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2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

From what I know and have heard, the “final decision” to move on from Sam came after Zach’s pro-day.  They were already leaning towards drafting him at that point (I got this “leaning towards draft” information and posted it here around March 17th, I believe), but watching him up close and getting the medicals solidified it.

The decision to move on from Darnold was made about 3 games into last season,. He stinks, has always stunk and there was 0 chance he was ever coming back.  Joe D lied through his teeth anytime he mentioned darnold or anything about him.

He feel asleep in the suite watching Darnold play.  HAHAHAAHAHAHA

The decision to take Zach at 2 over fields, lance etc was made after Zach's pro day.  The decision to move on from Darnold was made waaaaaaaay before that.

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Douglas is not in any rush to overpay a safety. Good for him. We finally have a GM who seems to get it. 

Probably pulled each others.

Hot take: Lamarcus Joyner and Ashtyn Davis would make a perfectly capable Safety duo and signing Maye, who will be 29 next year, to a lucrative LTD is not smart.

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7 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

This is total nonsense.  Our core of players moving forward is Zach Wilson, Elijah moore, michael carter, AVT, Mecki becton etc.  Those are the leaders and the guys we will take care of.  They could care less what Joe D is doing with Marcus Maye.

 

Leaders need to play a down.  

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The decision to move on from Darnold was made about 3 games into last season,. He stinks, has always stunk and there was 0 chance he was ever coming back.  Joe D lied through his teeth anytime he mentioned darnold or anything about him.

He feel asleep in the suite watching Darnold play.  HAHAHAAHAHAHA

The decision to take Zach at 2 over fields, lance etc was made after Zach's pro day.  The decision to move on from Darnold was made waaaaaaaay before that.

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6 hours ago, genot said:

I would have unfollowed them too. So would have most people. You work for a company, your company tells you how valuable you are, and what a great leader you've been. All of a sudden when it's time to get rewarded, you get a dollar, and a skinny turkey at christmas.

Being paid like a top 5 Safety, which he is in 2021, when he was no better than the 4th-best Safety from his draft class is hardly a "dollar and a skinny turkey".  

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5 hours ago, genot said:

This is more than optics. Players in this league can choose when thier contract is up to play elsewhere or play hardball and not play until a trade is forced. Maye is highly regarded in that locker room. The fact that Maye feels slighted, is a feeling that could be shared by some of his teammates. Im not saying JD should throw up his hands and give Maye what he wants. If all the reports are true, i don't think this has been handled well by the Jet9

Corey Lawson and Corey Davis didn't seem to have any complaints when they signed here.  And even Crowder hasn't complained a whole lot.  Probably because he's still making more here than he'd make on the open market.  Similar to the way Maye is making more in 2021 than he'd get on the open market.  

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5 hours ago, genot said:

You think that a WR.  signs with a team without having an interest in who the QB is.Lol. Davis said and i quote. " it's my understanding that Darnold will be the QB here" Who did he get that understanding from.

And yet he doesn't seem to give 2 sh*ts that Darnold is gone.  Nor should anyone. 

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6 hours ago, genot said:

And the players around the league ate also taking notice on how Maye has been treated Fairly or unfairly.. Which is my main concern here.

When Macc was making it rain did good players want to play here? 

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6 hours ago, genot said:

He's a veteran presence in a young suspect secondary. We need him. 

Cool.  In that case he's on the roster in 2021 and we can tag him again in 2022.  This isn't that hard.

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6 hours ago, genot said:

Sam Darnold has nothing to do with Maye. We won 2 games last year. I never said anything about how much he should make. For all you know Maye shouldn't make more than 5 mill a year in my view.we have a bunch of players on 1 or two year deals. A turnstyle roster isn't a recipe for success. 

We also have roughly a million draft picks next draft, just like we did this past draft.  It won't be a turn-style roster much longer.

And what's wrong with 1-2 year deals?  As long as they're not largely at premium positions (like the Kelvin Beachum's or Breshad Perriman's of the world), who cares?  1-2 year deals at the non-premium spots help give you flexibility.

