Alka Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Edoga was a player that the Jets drafted in the 3rd round, who was thought to have 1st round potential, but was considered somewhat lazy. Until now, he never played up to that 1st round potential, and IMO has not lived up to his 3rd round pick. He is the epitome of "all brakes, no gas". If Saleh is serious, then Edoga gets cut this year. Herndon is an enigma, in that for at least the 1st half of 2020, was missing on the field, and went from a budding star, to garbage. He played better down the stretch, but is he really a "all gas, no brakes" player? Unless he is able to convince Saleh and company that he is the player at the beginning of his career, he should be cut. I don't believe that any other NFL team would take him in a trade for anything other than possibly a 7th round draft pick. Talent is not what Saleh is selling on the Jets. He is selling the idea that on each and every day, you as a player are doing everything you possibly can to improve from the day before, get better and try harder. I wonder how many other players from last year do not fit into that mold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted June 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2021 Hopefully all the holdovers from our “no bend, all break” OL of 2019. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ian Fleming Posted June 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2021 Depends on what type of gas Saleh is talking about. He could have meant that he would act flexibly, like a Ideal Gas Law-type leadership, in which gases behave differently in different circumstances. In which case, his actions depend on the circumstances. 3 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, Alka said: Edoga was a player that the Jets drafted in the 3rd round, who was thought to have 1st round potential, but was considered somewhat lazy. Until now, he never played up to that 1st round potential, and IMO has not lived up to his 3rd round pick. He is the epitome of "all brakes, no gas". If Saleh is serious, then Edoga gets cut this year. Herndon is an enigma, in that for at least the 1st half of 2020, was missing on the field, and went from a budding star, to garbage. He played better down the stretch, but is he really a "all gas, no brakes" player? Unless he is able to convince Saleh and company that he is the player at the beginning of his career, he should be cut. I don't believe that any other NFL team would take him in a trade for anything other than possibly a 7th round draft pick. Talent is not what Saleh is selling on the Jets. He is selling the idea that on each and every day, you as a player are doing everything you possibly can to improve from the day before, get better and try harder. I wonder how many other players from last year do not fit into that mold? Edoga I agree with. Never liked the pick. Herndon, as you stated, is an enigma. Don't think he's dogging it, but he sure hasn't hit near his potential. Wrote last year off as Gase just misusing the TE's, but he better get his butt in gear in camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 40 minutes ago, Alka said: Edoga was a player that the Jets drafted in the 3rd round, who was thought to have 1st round potential, but was considered somewhat lazy. Until now, he never played up to that 1st round potential, and IMO has not lived up to his 3rd round pick. He is the epitome of "all brakes, no gas". If Saleh is serious, then Edoga gets cut this year. Herndon is an enigma, in that for at least the 1st half of 2020, was missing on the field, and went from a budding star, to garbage. He played better down the stretch, but is he really a "all gas, no brakes" player? Unless he is able to convince Saleh and company that he is the player at the beginning of his career, he should be cut. I don't believe that any other NFL team would take him in a trade for anything other than possibly a 7th round draft pick. Talent is not what Saleh is selling on the Jets. He is selling the idea that on each and every day, you as a player are doing everything you possibly can to improve from the day before, get better and try harder. I wonder how many other players from last year do not fit into that mold? I think you are taking a catch phrase a bit too literally. You don't get rid of a player unless another player takes his spot. Instead of saying this guy seems lazy or didn't live up to expectations you should tell us who will replace him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe W. Namath Posted June 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2021 Anyone drafted by Mccagnan outside of Quinnen is on borrowed time. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Anyone drafted by Mccagnan outside of Quinnen is on borrowed time. Perhaps even him. Fifth year option decision time is often an inflection point. Teams and players start to probe into each others' expectations and funny things can happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Ficken and Mann. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Alka said: Edoga was a player that the Jets drafted in the 3rd round, who was thought to have 1st round potential, but was considered somewhat lazy. Until now, he never played up to that 1st round potential, and IMO has not lived up to his 3rd round pick. He is the epitome of "all brakes, no gas". If Saleh is serious, then Edoga gets cut this year. Herndon is an enigma, in that for at least the 1st half of 2020, was missing on the field, and went from a budding star, to garbage. He played better down the stretch, but is he really a "all gas, no brakes" player? Unless he is able to convince Saleh and company that he is the player at the beginning of his career, he should be cut. I don't believe that any other NFL team would take him in a trade for anything other than possibly a 7th round draft pick. Talent is not what Saleh is selling on the Jets. He is selling the idea that on each and every day, you as a player are doing everything you possibly can to improve from the day before, get better and try harder. I wonder how many other players from last year do not fit into that mold? you dont sell low on young cheap players, you see what they can do inside the walls of a good system and good leadeship. if they dont perform, you cut bait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Ian Fleming said: Depends on what type of gas Saleh is talking about. He could have meant that he would act flexibly, like a Ideal Gas Law-type leadership, in which gases behave differently in different circumstances. In which case, his actions depend on the circumstances. NERD 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addage Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Gase was a terrible HC. Macc was a terrible GM. So the number of players making the roster from that era is likely to be small. But there is an attitude of "wishing" these players to fail. That makes no sense. Guys deserve the opportunity to come to camp and show the new coaches what they can do. Do I think Herndon and Edoga will make it? No. But if they turn their careers around under Saleh I will be thrilled. There have been years where I think there were Jets roster spots available for guys who couldn't play anywhere else in the NFL. That's no longer true. There is real competition now. And that's a good thing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 New staff always gives players a clean slate We’re going to have to wait and see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Can't disagree with the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Ian Fleming said: Depends on what type of gas Saleh is talking about. He could have