rex-n-effect Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'll take the other side of the argument here. If you're a GM who wants to be seen as a firm negotiator who pays players what they are worth not what they can take from the team then you have to be a firm negotiator every time. Today's negotiation sets the tone for tomorrow's negotiation. JD's willingness to negotiate aggressively with Wilson without a safety net is setting a tone with all the agents for all future negotiations. Practically, everybody knows there is very little risk that Wilson sits a year or goes back to college and there is very little risk that the Jets won't find a deal that works so this is very likely about the show and not the substance. We can't have another GM that gets played (Cousins) and hands out generous contracts players haven't earned. As a fan it's frustrating not to have Wilson in camp but over the long term this is frustratingly good for the team. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Only a matter of time till mom goes to social media. Better get this done in the next 24hrs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Warfish said: It's hilarious watching Fans twist themselves into pretzels in order to not get mad at their dreamboat great hope players. There is no universe where demanding to be paid by our team for not playing for our team is a reasonable ask. Just ask MLB, where similarly guaranteed contracts are a noose around the necks of many a MLB Club. The NFL is the better Pro League than MLB for many of these financial reasons. The Cap. Non-Guaranteed Contracts. Etc. This contract literally has zero impact on the Jets salary cap. The only thing it impacts is the Johnson’s money. Why can’t you separate the two? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SAR I Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said: So Fn GD stupid SAR I 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Warfish said: Zach's career path will surely be damaged if he holds out for a lengthy period, then sh*ts the bed. No big 2nd contracts for guys who sh*t the bed. Zach may be cutting off his own nose by holding out and hurting himself in his rookie campaign. It’s the Jets who are ****ing up here. The compensation is laid out in the CBA, the team is just nickel and dime-ing it for the sake of, “precedent.” The same owners gave Darnold his money up front, no offset language, it’s nonsense. The precedent the team should be trying to set is not having the #2 pick in the draft anytime soon. No need to cater to anyone if you’re picking in the 20s or later every year. If Wilson’s team refuses to give in (they shouldn’t), the organization will have no choice but to give in themselves - and soon. Which is when I expect this to get done. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RutgersJetFan Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, dbatesman said: which universe is Jacksonville in Floridus North 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Warfish said: It's hilarious watching Fans twist themselves into pretzels in order to not get mad at their dreamboat great hope players. There is no universe where demanding to be paid by our team for not playing for our team is a reasonable ask. I’m not mad at Zach because his demands are based around what the guy before him got and, despite you not understanding how this business works, is completely reasonable. The team doesn’t get to f*ck the next guy over because they got burned by their own stupid decision making in the past. Just like I’m not mad at Douglas for telling Maye to shove it while we have control over him for 2 more years if we want. Reasonable is reasonable. Just ask MLB, where similarly guaranteed contracts are a noose around the necks of many a MLB Club. The NFL is the better Pro League than MLB for many of these financial reasons. The Cap. Non-Guaranteed Contracts. Etc. The NFL is largely looked at as the biggest joke when it comes to player’s contracts, the NBA and MLB being the gold standard. The only way you’d think the NFL is the best structure is if you are so far up the owner’s asses that you have a scat fetish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mogglez Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Matt39 said: This contract literally has zero impact on the Jets salary cap. The only thing it impacts is the Johnson’s money. Why can’t you separate the two? Because he has absolutely no idea as to what he’s talking about. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 This is becoming a comedy of errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, SAR I said: SAR I As funny as that is, I firmly believe this policy comes from higher above (Johnsons, Hyme Elhai, Elaine Chen) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, neckdemon said: You're the boss with the employees who have sh*t morale because you wanna nickel and dime them over everything Complete opposite actually. I make sure the bosses aren't dicks and the employees do as their told - I'm the god damn best what I do.... More than anything, I facilitate respect on both ends, and anyone lobbying for "just get it done" is philosophically challenged to use nice language. All that, i just called my super secret confidante (gorgeous creature too) and Ralph's slinging info that's not necessarily accurate. If it's not accountability related and precedence setting, who gives a sh*t Joe. He's mormon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 29 minutes ago, SAR I said: I don't think we can have it both ways. I