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3 hours ago, genot said:

Then let him hit the open market. Why franchise him. If the Jet's don't have him in their plans long term. Don't lie and say you do.

Probably because the roster is cluttered with rookie/2nd year Safeties and he wanted Maye to be a "bridge" for at least one more year?  

The option is always there to trade him, too.  Why let him walk for nothing but a possible comp pick if you don't have to?

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50 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Cool.  In that case he's on the roster in 2021 and we can tag him again in 2022.  This isn't that hard.

I think that's the best strategy. 

Rather than giving him a long term contract? 

2021 = Franchise tag. 

2022 = Franchise tag. 

2023 = Let him walk @ 30 years old (and let another team overpay for an overrated FS who's now 30 years old).

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8 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes and we should totally always give players exactly what they want.  Just as I can't blame him for being pissed at the team, I can't blame Douglas for low-balling a player he didn't draft at a non-premium position.  

Exactly. As @Sperm Edwards said so succinctly: there doesn't always have to be a villain.

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14 hours ago, genot said:

And the players around the league ate also taking notice on how Maye has been treated Fairly or unfairly.. Which is my main concern here.

No they don't, because the Jets did nothing wrong.  No one is reporting that the Jets screwed Maye.  Just people like you are carrying the torch for poor old Maye.

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Do we really have a GM that can run a draft, recruit top coaches, play hard ball with veterans and win, and manage the cap with positional value? 
 

this is a good day. 
 

 

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14 hours ago, genot said:

Sam Darnold has nothing to do with Maye.

We know this.  

Your problem is you brought Sam up, added him to the conversation to back your criticism of the JD-Maye negotiations and its kind of been laughed at and now you want him removed from the conversation.  

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12 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The decision to move on from Darnold was made about 3 games into last season,. He stinks, has always stunk and there was 0 chance he was ever coming back.  Joe D lied through his teeth anytime he mentioned darnold or anything about him.

He feel asleep in the suite watching Darnold play.  HAHAHAAHAHAHA

The decision to take Zach at 2 over fields, lance etc was made after Zach's pro day.  The decision to move on from Darnold was made waaaaaaaay before that.

I hope I never reach a point in my life where I make posts like this.

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10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Being paid like a top 5 Safety, which he is in 2021, when he was no better than the 4th-best Safety from his draft class is hardly a "dollar and a skinny turkey".  

 

10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes and we should totally always give players exactly what they want.  Just as I can't blame him for being pissed at the team, I can't blame Douglas for low-balling a player he didn't draft at a non-premium position.  

 

10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Corey Lawson and Corey Davis didn't seem to have any complaints when they signed here.  And even Crowder hasn't complained a whole lot.  Probably because he's still making more here than he'd make on the open market.  Similar to the way Maye is making more in 2021 than he'd get on the open market.  

 

10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And yet he doesn't seem to give 2 sh*ts that Darnold is gone.  Nor should anyone. 

 

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

When Macc was making it rain did good players want to play here? 

 

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Cool.  In that case he's on the roster in 2021 and we can tag him again in 2022.  This isn't that hard.

 

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We also have roughly a million draft picks next draft, just like we did this past draft.  It won't be a turn-style roster much longer.

And what's wrong with 1-2 year deals?  As long as they're not largely at premium positions (like the Kelvin Beachum's or Breshad Perriman's of the world), who cares?  1-2 year deals at the non-premium spots help give you flexibility.

 

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Probably because the roster is cluttered with rookie/2nd year Safeties and he wanted Maye to be a "bridge" for at least one more year?  

The option is always there to trade him, too.  Why let him walk for nothing but a possible comp pick if you don't have to?

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The Jets weren't willing to pay Jamal Adams who is probably the better of the two players. So it's not really a big surprise if they don't meet Maye's price. We have a new coaching staff and the HC is a D Coordinator. So you have to go with their evaluation of the player. You know one thing for sure. Some team will be willing to pay him but probably not at the price he wants. 

