LIJetsFan Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 A pair of AFC title game appearances couldn’t save former New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez from a dubious distinction bestowed by PFF. Pro Football Focus couldn’t wait until spring to conjure up draft day nightmares. The analytic statistical service filled the doldrums of the NFL offseason with terror after unveiling the draft worst pick over the last 15 years for the New York Jets and their brethren. New York’s nominee, per Michael Renner, is quarterback Mark Sanchez, the fifth overall pick of the 2009 proceedings. Renner admits that there is “a lot of good content to choose from” when it comes to the Jets’ most dubious draftees. He lists defensive dropouts Dee Milliner and Vernon Gholston as nominees and is tempted to put Sanchez’s eventual successor Sam Darnold in the spot. However, Renner praises the Jets for earning a sizable haul from trading Darnold and thus removes him from consideration. Sanchez isn’t so lucky. “Sanchez, however, took a lot of draft capital to secure via trade,” Renner writes. “(He) quite easily cost one of the best rosters in the NFL a chance at a Super Bowl.” To Renner’s point, the Jets traded with the Cleveland Browns to select the USC product, moving a dozen spots ahead through the deal. Cleveland obtained the 17th and 52nd overall picks as well as veterans Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam. While it’s more than fair to say that Sanchez had his struggles—ones made all the more painful by future Pro Bowlers B.J. Raji, Brian Orakpo, Malcolm Jenkins, and Brian Cushing going within the next ten picks—calling him the ultimate comedy of the Jets’ draft day errors seems excessive. Following the circulation of PFF’s selection on social media, many were quick to note that Sanchez helped guide the Jets to the AFC title game in each of his first two seasons at the New York offensive helm. While it’s fair to perhaps label Sanchez a game manager in the postseason affairs, working in conjunction with strong defensive and rushing efforts, he was far from the only reason the Jets failed to advance to the Super Bowl. The first time around, Sanchez actually helped the Jets built a 17-6 first half lead over Indianapolis (a lead built through two Sanchez touchdown passes) before momentum shifted through an 80-yard Colts drive capped off by a Peyton Manning touchdown pass. It began a 24-point onslaught for the Colts, who put 461 yards of offense in the 30-17 victory. One year later, Sanchez threw three touchdown passes in the Divisional victory over New England before falling just short of erasing a 24-0 deficit in the next conference title game in Pittsburgh. He had two more scoring passes (both in the second half) as the Jets fell in a 24-19 final. Sanchez’s 95.5 passer rating over the 2010-11 postseason was second-best amongst playoff quarterbacks with at least 50 attempts, behind only future Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers. Additionally, it’s not as if the Jets missed out on another franchise man later in the draft. Matthew Stafford was the consensus top pick to Detroit while Tampa Bay ironically took Kansas State’s Josh Freeman with the 17th pick, which was the Jets’ original selection obtained in another deal with the Browns. The other throwers (Pat White, Stephen McGee, Rhett Bomar among them) made little to no impact on the NFL level. In fact, the last quarterback taken (Julian Edelman out of Kent State) went on to make his mark as a receiver instead. Sanchez at least has the distinction of throwing NFL passes, something second-round choice Christian Hackenberg (2016) was never able to do. *********************************************************** FYI Jets Fans, I strongly disagree but posted this article as food for thought during these doldrums. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Really? We will see about that! @SAR I 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Nope. It's still Darnold. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Untouchable Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 I’m sorry, but Sanchez wasn’t as bad of a pick as guys like Dee Milliner, Calvin Pryor or Darron Lee. Hell, as much as I loved Darnold, he’s a worse pick than Sanchez in hindsight as well. 18 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I’m sorry, but Sanchez wasn’t as bad of a pick as guys like Dee Milliner and Calvin Pryor. Hell, as much as I loved Darnold, he’s a worse pick than Sanchez in hindsight as well. How do you ignore a high second rd pick that never got in a game? To me it’s Hack in a runaway. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Gholston, Milliner, Quinton Coples. All these busts and they choose the guy who actually did his job ok from time to time? Ridiculous. Sanchez might not have been great, but he did enough to help his team get to 2 AFCCGs. If Rex's lauded defenses didn't buckle and deflate like they did, almost on cue in big spots, he would've gone even further. 