Savage69 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 58 minutes ago, Biggs said: I expect Zach as a rookie to give us the best QB play we have had since Pennington came off the bench to replace Vinny T. He's the Dan Marino of this draft class. Marino went 7 and 2 as a rookie when he finally got the start. If Zach isn't flat out great this team will suck for another decade. It he's great were going to be in the hunt for the playoffs. Saleh got it dead wrong. Zach has to lift the team. I think he does it. What Saleh said was exactly right you don't put more pressure on a rookie QB then necessary.. However I think Zack will lift the team also.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Facts said: This deserves a captain obvious award of the century. I meant Allen is in for a big regression if Diggs’ play drops off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, Savage69 said: What Saleh said was exactly right you don't put more pressure on a rookie QB then necessary.. However I think Zack will lift the team also.. From the little bit I have seen of footage from OTAs it seems he already is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 90 percent of parents when polled, responded that the US Education system is under performing. 80 percent responded that the school that their child attends is adequate or above average. Conclusion. We all believe we have something special. Football is no different. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: 90 percent of parents when polled, responded that the US Education system is under performing. 80 percent responded that the school that their child attends is adequate or above average. Conclusion. We all believe we have something special. Football is no different. Of course their are some fan's that just rather be negative, wherever floats you boat as the saying goes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, Savage69 said: What Saleh said was exactly right you don't put more pressure on a rookie QB then necessary.. However I think Zack will lift the team also.. I never believe in the HC blowing smoke up players asses. They aren't in college anymore. They're professionals and need to grow up and accept it. Saleh is a rookie HC. Who's going to lift him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 hours ago, southparkcpa said: 90 percent of parents when polled, responded that the US Education system is under performing. 80 percent responded that the school that their child attends is adequate or above average. Conclusion. We all believe we have something special. Football is no different. Famous 1981 survey polled Americans on whether they were above-average drivers. 93% responded "yes." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jeremy2020 Posted July 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: I meant Allen is in for a big regression if Diggs’ play drops off. I also think Allen is in real danger of his play dropping off if he gets hit by a meteor. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, jgb said: Famous 1981 survey polled Americans on whether they were above-average drivers. 93% responded "yes." ...But I really am above average! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: ...But I really am above average! where it counts? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: where it counts? No 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Savage69 said: Of course their are some fan's that just rather be negative, wherever floats you boat as the saying goes.. Yes… for me, I go where the stats and record lead me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: ...But I really am above average! Ego doesn’t count. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelScott Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 19 hours ago, jgb said: If Darnold had any 10-game stretch like Tua's only 10 NFL games to date, he might still be here. SAR will just keep throwing out crazy takes. When they fail, he excuses them away by counting "mental wins if this or that." One day he'll get one right by sheer chance. Then God help us all. One thing you can always count on is that there most certainly will be excuses when the crazy takes (shockingly!?) don't come true lol Although, to be fair, there are a lot of posters that will come up with excuses, rationalize, and argue their take to the death long after being proven wrong i.e. the above mentioned poster claiming Gase was a good coach every week of last seasons disaster. It seems to be a much less often occurrence of people just owning being wrong and saying "Yup I really f'ed up that one" lol. Although it certainly gives this place some entertainment and is the reason why no hotly debated topic ever dies a quick death around here. Regardless of what Sam does, 3 years from now we'll still have people arguing Sam is the worst QB in the world VS he had the worst coach in the world. Hell, Sam could be out of the league in 2 years and his die hard supporters still wouldn't say I was wrong about him. They would just pivot from Gase ruined his chances with the Jets to Gase and Mac ruined his career. Kid woulda been HOF if not for those 2... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 35 minutes ago, MichaelScott said: One thing you can always count on is that there most certainly will be excuses when the crazy takes (shockingly!?) don't come true lol Although, to be fair, there are a lot of posters that will come up with excuses, rationalize, and argue their take to the death long after being proven wrong i.e. the above mentioned poster claiming Gase was a good coach every week of last seasons disaster. It seems to be a much less often occurrence of people just owning being wrong and saying "Yup I really f'ed up that one" lol. Although it certainly gives this place some entertainment and is the reason why no hotly debated topic ever dies a quick death around here. Regardless of what Sam does, 3 years from now we'll still have people arguing Sam is the worst QB in the world VS he had the worst coach in the world. Hell, Sam could be out of the league in 2 years and his die hard supporters still wouldn't say I was wrong about him. They would just pivot from Gase ruined his chances with the Jets to Gase and Mac ruined his career. Kid woulda been HOF if not for those 2... No one ever admits they were wrong on the Internet. They just go into hibernation and wait for conditions to improve. If Geno starts a game for Russ Wilson next year and doesn't completely crap the bed, trust me, there will be people saying the Jets never gave Geno a fair shake. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 The Jets without Gase is a major upgrade. The Saleh hire is great, plus the culture change. JD seems to be balling with his negotiating skills and Draft wheeler dealing. Let’s see how an actual NFL offence from the 21st century looks. I want to see competitive football even if we take the L. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: The Jets without Gase is a major upgrade. The Saleh hire is great, plus the couture change. JD seems to be balling with his negotiating skills and Draft wheeler dealing. Let’s see how an actual NFL offence from the 21st century looks. I want to see competitive football even if we take the L. I'd also add moving on from Darnold is an addition by subtraction. Sure Wilson could completely wipe out but it's a smart risk to try to improve over the worst-rated starter in the league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 11 hours ago, southparkcpa said: Yes… for me, I go where the stats and record lead me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 22 hours ago, Biggs said: If Zach isn't flat out great this team will suck for another decade. It he's great were going to be in the hunt for the playoffs. A little dramatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: A little dramatic. Not really. We have a potential great QB in the division right now in Allen. If Zach isn't an elite NFL QB we will suck for another decade. Picking Darnold over Allen and Jackson was a dissaster for the Jets. If Zach washes out or is a second tier mediocre starter the suck factor will continue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Biggs said: Not really. We have a potential great QB in the division right now in Allen. If Zach isn't an elite NFL QB we will suck for another decade. Picking Darnold over Allen and Jackson was a dissaster for the Jets. If Zach washes out or is a second tier mediocre starter the suck factor will continue... Theres no reason to believe that we will suck for 10 years is my point. We didnt suck for 10 years because of Sam or any other QB failure. Especially in todays NFL, you dont have to make the financial commitment you had to make years ago that would set you back. Darnold, Rosen, Tua if he doesn't show more than he did in 2020 etc. Teams move on 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 53 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Theres no reason to believe that we will suck for 10 years is my point. We didnt suck for 10 years because of Sam or any other QB failure. Especially in todays NFL, you dont have to make the financial commitment you had to make years ago that would set you back. Darnold, Rosen, Tua if he doesn't show more than he did in 2020 etc. Teams move on Smart ones do. Meanwhile we still argue whether the Jets failed Mark Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, jgb said: Smart ones do. Meanwhile we still argue whether the Jets failed Mark Sanchez. Well Sanchez is a weird scenario. He started out with so much promise, seemed to get it, went to AFCCGs in each of his first two seasons. Was easy to not credit the really good team he hitched his star to. Truth was he never was that good, just good enough to get to the game, not to take the team to the next game. Its much easier to blame Rex, Tanny, the Johnson family whoever over admitting that he just may have been overrated by fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 11:14 AM, Savage69 said: What Saleh said was exactly right you don't put more pressure on a rookie QB then necessary.. However I think Zack will lift the team also.. Theres a difference between believing your rookie QB is capable of lifting the team and letting the world know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Theres a difference between believing your rookie QB is capable of lifting the team and letting the world know it. Playing QB is one of the most pressure-soaked positions in sport. Except maybe baseball pitcher or soccer goalie during penalty kicks. If a guy can't handle a little push in training camp, get that daisy outta here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Theres no reason to believe that we will suck for 10 years is my point. We didnt suck for 10 years because of Sam or any other QB failure. Especially in todays NFL, you dont have to make the financial commitment you had to make years ago that would set you back. Darnold, Rosen, Tua if he doesn't show more than he did in 2020 etc. Teams move on the Jets haven't made the playoffs in 10 years. They have sucked for exactly 10 years. Sam Darnold wasn't the reason we suck but how we ended up with him is. The failure to adequately address the QB position, the lost draft capital and the actual decision to take Sam were all part of the failed management. If Zach isn't great it will be a reflection of another failed GM and Coaching staff not getting it right. It will trickle down and kill the team. It will mean a new QB, a new HC and GM at some point in the near future. Zach, Douglas and Saleh are all tied at the hip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Biggs said: the Jets haven't made the playoffs in 10 years. They have sucked for exactly 10 years. Sam Darnold wasn't the reason we suck but how we ended up with him is. The failure to adequately address the QB position, the lost draft capital and the actual decision to take Sam were all part of the failed management. If Zach isn't great it will be a reflection of another failed GM and Coaching staff not getting it right. It will trickle down and kill the team. It will mean a new QB, a new HC and GM at some point in the near future. Zach, Douglas and Saleh are all tied at the hip. Yeah its true, we havent made the playoffs in 10 years but it has nothing to do with Sanchez, the last to make the playoffs failing. You cant put 10 years without the playoffs on Sam. The reason we havent made the playoffs in 10 years is because of horrible drafting and bad coaching. Its simple. We had good QB play in 2015 and didnt make the playoffs. 