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16 hours ago, genot said:

He's a veteran presence in a young suspect secondary. We need him. 

 
Maye’s a nice player who’ll be getting paid nicely this year. He was only tagged because the franchise tag for low valued positions have low costs. The Jets are probably actually overpaying him this season because -you’re right!- the Jets need him this year. They have the cap room and he helps solidify the secondary this year. Maye is probably a little frustrated but these concerns that other players are watching what happens here and taking a negative view are unfounded. Instead, you have a team coming off a 2-14 season that’s had little trouble attracting free agents. 
 
He’s made $6.5M so far in his career, he’s guaranteed $10.6M this year. If he plays well and stays healthy, he’ll either get tagged again for more money, or hit free agency and make more money. Your unrelenting assault on the way he’s being treated is kinda silly. Joe Douglas is putting the team first, which is his job. Part of that involves not overpaying one of the lowest valued positions in the league just because Rich Cimini thinks the Jets need to sign someone long term. 

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On 7/15/2021 at 9:04 AM, Sperm Edwards said:

If the rumored amount of $8MM/yr is correct, that's a low-ball offer in 2021.

Not based on what John Johnson got guaranteed. 2 yrs $17.25 million.  He's 3 years younger than Maye and better.

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On 7/15/2021 at 9:46 AM, genot said:

If Maye knew what the extension offer was, my guess he would have tested the free agent waters. Which is his right considering his length od service.

He didb test the FA waters. His agents already said he got offered more from other teams.  Which of course is horse sh*t since the safeties got terrible money in FA so why would it be any better for a good but not great player?

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13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We also have roughly a million draft picks next draft, just like we did this past draft.  It won't be a turn-style roster much longer.

And what's wrong with 1-2 year deals?  As long as they're not largely at premium positions (like the Kelvin Beachum's or Breshad Perriman's of the world), who cares?  1-2 year deals at the non-premium spots help give you flexibility.

The positives of 1-2 year deals is that the players are constantly playing for their next pay day instead of relaxing on a 4-5 year deal. 

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10 minutes ago, choon328 said:

The positives of 1-2 year deals is that the players are constantly playing for their next pay day instead of relaxing on a 4-5 year deal. 

Yep.  A way to avoid the Albert Haynesworth's, Muhammad Wilkerson's or Trumaine Johnson's of the world.  Certainly not every player who gets a length deal dogs it, but enough do for it to be a concern.

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2 hours ago, choon328 said:

Not based on what John Johnson got guaranteed. 2 yrs $17.25 million.  He's 3 years younger than Maye and better.

Sorry but this is 100% wrong.

John Johnson's contract is just over $11MM/year: 3 years, $33.75MM with $24MM guaranteed over the first 2 seasons.

So using your own example, 3 years at $8MM/yr is an obvious low-ball, unserious offer.

I'm not objecting to just having him for 1 season under the tag, but (if the leaked Jets' offer is accurate) in effect Douglas offered him 1 more guaranteed season at $5MM. 

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55 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yep.  A way to avoid the Albert Haynesworth's, Muhammad Wilkerson's or Trumaine Johnson's of the world.  Certainly not every player who gets a length deal dogs it, but enough do for it to be a concern.

Yeah I don't agree with this.

Mo got 2 years guaranteed and was cut after 2 years. There's no evidence that he would've played better if his contract was only 2 years long but paid the same amount over those 2 years. If he played well he stood to make a bundle in year 3. He sucked, so he lost out on it and made less as a result.

With the same guarantees paid out over the first year or two, a longer deal doesn't provide any more or less motivation. A shorter deal is as likely to backfire as it is to help the team. e.g. a longer deal gets the player locked in to the team for years 3,4,5 at year 1 rates. Constant 1-2 year deals means you're always paying the highest rate per (veteran) player. 

Further, those 3rd/4th/5th years aren't guaranteed. The team isn't noticeably worse off cutting a player after 2 years than it'd be if a player's contract naturally expired after 2 years. On the one hand, you're in line for a comp pick on the shorter deal. On the other hand, you've got a serious risk of outright losing a player you want to retain.

