogan who is now playing professional lacrosse. The position has improved to the point where -- this might sound crazy -- leading wide receiver Jamison Crowder is expendable.

The additions of Corey Davis, Keelan Cole and rookie Elijah Moore, one of the best players on the field during the three-week period of organized team activities, have given the Jets a surplus that could trigger other roster moves. They're loaded in the slot, with Crowder, Moore and Braxton Berrios, who also shined during OTAs. Cole, too, has plenty of experience in the slot.

Crowder's future is uncertain. The Jets want him back, according to coach Robert Saleh, but they're trying to get him to take at least a 50% pay cut on his $10 million salary (non-guaranteed). He skipped the voluntary OTAs because of the contract squabble. This week's minicamp is mandatory. Saleh said he expects Crowder to attend, but he didn't sound certain.

The Jets have options. They can release Crowder if he doesn't agree to the pay cut, using some of the $10 million savings to sign free agent Morgan Moses, who would be an upgrade over George Fant at right tackle. Fant could be the backup swing tackle, an important insurance policy with Mekhi Becton dealing with a foot issue (plantar fasciitis). The Jets remain interested in Moses, who visited recently.

Technically, New York has enough cap room to keep Crowder and sign Moses, but they could be looking to save some cash after doling out nearly $80 million guaranteed in free agency.

If the Jets and Crowder agree to a restructured contract, it won't preclude them from trading him. If Moore continues to impress, what's the point of keeping Crowder? Saleh called Moore, drafted 34th overall, a "dynamic young man" with excellent versatility.

Crowder, who turns 28 on Thursday, is a good player, but he's coming off a 699-yard season and has the 16th-highest cap charge ($11.4 million) among wide receivers. He's in the final year of his contract and will leave as a free agent after the season. If the Jets can get something for him, they should do it, clearing the way for Moore.

2. Easy does it: Saleh's mantra is "All gas, no brake" -- except when it comes to quarterback Zach Wilson.

Perhaps trying to control the hype, Saleh tapped the brake when asked to give a progress report on the No. 2 overall pick. He said he couldn't give an accurate assessment because everything is peachy now and the "best learning comes through adversity and conflict. ... Until we hit adversity will we be able to learn more about each other and how we handle things."

Back in the day, former coach Bill Parcells expressed a similar sentiment a different way: "Let's not put him in Canton yet, fellas."

Wilson, taking all the first-team reps, was solid, if not stellar in OTAs. Not once in the five practices open to the media did he look like an overwhelmed rookie -- and that's encouraging. With no veteran quarterbacks on the roster, the Jets are in full "Get-Wilson-ready-to-start" mode.   

3. Out of this world: Defensive end Carl Lawson, who received a big contract (three years, $45 million), has big, big expectations for himself. He wouldn't share his specific goals, except to say he wants to be "otherworldly." Yeah, he said that.

"I feel like the sky's the limit, but this is life," Lawson said. "Not every goal you set is going to happen because there are external factors, but I will do everything in my power to reach my highest level of potential and what I think I can possibly be, which is otherworldly."

Otherworldly would mean producing more than he did with the Cincinnati Bengals -- 20 sacks in four years. That's a pedestrian number, but his pass rush win rate in that span (18.9%) was impressive and ranked 29th, per ESPN Stats & Information. That was a shade below Chicago Bears star Khalil Mack (19.3%). The Jets expect him to turn some of those "wins" into sacks.

4. Under the radar: A handful of non-starters stood out in the OTAs, including defensive end Bryce Huff, safety J.T. Hassell, rookie cornerback Isaiah Dunn, defensive tackle Tanzel Smart and wide receiver Manasseh Bailey. Defensive end Jabari Zuniga, whose rookie season was a washout because of injuries, flashed on occasion. With added competition on the defensive line, his roster spot isn't a gimme.

Another 2020 draft pick, safety Ashtyn Davis, didn't participate due to a significant foot injury last season. He attended meetings, but missed out on much-needed practice reps. Davis, who started six games as a rookie, probably is looking at a backup role.

5. Survivor: In a transient profession, special teams coordinator Brant Boyer is an outlier. He's in his sixth year with the Jets, which means he's working for his third head coach.

After last season's 2-14 disaster, which resulted in coach Adam Gase's ouster, Boyer went fishing for five days in Nevada. When he heard Saleh had been hired in late January, he flew back to New Jersey, figuring it would be a good idea to get some face time with the new boss and interview to keep his job.

"I'm pretty damn lucky," Boyer said of his longevity.

Lucky and good.

6. Did you know? The Jets have gone five straight years without a 1,000-yard receiving season by an individual -- the longest active drought in the league. They have a few "longest active droughts." Maybe we should call them LADs.

7. Quiet, please: For two years under Gase, the loudest voice on the practice field belonged to that of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who wasn't shy about raising the decibel level. His successor, Jeff Ulbrich, isn't the yelling type. Truth be told, Saleh doesn't want his coaches to be yellers.

Count that as Difference No. 136 between the current and previous staffs.

Here's another one: Unlike Gase and Williams, who were joined together in an arranged marriage by the previous front office, Saleh and Ulbrich are old friends who share a similar defensive philosophy. The "secret sauce," as Ulbrich put it, is simplicity and players first. In other words, there will be player-friendly schemes that aren't difficult to master, that emphasize fundamentals and technique over smoke and mirrors.

This is a departure from the Williams way, which relied on exotic fronts to confuse opponents. He liked to brag he had more than 40 different fronts in his playbook. It worked pretty well in 2019 before everything went sideways last season.

The Saleh/Ulbrich method is good because it should allow them to integrate young players quickly into the season, and we all know the Jets have a lot of young players. The downside: Simple works if you have the horses, but the Jets still don't have enough to win on talent alone. This will be a process, and there will be growing pains.