1st time HC isnt tied to the hip of a rookie QB. Anymore than others before Saleh here and elsewhere. Regardless the idea that a failed rookie QB leads to 10 years of a black hole is from another century. Doesnt happen anymore. AZ is the perfect example as are the Jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Yeah its true, we havent made the playoffs in 10 years but it has nothing to do with Sanchez, the last to make the playoffs failing. You cant put 10 years without the playoffs on Sam. The reason we havent made the playoffs in 10 years is because of horrible drafting and bad coaching. Its simple. We had good QB play in 2015 and didnt make the playoffs. 1st time HC isnt tied to the hip of a rookie QB. Anymore than others before Saleh here and elsewhere. Regardless the idea that a failed rookie QB leads to 10 years of a black hole is from another century. Doesnt happen anymore. AZ is the perfect example as are the Jets. AZ has 4 playoff apperances in 20 years. 5 in the last 30 years. They haven't had a winning season for 5 straight years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Biggs said: AZ has 4 playoff apperances in 20 years. 5 in the last 30 years. They haven't had a winning season for 5 straight years. I get that but they drafted a QB 3 years ago, cut him after one season with the GM surviving and are pretty close to being a playoff team with a FQB in place. They go 10 years more without a playoff it wont have a thing to do with the Rosen pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I get that but they drafted a QB 3 years ago, cut him after one season with the GM surviving and are pretty close to being a playoff team with a FQB in place. They go 10 years more without a playoff it wont have a thing to do with the Rosen pick If Kyle Murray doesn't step up to elite status both the GM and HC will be fired in the next two years and they will be starting over. Murray has a lot to prove. He frankly stunk down the stretch last year and cost them a playoff spot. He's a terrific midget QB who wore out when they needed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 11:43 AM, southparkcpa said: 90 percent of parents when polled, responded that the US Education system is under performing. 80 percent responded that the school that their child attends is adequate or above average. Conclusion. We all believe we have something special. Football is no different. Apparently parents are a lot like football fans. They're overly invested in their kids education working out for their kids so they can't make a rational judgement on the reality of the situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Biggs said: If Kyle Murray doesn't step up to elite status both the GM and HC will be fired in the next two years and they will be starting over. Murray has a lot to prove. He frankly stunk down the stretch last year and cost them a playoff spot. He's a terrific midget QB who wore out when they needed him. And that will be the GM getting fired after two failed drafts. But hes not going to get dumped for drafting Murray, he has already shown he can play. It would be because he didnt build a team to take advantage of the QB. A whole different story. Murray wore out? You mean when he was injured over the last 1/4 of the season? When we get a QB to throw for a shade under 4K yards, 67% comp, 26 TDs and 12 INTs I'll complain that hes a midget. Until then it sounds pretty empty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: And that will be the GM getting fired after two failed drafts. But hes not going to get dumped for drafting Murray, he has already shown he can play. It would be because he didnt build a team to take advantage of the QB. A whole different story. Murray wore out? You mean when he was injured over the last 1/4 of the season? When we get a QB to throw for a shade under 4K yards, 67% comp, 26 TDs and 12 INTs I'll complain that hes a midget. Until then it sounds pretty empty Murray had a playoff team around him last year. Murray and Kingsbury were the reason they didn't make the playoffs. The Jets haven't recovered yet from hiring Rex and drafting Sanchez when we actually had a SB quality team that was squandered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Biggs said: Murray had a playoff team around him last year. Murray and Kingsbury were the reason they didn't make the playoffs. The Jets haven't recovered yet from hiring Rex and drafting Sanchez when we actually had a SB quality team that was squandered. And yet somehow many believe Rosen was plopped into the final circle in Hell by being drafted by Arizona a mere year earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, Biggs said: Murray had a playoff team around him last year. Murray and Kingsbury were the reason they didn't make the playoffs. The Jets haven't recovered yet from hiring Rex and drafting Sanchez when we actually had a SB quality team that was squandered. Yes, the Jets havent made the playoffs because of Sanchez. And youre just going to keep arguing arent you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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