12 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post K Clue Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Vernon Gholston was so bad that they forgot about him actually being the worst Jet ever. 8 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Really? We will see about that! @SAR I Oh theres one more Sanchez defender youre missing. The head of his fan club! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Are we just including 1st rounders here because Hack never played a single down in the NFL and was a top 50 pick. If I'm not mistaken, that's literally never happened without the result of a career ending injury. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larz Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Blah blah blah Its all about perception and the butt fumble was played on ESPN for a year it’s not his fault the jets gave up that much to get him dumb 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Are we just including 1st rounders here because Hack never played a single down in the NFL and was a top 50 pick. If I'm not mistaken, that's literally never happened without the result of a career ending injury. That was my assumption Otherwise, throw Anthony Schlegel in the mix as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Jamal Adams 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bugg Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 When you consider the opportunity cost and postional value of picking Adams over Mahomes and Watson, it's the Adams pick. And it's not close. Sanchez managed to be okay enough to get a run first offense to 2 AFC title games. Taking any safety over either of those 2 QBs was a CATASTROPHE. Once again, the draftniks want to talk about nonsense. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, freestater said: Gholston, Milliner, Quinton Coples. All these busts and they choose the guy who actually did his job ok from time to time? Ridiculous. Sanchez might not have been great, but he did enough to help his team get to 2 AFCCGs. If Rex's lauded defenses didn't buckle and deflate like they did, almost on cue in big spots, he would've gone even further. Ghoston was the worst, or milliner. Why all the Sanchez hate. Btw he’s a very good analyst now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 disrespectful 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Quote “Sanchez, however, took a lot of draft capital to secure via trade,” Renner writes. “(He) quite easily cost one of the best rosters in the NFL a chance at a Super Bowl.” To Renner’s point, the Jets traded with the Cleveland Browns to select the USC product, moving a dozen spots ahead through the deal. Cleveland obtained the 17th and 52nd overall picks as well as veterans Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam. umm what? you can hate on the pick...but that was a GREAT trade. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Sanchez was not a good QB but he was decent for us and played well in the playoffs. So many better choices to go with. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKnight83 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 I do not see Sanchez as being a bad draft pick. I do see his HC and OC and being the biggest phonies in the NFL though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 PFF has pretty much jumped the shark on any shred of being an analytics-driven content creator. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SAR I Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Really? We will see about that! @SAR I PFF clickbait, trying to get the huge NY/NJ market fired up and click-click-clicking. Not falling for it. Mark Sanchez may not have been a great regular season quarterback and he may not have been a quarterback with a lengthy career. But for 2 seasons he did exactly what his coaching staff needed him to do. He was cheap, he allowed us to use cap space to pay for defense, and he stepped up his game in the highest pressure situations. When the defense put us in bad spots in 2010, he engineered 5 epic 4th quarter comebacks to turn a bad 6-10 season into 11-5, second best in team history. And once in the postseason, Mark was terrific, leading us to 4 road victories and being the best Jet on the field in 2 AFC Championship Games where the woefully overrated defense collapsed. Mark Sanchez deserves every Jets fan's respect and, someday, a spot in the Ring Of Honor. SAR I 8 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Nah. Not buying this. He wasn’t even our worst pick in his own draft year. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, SAR I said: PFF clickbait, trying to get the huge NY/NJ market fired up and click-click-clicking. Not falling for it. Mark Sanchez may not have been a great regular season quarterback and he may not have been a quarterback with a lengthy career. But for 2 seasons he did exactly what his coaching staff needed him to do. He was cheap, he allowed us to use cap space to pay for defense, and he stepped up his game in the highest pressure situations. When the defense put us in bad spots in 2010, he engineered 5 epic 4th quarter comebacks to turn a bad 6-10 season into 11-5, second best in team history. And once in the postseason, Mark was terrific, leading us to 4 road victories and being the best Jet on the field in 2 AFC Championship Games where the woefully overrated defense collapsed. Mark Sanchez deserves every Jets fan's respect and, someday, a spot in the Ring Of Honor. SAR I All things being said , his playoff wins are the four games to this day my sons and I still talk about. I’ll tell you the San Diego Chargers win story when I get time later. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Sánchez was bad, but Gholston and Hackenberg were worse, IMO. I understand the Jamal Adams votes, too, especially with the QBs on the board at the time, but if they removed Darnold because the Jets got back 2nd & 4th round picks, the two #1s for Jamalcontent makes that pick almost good. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, Bugg said: When you consider the opportunity cost and postional value of picking Adams over Mahomes and Watson, it's the Adams pick. And it's not close. Sanchez managed to be okay enough to get a run first offense to 2 AFC title games. Taking any safety over either of those 2 QBs was a CATASTROPHE. Once again, the draftniks want to talk about nonsense. When you consider his all pro accolades and NFL top 100 rating (#27) and what the jets received in return for him your bias shows through lol. Watson is a criminal and mahomie running for his life ( as he would have here only with no weapons)is human as we saw in the super bowl shames trolling really hurt that kid here. All he wanted was to win or get paid. like Sanchez he can’t control how he got here whats Adams position anyway? He had as many snaps at FS here as he did SS and also played at OLB, outside corner and slot corner bowles knew how to use him. Carroll turned him into a blitzer. hrs nowhere near the worst pick. You just don’t like him I suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 I want what PFF is smoking. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, nycdan said: PFF has pretty much jumped the shark on any shred of being an analytics-driven content creator. Yes. If he wrote Vernon Gholston, which is clearly the right choice, no one would read the article. It really is that simple. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, slats said: Sánchez was bad, but Gholston and Hackenberg were worse, IMO. I understand the Jamal Adams votes, too, especially with the QBs on the board at the time, but if they removed Darnold because the Jets got back 2nd & 4th round picks, the two #1s for Jamalcontent makes that pick almost good. Worse thing about Sanchez was the extension in MFHO. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Yes. If he wrote Vernon Gholston, which is clearly the right choice, no one would read the article. It really is that simple. Which is fine. But you can't have both. Either your true to your objectivity, or you're the NYDN. They have made a clear and public choice. People will still read, but sadly, I don't think we needed another click-bait site as much as the objective one they purported to be. I'm hoping FootballOutsiders can help fill the void. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 One of the stupidest things I've seen on here. And I am saying this as a guy that did not like Sanchez from day one. One of the first thing it says is totally idiotic. "It took a lot of capital to trade up and get him" when in reality it was one of the best and cheapest trade ups you could get. Half the deal was lousy jag players. Has to be Gholston. . (There are other good candidates, Hackenburg is right up there, maybe 1st) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 I think it kind of depends on context. Obviously Gholston and Hackneberg were much worse picks in terms of production relative to draft slot. But this sentence summarizes the argument for Sanchez: “(He) quite easily cost one of the best rosters in the NFL a chance at a Super Bowl.” It's not just his production it's the opportunity cost of having him at QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: A pair of AFC title game appearances couldn’t save former New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez from a dubious distinction bestowed by PFF. Pro Football Focus couldn’t wait until spring to conjure up draft day nightmares. The analytic statistical service filled the doldrums of the NFL offseason with terror after unveiling the draft worst pick over the last 15 years for the New York Jets and their brethren. New York’s nominee, per Michael Renner, is quarterback Mark Sanchez, the fifth overall pick of the 2009 proceedings. Renner admits that there is “a lot of good content to choose from” when it comes to the Jets’ most dubious draftees. He lists defensive dropouts Dee Milliner and Vernon Gholston as nominees and is tempted to put Sanchez’s eventual successor Sam Darnold in the spot. However, Renner praises the Jets for earning a sizable haul from trading Darnold and thus