don't think we can say out of the left side of our mouths "Look at JD's draft! Great job by Woody giving him a title, the head coach as a direct report, and complete autonomy over football decisions!" and then say out of the right side of our mouths "JD is being forced by Woody to cut corners and get offsets and isn't involved in the most important contract in his career!" Unless you believe the promotion of Douglas and the reporting structure of Saleh are all lies, this Wilson contract fiasco is 100% on Joe Douglas. He is the Football Man of Florham Park. SAR I Disagree with your premise as I stated these holdouts ( Darnold , Quinnen ) have happened before JD got here. Didn’t happen with Becton or Vera Tucker as I am of the opinion that they agreed to the language in contract that was acceptable to Woody therefore no holdout. JD I believe has autonomy of personnel decisions of who to hire , and drafting of players. Big ticket Free agent acquisitions still would require Woodys blessing with amount of money JD wants to spend on said free agent and I truly believe that Woody wants any offset language acceptable to him. And I say this as not being a Woody Johnson hater but as someone ( and as all of us Jet fans have seen ) the same things play out on a consistent basis prior to JD’s tenure I truly hope this is the case cause if this is JD’s doing it’s not good as Saleh and JD have stated the kids need all the reps they can get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, dbatesman said: which universe is Jacksonville in The one where they were the worst team in the NFL last year? Is Wilson a generational talent? Supposedly Lawrence is, many at this very site said so (right up till we couldn't get him). No one, anywhere, ever called Wilson a generational talent. Maybe that's the difference? Did Lance, Fields and Jones all get the offsets too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RutgersJetFan Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Paradis said: Complete opposite actually. I make sure the bosses aren't dicks and the employees do as their told - I'm the god damn best what I do.... More than anything, I facilitate respect on both ends, and anyone lobbying for "just get it done" is philosophically challenged to use nice language. I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to! I have people skills! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just now, Warfish said: The one where they were the worst team in the NFL last year? Is Wilson a generational talent? Supposedly Lawrence is, many at this very site said so (right up till we couldn't get him). No one, anywhere, ever called Wilson a generational talent. Maybe that's the difference? Did Lance, Fields and Jones all get the offsets too? Hmm, now where did those goalposts get to, anyway? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Matt39 said: This contract literally has zero impact on the Jets salary cap. Read my post, I never mentioned the cap. Quote The only thing it impacts is the Johnson’s money. Millions of dollars of it, yes. Would you give someone millions of your dollars to do work for someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, dbatesman said: which universe is Jacksonville in Florida, man. Florida. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mogglez said: The NFL is largely looked at as the biggest joke when it comes to player’s contracts, the NBA and MLB being the gold standard. The only way you’d think the NFL is the best structure is if you are so far up the owner’s asses that you have a scat fetish. Jock sniffer. Wilson isn't going to come to your birthday party just because you swoon for him on a forum, mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just now, Warfish said: Jock sniffer. Wilson isn't going to come to your birthday party just because you swoon for him on a forum, mate. 5 minutes ago, Warfish said: Would you give someone millions of your dollars to do work for someone else? lmao I’m losing it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Just now, dbatesman said: lmao I’m losing it Lmao, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 imagine caping for a billionaire, thinking about ways to save him money, and it’s not even Bob Kraft or Steve Bisciotti or the Rooneys, it’s Woody Johnson lmfao 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: Jock sniffer. Wilson isn't going to come to your birthday party just because you swoon for him on a forum, mate. The perfect reply was already made by someone else, but I’ll just include the first half of that post again because you completely ignored it trying to defend your Teflon thin crusade for an invitation to Woody Johnson’s next yacht party: I’m not mad at Zach because his demands are based around what the guy before him got and, despite you not understanding how this business works, is completely reasonable. The team doesn’t get to f*ck the next guy over because they got burned by their own stupid decision making in the past. Just like I’m not mad at Douglas for telling Maye to shove it while we have control over him for 2 more years if we want. Reasonable is reasonable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: lmao I’m losing it More like fighting a losing battle. Warfish is never wrong about anything and how dare you challenge his logic. He was right about Sam Darnold just by not carrying an opinion of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, slats said: It’s the Jets who are ****ing up here. The compensation is laid out in the CBA, the team is just nickel and dime-ing it for the sake of, “precedent.” It's funny how casual some of you are with millions of other peoples actual dollars. Maybe you should pay Wilson those "nickels and dimes" if it's no big deal, eh? 20 minutes ago, slats said: The same owners gave Darnold his money up front, no offset language, it’s nonsense. Wow, so a team who literally gave that dumb deal to another player then watched him bust horribly doesn;t want to give the same deal to the next guy. Shocking, really. 