Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31904360/sources-lamar-jackson-dealing-issue-related-covid-19-miss-baltimore-ravens-practice%3fplatform=amp John Harbaugh confirms Lamar Jackson tested positive for COVID-19 Ravens coach John Harbaugh shares that Gus Edwards and Lamar Jackson will miss the start of training camp due to testing positive for COVID-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 If he is not vaxxed. He will have to miss at least 10days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Barkus said: If he is not vaxxed. He will have to miss at least 10days. How will they practice? Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 over/under on posts before this thread gets locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2021 I wonder how many professional athletes who refuse to take the vaccine would willingly line up to take steroids if they could. 8 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 too soon 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: over/under on posts before this thread gets locked? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Is Simone Biles vaccinated? I sure hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, nycdan said: I wonder how many professional athletes who refuse to take the vaccine would willingly line up to take steroids if they could. In fairness, you know what you are getting both good and bad with steroids, really no clue with an experimental vaccine 2 1 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I wish him all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: In fairness, you know what you are getting both good and bad with steroids, really no clue with an experimental vaccine How do you know the good and bad with Steroids? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 In before the lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, nycdan said: I wonder how many professional athletes who refuse to take the vaccine would willingly line up to take steroids if they could. I dunno but everyone testing positive over the past few weeks in sports seems to have been vaxxed so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, Biggs said: How do you know the good and bad with Steroids? People have been using and abusing them since the 40's, we have over 80 years of data on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, undertow said: I dunno but everyone testing positive over the past few weeks seems to have been vaxed so. Not sure where you are getting that from. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-lamar-jackson-covid-vaccine-20210616-fbhivqyuujee3kvedlzrn4naxu-story.html Ravens QB Lamar Jackson declines to say whether he’s vaccinated, calling it a personal decision 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, Biggs said: How do you know the good and bad with Steroids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Biggs Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: People have been using and abusing them since the 40's, we have over 80 years of data on them Exactly and the data is clear. They're extremely dangerous. You would have to be an idiot to put them in your body for anything other than a serious medical condition where steriods are needed and prescribed. They are way more dangerous for the average Joe than the Vaccine. FDA report on Pfizer Vaccine: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions A: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in individuals 16 years of age and older. FDA evaluated and analyzed the safety and effectiveness data from clinical trials conducted in tens of thousands of study participants and manufacturing information submitted by Pfizer-BioNTech. FDA has determined that the totality of the available data provides clear evidence that Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may be effective in preventing COVID-19 and support that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine’s use in millions of people 16 years of age and older, including healthy individuals. FDA on anabolic Steroids. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-approves-new-changes-testosterone-labeling-regarding-risks-associated-abuse-and-dependence The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved class-wide labeling changes for all prescription testosterone products, adding a new Warning and updating the Abuse and Dependence section to include new safety information from published literature and case reports regarding the risks associated with abuse and dependence of testosterone and other AAS. The Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990 placed AAS, including testosterone, in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act. Testosterone and other AAS are abused by adults and adolescents, including athletes and body builders. Abuse of testosterone, usually at doses higher than those typically prescribed and usually in conjunction with other AAS, is associated with serious safety risks affecting the heart, brain, liver, mental health, and endocrine system. Reported serious adverse outcomes include heart attack, heart failure, stroke, depression, hostility, aggression, liver toxicity, and male infertility. Individuals abusing high doses of testosterone have also reported withdrawal symptoms, such as depression, fatigue, irritability, loss of appetite, decreased libido, and insomnia. The new Warning will alert prescribers to the abuse potential of testosterone and the serious adverse outcomes, especially those related to heart and mental health that have been reported in association with testosterone/AAS abuse. In addition to the new Warning, all testosterone labeling has been revised to include information in the Abuse and Dependence section about adverse outcomes reported in association with abuse and dependence of testosterone/AAS, and information in the Warning and Precautions section advising prescribers of the importance of measuring serum testosterone concentration if abuse is suspected. Prescription testosterone products are FDA-approved as hormone replacement therapy for men who have low testosterone due to certain medical conditions. Examples of these conditions include failure of the testicles to produce testosterone because of genetic problems, or damage to the testicles from chemotherapy or infection. The FDA asks health care professionals and consumers to report any adverse reactions with the use of testosterone products to the FDA’s MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, nycdan said: Not sure where you are getting that from. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-lamar-jackson-covid-vaccine-20210616-fbhivqyuujee3kvedlzrn4naxu-story.html Ravens QB Lamar Jackson declines to say whether he’s vaccinated, calling it a personal decision All 9 Yankees players and staff who tested positive last week were vaxxed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Biggs said: Exactly and the data is clear. They're extremely dangerous. You would have to be an idiot to put them in your body for anything other than a serious medical condition where steriods are needed and prescribed. They are way more dangerous for the average Joe than the Vaccine. FDA report on Pfizer Vaccine: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions A: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in individuals 16 years of age and older. FDA evaluated and analyzed the safety and effectiveness data from clinical trials conducted in tens of thousands of study participants and manufacturing information submitted by Pfizer-BioNTech. FDA has determined that the totality of the available data provides clear evidence that Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may be effective in preventing COVID-19 and support that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine’s use in millions of people 16 years of age and older, including healthy individuals. FDA on anabolic Steroids. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-approves-new-changes-testosterone-labeling-regarding-risks-associated-abuse-and-dependence The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved class-wide labeling changes for all prescription testosterone products, adding a new Warning and updating the Abuse and Dependence section to include new safety information from published literature and case reports regarding the risks associated with abuse and dependence of testosterone and other AAS. The Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990 placed AAS, including testosterone, in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act. Testosterone and other AAS are abused by adults and adolescents, including athletes and body builders. Abuse of testosterone, usually at doses higher than those typically prescribed and usually in conjunction with other AAS, is associated with serious safety risks affecting the heart, brain, liver, mental health, and endocrine system. Reported serious adverse outcomes include heart attack, heart failure, stroke, depression, hostility, aggression, liver toxicity, and male infertility. Individuals abusing high doses of testosterone have also reported withdrawal symptoms, such as depression, fatigue, irritability, loss of appetite, decreased libido, and insomnia. The new Warning will alert prescribers to the abuse potential of testosterone and the serious adverse outcomes, especially those related to heart and mental health that have been reported in association with testosterone/AAS abuse. In addition to the new Warning, all testosterone labeling has been revised to include information in the Abuse and Dependence section about adverse outcomes reported in association with abuse and dependence of testosterone/AAS, and information in the Warning and Precautions section advising prescribers of the importance of measuring serum testosterone concentration if abuse is suspected. Prescription testosterone products are FDA-approved as hormone replacement therapy for men who have low testosterone due to certain medical conditions. Examples of these conditions include failure of the testicles to produce testosterone because of genetic problems, or damage to the testicles from chemotherapy or infection. The FDA asks health care professionals and consumers to report any adverse reactions with the use of testosterone products to the FDA’s MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program: Im not arguing either side of this, I am vaccinated and I don't use steroids. But the facts are people know good and bad what they are getting with Steroids, with the vaccine like it or not we are all a part of a long term study with unknown outcomes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: over/under on posts before this thread gets locked? 51 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: In fairness, you know what you are getting both good and bad with steroids, really no clue with an experimental vaccine I’m guessing you took the under? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, undertow said: All 8 Yankees players you tested positive last week were vaxxed. Breakthrough infections are increasing. All 8 of the Yankee who had breakthrough infections were vacinated with the single dose J&J vacinne. While it has a high rate of protection against serious illness it's less effective than both Moderna and Pfizers 2 shot vaccine for protection against infection. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, slats said: I’m guessing you took the under? I don't bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Im not arguing either side of this, I am vaccinated and I don't use steroids. But the facts are people know good and bad what they are getting with Steroids, with the vaccine like it or not we are all a part of a long term study with unknown outcomes That's not a fact. That's an opinion. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Biggs said: Breakthrough infections are increasing. All 8 of the Yankee who had breakthrough infections were vacinated with the single dose J&J vacinne. While it has a high rate of protection against serious illness it's less effective than both Moderna and Pfizers 2 shot vaccine for protection against infection. Yes exactly so assuming someone who tests positive hasn't been vaccinated isn't very smart...but I should really just stay out of these posts people aren't really interested in facts. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooooon Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 This thread sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Biggs Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, undertow said: Yes exactly so assuming someone who tests positive hasn't been vaccinated isn't very smart...but I should really just stay out of these posts people aren't really interested in facts. Agreed we are going to see way more breakthrough infections. The reason is we didn't get enough people vaccinated fast enough and the amount of people getting the vaccine peaked months ago. It's likely the failure to get a high level of people vaccinated quickly will leave vaccinated people at greater risk than if everyone had gotten vaccinated in a timely manner. The sad reality is we may lose games, we may have restrictions on fans in the stands, rolling shut downs, shortages of products and a disrupted economy for much longer than we would have had if we pulled together as a country, rolled up our sleeves and did our duty to ourselves, families and country. Even sadder as more people who have real health issues including cancers and immune compromised conditions will be at much greater risk when they need to see a health care provider. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 36 minutes ago, undertow said: I dunno but everyone testing positive over the past few weeks in sports seems to have been vaxxed so. 1. I dont think thats true 2. I wouldnt believe anyones claim knowing they'll get grief for not doing simple prevention 3. The point of the vaccine is to keep you from dying. None have died 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Tooooon said: This thread sucks Congrats on your 9th post. It really added to the conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 42 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: People have been using and abusing them since the 40's, we have over 80 years of data on them How do you compile information about illegal steroids, not prescribed steroids, that are bought illegally, taken illegally, not under a doctors supervision? Whos tracking all this and how? A lot more people have died by abusing steroids. Especially given how few take illegal steroids vs the millions who have taken a COVID-19 vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Jet Nut said: How do you compile information about illegal steroids, not prescribed steroids, that are bought illegally, taken illegally, not usually under a doctors supervision? Whos tracking all this? A lot more people have died by abusing steroids. Especially given how few take illegal steroids vs the millions who have taken a COVID-19 vaccine. You do realize that steroids are given as HRT and have been for a very long time, under doctor supervision? Not every athlete who takes steroids abuses them. Many countries also have no laws against steroids and they are not illegal, and they have been around for over 80 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: 1. I dont think thats true 2. I wouldnt believe anyones claim knowing they'll get grief for not doing simple prevention 3. The point of the vaccine is to keep you from dying. None have died None would have died without the vaccine either if you look at their statistical cohort 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: You do realize that steroids are given as HRT and have been for a very long time, under doctor supervision? Not every athlete who takes steroids abuses them. Many countries also have no laws against steroids and they are not illegal, and they have been around for over 80 years now. I said illegal. Yes, buying illegal steroids from your trainer without supervision by a medical professional is abusing the drug. Heroin has been around for over 80 years too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: None would have died without the vaccine either if you look at their statistical cohort Yeah, and you have no idea thats true. None 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Jet Nut said: I said illegal. Yes, buying illegal steroids from your trainer without supervision by a medical professional is abusing the drug. Heroin has been around for over 80 years too. The majority of projfessional athletes who are taking PED's are doing it under dr supervision, like it or not. Yes, and we know the good and bad with Heroin as well, its mostly bad. Steroids have a lot of good if they are used properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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