The way to avoid it is to not structure a longer term contract where it'd crush the team's flexibility in a future year if the team cuts ties (by a large amortized SB getting accelerated). If the team is responsible with its finances, it shouldn't need to make a first contract year so artificially low that it necessarily causes artificially high cap numbers later. 

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18 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Wrong.

John Johnson's contract is just over $11MM/year.

3 years, $33.75MM with $24MM guaranteed over the first 2 seasons.

So using your own example, 3 years at $8MM/yr is an obvious low-ball, unserious offer.

I'm not objecting to just having him for 1 season under the tag, but (if the leaked Jets' offer is accurate) in effect Douglas offered him 1 more guaranteed season at $5MM. 

Thats fine but what being left out was IF Maye was offered 8 mil per he also would have had a signing bonus tacked on, increasing the value of the deal.

Just like JJs contract includes a 12 mil signing bonus.  

Maye screwed himself.  He could have been at the same place with 8 mil per for 3 years and a similar or lower signing bonus 

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11 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Yeah I don't agree with this.

Mo got 2 years guaranteed and was cut after 2 years. There's no evidence that he would've played better if his contract was only 2 years long but paid the same amount over those 2 years. If he played well he stood to make a bundle in year 3. He sucked, so he lost out on it and made less as a result.

With the same guarantees paid out over the first year or two, a longer deal doesn't provide any more or less motivation. A shorter deal is as likely to backfire as it is to help the team. e.g. a longer deal gets the player locked in to the team for years 3,4,5 at year 1 rates. Constant 1-2 year deals means you're always paying the highest rate per (veteran) player. 

Further, those 3rd/4th/5th years aren't guaranteed. The team isn't noticeably worse off cutting a player after 2 years than it'd be if a player's contract naturally expired after 2 years. On the one hand, you're in line for a comp pick on the shorter deal. On the other hand, you've got a serious risk of outright losing a player you want to retain.

The way to avoid it is to not structure a longer term contract where it'd crush the team's flexibility in a future year if the team cuts ties (by a large amortized SB getting accelerated). If the team is responsible with its finances, it shouldn't need to make a first contract year so artificially low that it necessarily causes artificially high cap numbers later. 

 

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6 teams that could trade for Marcus Maye

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The Jets and Marcus Maye failed to agree on a long-term contract extension before Thursday’s 4 p.m. deadline, placing his future with the organization in question.

New York reportedly lowballed Maye, offering him an extension that was 20 percent lower than his $10.612 million franchise tag tender. According to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, the Jets did not respond to Maye’s counteroffer, which was taken off the table ahead of the deadline. Per Rapoport, Maye rejected New York’s original offer because he had better offers from other teams entering free agency this offseason.

With the extension deadline in the books, the Jets cannot offer Maye a new contract until after the 2021 season, when he will become an unrestricted free agent unless he is franchise tagged again. This opens up the possibility that Joe Douglas could trade Maye this year if the general manager doesn’t think he can retain the safety long-term.

If Douglas does opt to move on from Maye and get something in return for his services instead of letting him walk in free agency, here are six potential trade partners for New York.

Jacksonville Jaguars

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The Jaguars are still rebuilding, but they can accelerate their timeline by making a move for Maye. Jacksonville’s secondary leaves a lot to be desired, especially at safety. Maye would instantly change that and give Urban Meyer the defensive backbone he is looking for. The Jaguars also have the salary cap space to meet Maye’s financial demands, making Jacksonville a candidate to bring the Florida native home.

Las Vegas Raiders

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The Raiders drafted Trevon Moehrig to play free safety and have Johnathan Abram at strong safety, but Las Vegas is in desperate need of a proven playmaker in its secondary. The team’s last two mid-season collapses can be attributed directly to its porous defense and Maye would provide a much-needed boost on the back end. Drafting Moehrig should not keep the Raiders out of the race to land Maye, as the two have skill sets that can coexist.