removes him from consideration. Sanchez isn’t so lucky. “Sanchez, however, took a lot of draft capital to secure via trade,” Renner writes. “(He) quite easily cost one of the best rosters in the NFL a chance at a Super Bowl.” To Renner’s point, the Jets traded with the Cleveland Browns to select the USC product, moving a dozen spots ahead through the deal. Cleveland obtained the 17th and 52nd overall picks as well as veterans Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam. While it’s more than fair to say that Sanchez had his struggles—ones made all the more painful by future Pro Bowlers B.J. Raji, Brian Orakpo, Malcolm Jenkins, and Brian Cushing going within the next ten picks—calling him the ultimate comedy of the Jets’ draft day errors seems excessive. Following the circulation of PFF’s selection on social media, many were quick to note that Sanchez helped guide the Jets to the AFC title game in each of his first two seasons at the New York offensive helm. While it’s fair to perhaps label Sanchez a game manager in the postseason affairs, working in conjunction with strong defensive and rushing efforts, he was far from the only reason the Jets failed to advance to the Super Bowl. The first time around, Sanchez actually helped the Jets built a 17-6 first half lead over Indianapolis (a lead built through two Sanchez touchdown passes) before momentum shifted through an 80-yard Colts drive capped off by a Peyton Manning touchdown pass. It began a 24-point onslaught for the Colts, who put 461 yards of offense in the 30-17 victory. One year later, Sanchez threw three touchdown passes in the Divisional victory over New England before falling just short of erasing a 24-0 deficit in the next conference title game in Pittsburgh. He had two more scoring passes (both in the second half) as the Jets fell in a 24-19 final. Sanchez’s 95.5 passer rating over the 2010-11 postseason was second-best amongst playoff quarterbacks with at least 50 attempts, behind only future Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers. Additionally, it’s not as if the Jets missed out on another franchise man later in the draft. Matthew Stafford was the consensus top pick to Detroit while Tampa Bay ironically took Kansas State’s Josh Freeman with the 17th pick, which was the Jets’ original selection obtained in another deal with the Browns. The other throwers (Pat White, Stephen McGee, Rhett Bomar among them) made little to no impact on the NFL level. In fact, the last quarterback taken (Julian Edelman out of Kent State) went on to make his mark as a receiver instead. Sanchez at least has the distinction of throwing NFL passes, something second-round choice Christian Hackenberg (2016) was never able to do. *********************************************************** FYI Jets Fans, I strongly disagree but posted this article as food for thought during these doldrums. I hate agreeing with PFF, but they are right. Because we had a small window of momentum with our OL, Running game a defense and Sanchez was just along for the ride. He was the reason we didn't get to a SB those two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sourceworx Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Untouchable said: I’m sorry, but Sanchez wasn’t as bad of a pick as guys like Dee Milliner, Calvin Pryor or Darron Lee. Hell, as much as I loved Darnold, he’s a worse pick than Sanchez in hindsight as well. Completely agree. Sanchez contributed to playoff wins for us. He wasn't a great player, but to say he's the worst pick in the last 15 years is ridiculous. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Sanchez is not in the top 10 of Jets worst draft picks. I can't take PFF seriously on this one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 i wouldn't exactly put sanchez in the jets ring of honor but he was far from the worst draft pick since 2006. the usual suspects, gholston, milliner, coples, the hitman, kyle wilson etc. have already been named so there's no point in discussing them further. but the real issue is the number of first round misses the jets have had since 2006. just from the aforementioned group that's 5 (not including sanchez) in 15 years and the list could easily expand if guy like wilky and shelly are put on it. that's a whole lotta bad draft choices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, K Clue said: Vernon Gholston was so bad that they forgot about him actually being the worst Jet ever. Vernon Gholston was picked 6 th overall in the draft. He made 18 tackles in 3 NFL seasons, along with 18 assisted tackles in those 3 years. I know that he never got a single sack in an actual game. Vernon Gholston didn't just underperform, I would make the argument that he never performed at all. So, Gholston averaged 6 tackles and 6 assisted tackles per season, for 3 seasons. There are linebackers who make 6 tackles and 6 assisted tackles in a single game. Edited July 7, 2021 by Alka I got some of my facts wrong. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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