20 minutes ago, slats said: The precedent the team should be trying to set is not having the #2 pick in the draft anytime soon. That's more about picking the right guys and coaches than it is about contract offsets. We'll see soon enough, today's little melodrama aside, if Wilson is that guy or not. 20 minutes ago, slats said: If Wilson’s team refuses to give in (they shouldn’t), the organization will have no choice but to give in themselves - and soon. Which is when I expect this to get done. Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: More like fighting a losing battle. Warfish is never wrong about anything and how dare you challenge his logic. He was right about Sam Darnold just by not carrying an opinion of him. That’s my favorite part about any of his arguments. He never holds a concrete opinion on anything so he can never, technically, be wrong about anything. That doesn’t stop him from gloating about how he was “right” about something though. I, too, can be right about every prospect ever when I say: “I don’t know anything about him so I’ll reserve my judgment before saying anything good or bad about him”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to! I have people skills! haha, what an amazing movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: It's funny how casual some of you are with millions of other peoples actual dollars. Maybe you should pay Wilson those "nickels and dimes" if it's no big deal, eh? hope he sees this bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, slats said: It’s the Jets who are ****ing up here. The compensation is laid out in the CBA, the team is just nickel and dime-ing it for the sake of, “precedent.” The same owners gave Darnold his money up front, no offset language, it’s nonsense. The precedent the team should be trying to set is not having the #2 pick in the draft anytime soon. No need to cater to anyone if you’re picking in the 20s or later every year. If Wilson’s team refuses to give in (they shouldn’t), the organization will have no choice but to give in themselves - and soon. Which is when I expect this to get done. When JD does cave, Wilson's team will throw him some kind of token bone to save face -- ya know make it look like JD got something out of the negotiation. But anyone who has ever negotiated knows that JD has a weak hand. If Wilson's team caves, they should be fired. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Warfish is never wrong about anything Not remotely true. Just today I told someone I was wrong on a Davis Webb vs. John Wolford debate we had a while back. I'm wrong on things as often as most. Well, maybe not most here, because most of you are disgustingly head-in-clouds optimistic most of the time and I'm a cynic, and the Jets love feeding cynics, but still...... 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: and how dare you challenge his logic. I love having my logic questioned. 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: He was right about Sam Darnold just by not carrying an opinion of him. If by "not carrying an opinion" you mean "didn't want to draft him and never thought he was as great as you jock sniffers did", sure, you nailed me. What's next, I didn't have an opinion of Geno? Or Sanchez? Lol. I'm literally one of the most opinionated and verbose people on this or any forum, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 14 hours ago, Warfish said: Lol, Woody is a scumbag mate, I'd rather piss on him than meet him. For me, it's very simple: I don't pay players to play elsewhere if they fail playing for me. Insane, I know. Still wondering if any other QB aside from Lawrence got these offsets. Yes, Justin Fields doesn’t have offsets in his contract either. He was the first QB to sign, and the Jaguars just took the structure of that deal and gave it to Trevor, just with the slotted money for the first overall pick. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, SAR I said: SAR I Ok, that’s damn funny! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, dbatesman said: hope he sees this bro It's good to have something to hope for in life I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Charlie Brown Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Mogglez said: Mickey Mouse and clown shoes organization. Do yourself a favor Zach. Just holdout and re-enter the draft next year. The Jets position is preposterous IMO..... They could get a line of credit to pay him the upfront fees and if the offset language is the key it is a non-risk for the team! Every analysis I have seen indicates that the offset language has only minorly impacted one player over the last decade! So what we are talking about here. In my previous life when I worked on leverage aircraft transactions with major US Banks , Japanese Co Lenders would demand Nuclear War insurance against US companies and they lost Billions in deals because of silliness like this. So no, this isn't smart IMO even if Zack and his team cave.... 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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