Baltimore Ravens

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The Ravens do not have many weaknesses on defense, but safety is one entering 2021. Chuck Clark and DeShon Elliot are far from slouches, but Maye is the kind of player Baltimore needs if it wants to seriously contend for a Super Bowl. Could Joe Douglas swing a deal with his former employer?

Carolina Panthers

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The Jets have already made one big trade with the Panthers this offseason. Could another one happen? Carolina showed that it is on the prowl to upgrade its secondary when it selected Jaycee Horn in the first round of the 2021 NFL draft. With Horn on board at cornerback, trading for Maye would give the Panthers a veteran safety to anchor their secondary for the foreseeable future.

Dallas Cowboys

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Dallas has needed help at safety for a while now. The Cowboys struggled to defend the pass at times last season and lack of production on the back end of the secondary was a big reason why. Jerry Jones should not have an issue paying Maye enough on his contract extension and can make a big move to bolster Dallas’ biggest defensive weakness ahead of the 2021 season.

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Washington’s defense is already solid, but it could stand to improve with a splashy move at safety — such as trading for Maye. Pairing the Florida product with Landon Collins would establish Washington’s defense as far and away the best in the NFC East. Collins and Maye would form an expensive safety duo — Collins is due to make $12.5 million in 2021 — but one well worth the price tag. There is also an out in Collins’ contract after this upcoming season, which would make Washington paying Maye the big bucks a bit more feasible.

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5 hours ago, slats said:

 
Maye’s a nice player who’ll be getting paid nicely this year. He was only tagged because the franchise tag for low valued positions have low costs. The Jets are probably actually overpaying him this season because -you’re right!- the Jets need him this year. They have the cap room and he helps solidify the secondary this year. Maye is probably a little frustrated but these concerns that other players are watching what happens here and taking a negative view are unfounded. Instead, you have a team coming off a 2-14 season that’s had little trouble attracting free agents. 
 
He’s made $6.5M so far in his career, he’s guaranteed $10.6M this year. If he plays well and stays healthy, he’ll either get tagged again for more money, or hit free agency and make more money. Your unrelenting assault on the way he’s being treated is kinda silly. Joe Douglas is putting the team first, which is his job. Part of that involves not overpaying one of the lowest valued positions in the league just because Rich Cimini thinks the Jets need to sign someone long term. 

I think Maye knows that he will make guaranteed at least another $12mm next year, either from the Jets or someone else.  If Ashtyn or someone else can't step into the role of 200 lb safety in 2021, JD will have to franchise Maye, if he is healthy enough to play.  That is the option.  Otherwise, if Maye was guaranteed over $22mm by the Jets in the last offer, he should have taken it, because, as it looks now, Maye's guaranty is only the $10.6mm for this year.  At Maye's age, he should have taken more guaranteed money in 2021.  He is betting that he performs AND does not get injured.

It would be nice to be able replace Maye and be able to franchise Moses, if necessary.  

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47 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Thats fine but what being left out was IF Maye was offered 8 mil per he also would have had a signing bonus tacked on, increasing the value of the deal.

Just like JJs contract includes a 12 mil signing bonus.  

Maye screwed himself.  He could have been at the same place with 8 mil per for 3 years and a similar or lower signing bonus 

It's beyond unlikely that $8M/yr doesn't already include the signing bonus factored in. Nobody looks at contracts that way. 

He has a 1 yr $11MM signed tag contract right now. A 3 year $24MM contract tacks on 2 years for ~$13MM ($6.5MM/yr) onto that.

Unless he suffers a career-ending injury this season, he's better off by far just playing under the franchise tag, which is what's happening. Such a low-ball offer is technically an offer in literal terms, that in practical terms isn't a real offer. @jgb gave a good, if exaggerated, example:

On 7/15/2021 at 10:32 AM, jgb said:

I got 2 dead trees that need to be taken down. I want the smaller branches cut off and hauled away and the trunk and bigger branches chopped and stacked neatly.

