Does Zach Wilson suck ?

[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, jetspenguin said:

 

 

When he is showing some level of consistency then I can see some of the comments being tossed around plain and simple. More specifically DWC and his over the top references.

I don't and didn't have the expectation that would be yesterday but it's not SOJF because you don't jump out the window singing every time he completes a pass. You can be objective and not be SOJF...You realize that right?

Sent from the NY Jets Training Camp Suicide Watch desk.

 

 

It pure SOJF to think if your rookie has a string of good practices and then is up and down in a scrimmage therefore he sucks, isnt ready to start, etc, etc.

I'm shocked the same people didnt blame Saleh, LaFleur etc like they blame Gase for Darnold sucking.  When will they start blaming the CS?

Oh yeah and of course the Johnsons, they're to blame for a bad glorified practice performance in week one of August.

Its like no one has watched the NFL before.

[DannyDevito3]

9 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Patrick Mahomes vs. TB (without an O-Line).

• 26/49 (53.0%). 

• 270 passing yards (5.51 yards per pass attempt).

• 0 TDs. 

• 2 INTs. 

• 3 x sacked. 

• Only 9 points scored (3 FGs).

√ QB Rating of only 52.3 (atrocious).

How Patrick Mahomes looked vs. The Buccaneers Defense because of a depleted and crap O-Lineman? Is how he would've always looked as a Jets QB if drafted into Maccagnan's atrocious O-Line. 

I always told people for years on end who called the Jamal Adams a bad pick, that if drafted by NYJ Patrick Mahomes would've looked like complete crap; and his crap performance (one of the worst I've ever seen) against TB imo proved me right. 

No. Mahomes would've never won a SB if drafted by Maccagnan. No. Mahomes would've never made an All-Pro team if drafted into our atrocious O-Line. No. Patrick Mahomes would've never had a winning season if drafted as a Jet. And no, Patrick Mahomes would've never returned us back two 1st round draft picks (because he would've looked like KC vs. TB crap). 

Mahomes went to QB heaven with Andy Reid, Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins and more importantly an A+ O-Line full of nothing but Pro Bowl and All-Pro O-linemen.

If drafted into NY (back then) he would've immediately been drafted into O-Line and QB hell. 

That game against TB (behind an injury depleted and absolute crapfest O-Line) is a perfect example of who he "would've been as a Jet" and all the "arm talent" in the world wouldn't have been able to save him (awesome QB though and an amazing talent nonetheless).

So what are the excuses going to be for Zach?

Gase is out of the picture 

He’s got weapons 

The Jets invested into the OL

 

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, DannyDevito3 said:

So what are the excuses going to be for Zach?

Gase is out of the picture 

He’s got weapons 

The Jets invested into the OL

 

I think you'll find that no one is making or looking to make mistakes.  Hes a friggen rookie, hes going to have a rough time along with the good days.  How ridiculous is it to make these same stupid comment every time we bring in rookie QBs, DT, OL etc?  

Its like you people have never watched NFL football and have no idea what your looking at 

[JustInFudge]

13 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Jittery on a check down, bad pass. Last pass into triple coverage into the EZ. Not much to go off of here, but the game looks fast for him right now. 

That last throw was straight up, Sam Darnold with the #2 jersey on.

[ZachEY]

14 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Jittery on a check down, bad pass. Last pass into triple coverage into the EZ. Not much to go off of here, but the game looks fast for him right now. 

Hard to focus on the play with the Macho Man Randy Savage voice-over.

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

I think you'll find that no one is making or looking to make mistakes.  Hes a friggen rookie, hes going to have a rough time along with the good days.  How ridiculous is it to make these same stupid comment every time we bring in rookie QBs, DT, OL etc?  

Its like you people have never watched NFL football and have no idea what your looking at 

Or we’re sick of crappy offenses and lying about what we’re seeing? 

You constantly make excuses. The Jets need Wilson to play well out of the gate. That’s why they drafted him. If the transition to BYU to league is overwhelming him then the Jets should have better planned for that.

 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, TeddEY said:

Hard to focus on the play with the Macho Man Randy Savage voice-over.

I meant to include please watch without the sound on.