What's important is getting the players to buy in. So far, so good, according to linebacker Jarrad Davis. Speaking of Ulbrich and the defensive assistants, Davis said their enthusiasm is "just leaking out of them, oozing off them. When we're itchy, they know what to scratch."

8. The last word: "He's a dog, man. I like Zach Wilson. He has a lot to learn and there's going to be a lot of pressure, but he's good with it and he's slinging the ball." -- Jets running back Tevin Coleman.

 

if jamerson crowder can be the jets number gye in the upcoming reglure season he will be alright next to Denzel mims 

[viffer]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

JC and Moses in one day?

That would be biblical.

SAR I

Glad to see you finally got over your Gase worship.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

If you're "not saying Berrios will be that", then why are you comparing him to the likes of Chrebet, Welker and Edelman?  

Oh, right, because Jets Fans are obsessed with UDFA fringe-talent WR's. 

Especially if they fit a "certain mold", i.e. Chrebet, Woodhead, Welker, Edelman.....hmm, wonder what these guys all have in common, beyond a lack of height.

[slats]

22 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Lifetime record:  9-23 over two seasons.

Maybe, and this is just a thought, we should wait till he has produced at least one winning season before we declare him the greatest Jets GM in Jets history?

He seems to be improving, we look to have a much better team now.  Lots of room for optimism.  But lets keep it real, eh?  Best ever?  Not yet.

He owns the 2-14, but the previous one is on the previous GM. 

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So the "decent" thing to do is to pay Crowder twice his market value?  Yes, lets be the nice franchise that overpays everyone.  That was what Mike Maccagnan did.  Let's hire him back.  Better yet, let's opt to apply for Non-Profit status!

One way or the other, the market is going to determine Crowder's worth.  He'll either end up taking the pay-cut, or the Jets will release him, and he'll find out exactly how much the league values him.  

Don't blame the Jets or Joe Douglas for being practical.  Blame the system that causes these moves to happen in the first place.  Without guaranteed contracts, this is the reality of the NFL.  And if you want the Jets to be successful, you need a GM who is kind of a d*ck sometimes.  That's how the business functions.  

The Jets and you got your wish..  

 

[David Harris]

24 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Lifetime record:  9-23 over two seasons.

Maybe, and this is just a thought, we should wait till he has produced at least one winning season before we declare him the greatest Jets GM in Jets history?

He seems to be improving, we look to have a much better team now.  Lots of room for optimism.  But lets keep it real, eh?  Best ever?  Not yet.

 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, David Harris said:

 

How did I guess we would go back to the Darnold excuse making programme in this thread

[Mike135]

10 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

so much for all those so-called experts who declared on draft day that the moore pick signaled the imminent trade or more likely release of crowder

Well him taking a 40 to 50% pay cut pretty much says he was gone if he didn't take the cut.

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

How did I guess we would go back to the Darnold excuse making programme in this thread

He has CMC, DJ Moore, Anderson and Terrace Marshall. All sides of this argument will get their definitive answer in a couple of months. 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

He has CMC, DJ Moore, Anderson and Terrace Marshall. All sides of this argument will get their definitive answer in a couple of months. 

No one ever admits they were wrong on the Internet. They just go into hibernation until they get one favorable data point to reassert their argument.

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So the "decent" thing to do is to pay Crowder twice his market value?  Yes, lets be the nice franchise that overpays everyone.  That was what Mike Maccagnan did.  Let's hire him back.  Better yet, let's opt to apply for Non-Profit status!

One way or the other, the market is going to determine Crowder's worth.  He'll either end up taking the pay-cut, or the Jets will release him, and he'll find out exactly how much the league values him.  

Don't blame the Jets or Joe Douglas for being practical.  Blame the system that causes these moves to happen in the first place.  Without guaranteed contracts, this is the reality of the NFL.  And if you want the Jets to be successful, you need a GM who is kind of a d*ck sometimes.  That's how the business functions.  

I think where the human decency kicks in is where they wait and then cut him right before the season so that he can't get another decent contract.  If they told him take half or you're out and they are waiting each other out, fine.  It does seem a bit sleazy that the market dropped and now he will get screwed, but whatever,.

[sourceworx]

2 hours ago, BigRy56 said:

Really impressive job by JD

Ya but whaddabout Captin Mawgan....

[Dcat]

2 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

 

Bravo. Smart move.  All the crap about how this might mean that Moore and Mims will see fewer targets a bit over the top.  As a fan of the NY Jets, I want the best producers out there.  He who plays best will see the greatest amount of time and # of targets.  In addition WRs always get hurt so for the first time in decades....  multiple decades...  we might actuially have nice depth in the unit.  Pinch me to make sure I' awake.

[jetblue95]

17 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Well him taking a 40 to 50% pay cut pretty much says he was gone if he didn't take the cut.

 

 

sure

but those saying moore's drafting meant he was being cut didn't factor in the very real possibility he could be brought back at a reduced salary

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

And for the triumvirate, we just need to trade for Mohamed Sanu:

much better than re-signing Wilkerson.

[Dcat]

3 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

sure

but those saying moore's drafting meant he was being cut didn't factor in the very real possibility he could be brought back at a reduced salary

in addition, they failed to even notice the obvious increase in value on the field haaving Crowder available and the importance of depth, which we haven't had at the position in a very long time.

[Dcat]

2 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Turns out, our GM knows the market better than Joe from Piscataway.  

[Jetsfan80]

27 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

The Jets and you got your wish..  

Just as anyone could have predicted.  Crowder was never going to get as much money on the open market as Douglas was offering.

On to a new topic for people to whine about!

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

That sounds more like a law firm than it does an NFL roster.

MY favorite law firm name: Moore, Payne and Hertz.