$15 sound cool?

It's disingenuous to make an offer you know perfectly well the other side will never accept, and then say, "Hey, I made you an offer."

It's not a serious offer, and therefore any comments alluding to a fervent desire to get Maye locked up long term were bull***t. Or they hold no more truth than my "desire" to buy a house at ~50% off the going rate.

Of course this all presumes the leaked numbers are accurate.

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Jets out of options after Marcus Maye deadline passes

By Ryan Dunleavy

July 15, 2021 | 9:05pm

 

Where Jets stand in complicated talks with star

The free-agency gamble at center of Jets strength

Marcus Maye enjoyed the well-timed best season of his career in the final year of his contract.

Can he do it again? Maye and the Jets should find out soon after Thursday’s NFL-imposed 4 p.m. deadline for franchise-tagged players to sign extensions passed without a deal in place. Negotiations cannot resume until after the season.

Maye’s first chance to reach free agency was delayed in March when the Jets applied the franchise tag, giving the two sides four more months to work out a long-term marriage. The 2017 second-round draft pick is coming off career highs for tackles (82), sacks (two), passes defended (11) and turnovers generated (five) but returning to a defense where edge-rusher Carl Lawson ($15 million per year) and inside linebacker C.J. Mosley ($17 million) are higher paid because of free-agent splurges.

The homegrown Maye’s one-year contract will pay $10.612 million, which was the average of the five highest salaries over the last five years for safeties. It’s a relative bargain because six safeties have signed new contracts since the start of 2019 that average more than $14 million per year, indicating the market is regaining strength after a downturn in 2018.

Marcus Maye and the Jets won’t be able to negotiate again until after the season.

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The Jets made multiple offers to the 28-year-old Maye after he was tagged, a league source told The Post. His first contract paid $6.5 million total over four years.

If Maye was using $14 million as his market value and the Jets reportedly once offered about $8.5 million before the tag was applied, meeting in the middle of what is a sizeable gap at that price point would have meant about $11.25 million — or the annual average on the deal John Johnson signed with the Browns as the top 2021 free agent. That’s likely near where talks stalled even though Johnson and Maye have had comparable careers as second-day picks in the 2017 draft.

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Deadline day was quiet across the league with one exception: The Panthers replaced the tag with a four-year, $72 million extension for offensive tackle Taylor Moton.

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No deals got done for receivers Chris Godwin (Buccaneers) and Allen Robinson (Bears), offensive linemen Cam Robinson (Jaguars) and Brandon Scherff (Washington) or safety Marcus Williams (Saints). It’s the second-straight tag year for Scherff. Defensive lineman Leonard Williams (Giants) and safety Justin Simmons (Broncos) were tagged but previously reached new deals.

Jonathan Abraham is the last Jet to have played on a franchise tag.

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The Jets tagged defensive tackle Muhammad Wilkerson in 2016, kicker Nick Folk in 2014, linebacker David Harris in 2011 and defensive end John Abraham in 2005 and 2006. The tag bought time for Wilkerson, Harris and Folk to sign multiyear extensions, and Abraham’s second tag preceded his trade to the Falcons.

So, Maye will be the first Jet to play on the tag since Abraham in 2005. The difference is Maye already signed his tag — about two weeks after it was applied — whereas Abraham waited until the end of training camp to sign.

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It is not known if Maye — who skipped voluntary spring workouts but attended mandatory minicamp — will try to send a message by reporting late to training camp. Under the collective bargaining agreement ratified in 2020, signed players who hold out for five days or fewer at the start of camp are not subject to fines, but a sixth day could result in forfeiting 15 percent of salary. Teams are allowed to add 1 percent for each subsequent day of a holdout up to 25 percent.

But the Jets are trying to avoid an acrimonious relationship with Maye. Especially after the ugly split with Jamal Adams. Maye is the only first- or second-round pick from any draft class prior to 2019 who remains with the team.

The Jets still have about $24.9 million in salary-cap space available, according to NFLPA records.

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