meant that he would act flexibly, like a Ideal Gas Law-type leadership, in which gases behave differently in different circumstances. In which case, his actions depend on the circumstances. The name's Saleh, Bob Saleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Alka said: Edoga was a player that the Jets drafted in the 3rd round, who was thought to have 1st round potential, but was considered somewhat lazy. Until now, he never played up to that 1st round potential, and IMO has not lived up to his 3rd round pick. He is the epitome of "all brakes, no gas". If Saleh is serious, then Edoga gets cut this year. Herndon is an enigma, in that for at least the 1st half of 2020, was missing on the field, and went from a budding star, to garbage. He played better down the stretch, but is he really a "all gas, no brakes" player? Unless he is able to convince Saleh and company that he is the player at the beginning of his career, he should be cut. I don't believe that any other NFL team would take him in a trade for anything other than possibly a 7th round draft pick. Talent is not what Saleh is selling on the Jets. He is selling the idea that on each and every day, you as a player are doing everything you possibly can to improve from the day before, get better and try harder. I wonder how many other players from last year do not fit into that mold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 hours ago, flgreen said: Edoga I agree with. Never liked the pick. Herndon, as you stated, is an enigma. Don't think he's dogging it, but he sure hasn't hit near his potential. Wrote last year off as Gase just misusing the TE's, but he better get his butt in gear in camp. Edoga was a wasted pick. Said so day 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Nice thread. Hopefully this is a staff that's going to rewards effort and commitment. Talent alone doesn't cut it in the NFL. The guys who are great love it and get after it. Nothing worse than real talent that doesn't care. One of the things Zach, Moore and Tucker seem to bring to the table besides enormous talent is love of the game and a huge work ethic. Talented guys who don't bring it should get moved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 hours ago, batman10023 said: NERD Edu-tainment! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Jeremy Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I think saleh will weed out many individuals me first type players and keep process players much like McDermott and Bill. Adams if was still on roster would’ve already be gone. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Alka said: Edoga was a player that the Jets drafted in the 3rd round, who was thought to have 1st round potential, but was considered somewhat lazy. Until now, he never played up to that 1st round potential, and IMO has not lived up to his 3rd round pick. He is the epitome of "all brakes, no gas". If Saleh is serious, then Edoga gets cut this year. Herndon is an enigma, in that for at least the 1st half of 2020, was missing on the field, and went from a budding star, to garbage. He played better down the stretch, but is he really a "all gas, no brakes" player? Unless he is able to convince Saleh and company that he is the player at the beginning of his career, he should be cut. I don't believe that any other NFL team would take him in a trade for anything other than possibly a 7th round draft pick. Talent is not what Saleh is selling on the Jets. He is selling the idea that on each and every day, you as a player are doing everything you possibly can to improve from the day before, get better and try harder. I wonder how many other players from last year do not fit into that mold? I agree. Herndon gives people erections on this board and has done NOTHING besides being inconsistent and unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I don't see the Jets/Saleh/JD keeping players who are inherently flawed/not functional/drafted by Mac. Edoga Lewis Herndon Shepherd (too old, contract expiring) Cashman Perine makes the team if another RB gets injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Edoga was a wasted pick. Said so day 1. At the moment each Maccagnan pick was made, you could have said "wasted pick" and ended up correct at an 85+ % clip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Think Edoga and Cashman are unlikely to make the team unless they turn things around. From last year’s guys, Zuniga, Lamar Jackson, and Cam Clark might not make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Herndon sucks. Him and Mims should be roommates in the European League, if one exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I have IBS. I'm Mr. All gas no brakes. Ask my wife. Maybe I can carve out a niche like Fireman Ed as pseudo mascot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Blake Cashman "All Injury-No Play" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I have IBS. I'm Mr. All gas no brakes. Ask my wife. Maybe I can carve out a niche like Fireman Ed as pseudo mascot? Can you fart out the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS chant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebracken33 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Edited June 24, 2021 by joebracken33 Delete - incorrect image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 8 hours ago, More Cowbell said: I think you are taking a catch phrase a bit too literally. You don't get rid of a player unless another player takes his spot. Instead of saying this guy seems lazy or didn't live up to expectations you should tell us who will replace him. A guy that emits gas….see Becton. All Gas No Brakes and air freshener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 My surprise cut would be Bless Austin. A lot of unproven options back there. Austin gets lost too much in coverage, and on a few occasions didn't get back into the play out of frustration. Could be a surprise cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 This year is definitely Blake Cashmans one and ONLY make or break year. In what limited time I saw him play, he's a very nice linebacker with pretty good smarts/instincts. But he cannot stay healthy. This is his only chance to heal, stay upright, and start contributing. If he gets injured even mildly, I believe he's gone.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: This year is definitely Blake Cashmans one and ONLY make or break year. In what limited time I saw him play, he's a very nice linebacker with pretty good smarts/instincts. But he cannot stay healthy. This is his only chance to heal, stay upright, and start contributing. If he gets injured even mildly, I believe he's gone.... As Bill Polian said last night, some players have NFL bodies, some don't. Cashman does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Herndon will be unlocked by Wilson this year. Not his fault he was playing with Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 11 hours ago, varjet said: As Bill Polian said last night, some players have NFL bodies, some don't. Cashman does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 20 hours ago, jgb said: Perhaps even him. Fifth year option decision time is often an inflection point. Teams and players start to probe into each others' expectations and funny things can happen. I agree that sometimes funny things happen in any NFL career and that we should properly look at year-5 of a top draft choice with suspicion..... but with that said, Quinnen Williams turned into a bona fide monster for us last year and I think his trajectory is locked in. Good for us in this case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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