[ZachEY]

Just now, Matt39 said:

I meant to include please watch without the sound on.

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHH YEAAHHHHHHHHHH

[jetspenguin]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

It pure SOJF to think if your rookie has a string of good practices and then is up and down in a scrimmage therefore he sucks, isnt ready to start, etc, etc.

I'm shocked the same people didnt blame Saleh, LaFleur etc like they blame Gase for Darnold sucking.  When will they start blaming the CS?

Oh yeah and of course the Johnsons, they're to blame for a bad glorified practice performance in week one of August.

Its like no one has watched the NFL before.

Reading is fundamental.....I said lets wait until he has has a string of good practices before we put him in canton....and he didnt have a string of good practices. He had good ones and bad ones. I never said anything about him sucking.....that is just your made up nonsense. 

[jetspenguin]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

I think you'll find that no one is making or looking to make mistakes.  Hes a friggen rookie, hes going to have a rough time along with the good days.  How ridiculous is it to make these same stupid comment every time we bring in rookie QBs, DT, OL etc?  

Its like you people have never watched NFL football and have no idea what your looking at 

or...........maybe people say the same things and put the rookie qb in the pro-bowl every time we draft one. roght out the gate in training camp he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. You have been around long enough to know this is true.

 

happened with sammy boy

happened with the sanchize

I'm sure you saw the same "he is going to lead us to 10 superbowls" post that I saw during training camp. That in fact is the most SOJF behavior on here. We decide every rookie we draft is going to light the league on fire prior to them every playing a game and even if their play in training camp is up and down. 

puleease.....let's just see what he does first. 

[Dunnie]

I hope that ZW won't be an epic bust, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
We will regret passing on fields

Only of it's a coaching failure.

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[jetspenguin]

14 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Jittery on a check down, bad pass. Last pass into triple coverage into the EZ. Not much to go off of here, but the game looks fast for him right now. 

he wasnt jittery.......that camera was jittery

[UntouchableCrew]

19 hours ago, BillsFanBurner said:

Brady was unprecedented. Rodgers was unprecedented. Mahomes was unprecedented. Herbert was unprecedented. I don't know where this narrative about Allen came from, but most successful QBs had to buck a few trends to get there.

I'm not really sure I agree with any level of this analysis. Obviously your circumstances need to be unusual in order to be truly great but being undervalued during the draft evaluation process isn't the same as what we're talking about with Allen.

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Jets fans will keep hoping last year was just an anomaly but he's had a great offseason and the offense has apparently picked up right where it left off. With a full season with Diggs now under his belt the passing offense could be even better this year. There's nothing to indicate last year was a flash in the pan. And of course many QBs haven't had that arc - very very few people ever enter the realm of top 10 QBs, let alone top 5. If Wilson wants to get there he will have to work as hard as Allen did.

I'm not saying last year was a flash in the pan and I wouldn't at all be surprised if he built on last year. I'm just saying it's not a given and I don't anoint players after one good season.

[Action Zachtion]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

I meant to include please watch without the sound on.

Might have been my favorite part lol 

Hey what did people think happened on the pass at 345?  I really hope that play wasn't designed to leave the DE go unblocked and have everyone run those routes.  

[Biggs]

I look at Jets 1st round QB's about the same way I look at buying a powerball lottery ticket.  There's a short window after buying that I relish the fantasy of winning and all the cool stuff I could do with a gazzillion dollars.  When the drawing actual takes place I've already accepted the reality and don't bother to look at the numbers.

I look at the new GM and HC the same way.  Everything is great until the games are actually played.

Sadly the NFL has so hyped the draft, training camp and pre-season, that our hopes are dashed before the first quarter of the first game.

The reality is the chances that Douglas, Saleh and Lefluer sucking is very high.  The same reality exists for Zach Wilson.  Fortunately they are all tied to Zach's success.  

I choose to live in the fantasy of winning until half the season has been played.  This year the 17 game season gives the Jets an extra game before I tear up the lottery ticket. 

Zach sucked donkey balls in the Green and White practice.  I'm still shopping for private Jets and enormous Yachts.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Or we’re sick of crappy offenses and lying about what we’re seeing? 

You constantly make excuses. The Jets need Wilson to play well out of the gate. That’s why they drafted him. If the transition to BYU to league is overwhelming him then the Jets should have better planned for that.

 

NO!.  The Jets drafted Wilson to become the Jets franchise QB. That takes 3 years for a rookie QB.  This is a 2-14 team with a completely new CS and a revamped roster. What happens out of the gate is not important at all.  This is the thinking from fans and reporters that makes the scheduling of the Carolina game as game 1 so bad.  Everybody puts such disproportionate impact on the right now and not the building of the team.  If Buffalo fans and the coaching staff had the same view with Josh Allen, they would have moved on after 2018 and surely after 2019.  Don't be so myopic.

[UntouchableCrew]

2 hours ago, JiFapono said:

That last throw was straight up, Sam Darnold with the #2 jersey on.

It really was. Granted, a lot of rookies make "Sam Darnold throws" but the similarities between them are a little scary.

[shawn306]

This board is going to be such to a joy to read when the Jets start the year 0-4.

Douglass has to go

Zach Sucks

Saleh has no clue.

Talk about a complete meltdown. This will be a nuclear meltdown of epic proportions

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Hard to focus on the play with the Macho Man Randy Savage voice-over.

 

 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

6 hours ago, DannyDevito3 said:

So what are the excuses going to be for Zach?

Gase is out of the picture 

He’s got weapons 

The Jets invested into the OL

 

Um.  He's a rookie?    

[munchmemory]

34 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

This board is going to be such to a joy to read when the Jets start the year 0-4.

Douglass has to go

Zach Sucks

Saleh has no clue.

Talk about a complete meltdown. This will be a nuclear meltdown of epic proportions

[Bronx]

The truth behind the offset language in Zach Wilson's contract:

"If you suck, you will shave your cool hair off and make it shinny like mine". 

[Biggs]

4 hours ago, jetspenguin said:

or...........maybe people say the same things and put the rookie qb in the pro-bowl every time we draft one. roght out the gate in training camp he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. You have been around long enough to know this is true.

 

happened with sammy boy

happened with the sanchize

I'm sure you saw the same "he is going to lead us to 10 superbowls" post that I saw during training camp. That in fact is the most SOJF behavior on here. We decide every rookie we draft is going to light the league on fire prior to them every playing a game and even if their play in training camp is up and down. 

puleease.....let's just see what he does first. 

That's not SOJ.  That's denial.  I'm in my late 60's, if I focused on the fact that I'm probably going to be dead in less than 20 years I might want to put a gun in my mouth and end it today.  Instead I'm pretty certain I'm immortal and I'm focussed on having a good time, being happy and enjoying the ride.

I prefer to live by the immortal words of a convicted felon who was the former VP of the USA, Spiro Agnew.

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"In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H Club - the 'hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history."

Acting like you're being pragmatic and realistic is full on SOJ. The time to be wildly optimistic for a fan is always...  The time to be a nattering nabob of negativism is after you've had the last dying breath crushed out of your lungs.  

Zach is 22.  He can play into his 40's.  10 SB's is very achievable. 

[Green Ghost]

4 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

NO!.  The Jets drafted Wilson to become the Jets franchise QB. That takes 3 years for a rookie QB.  

I agree with most of what you said, except for the 3 year window comment. That’s an arbitrarily made up number with nothing to be based upon.

In my opinion this was something no one here believed or said until Sam played years one and two. “ He needs time to throw…” “he needs weapons” yeah, he did, but the Jets refused to believe what their eyes were showing them as far as his ability.

I’m guessing you’re old enough to remember the days when a team might sit a QB 4 years and let him learn, but those days are long gone now. Teams might sit a highly drafted QB a few weeks now, but once they hit the field, they’re expected to perform at a level which justifies where they were taken.

If your team or fan base thinks they need 3 years to know what they have in their young QB, they either don’t know what they’re looking at, or they’re afraid to admit they made a mistake…

[Claymation]

7 hours ago, DannyDevito3 said:

So what are the excuses going to be for Zach?

Gase is out of the picture 

He’s got weapons 

The Jets invested into the OL

 

Who's making excuses? If you had expectations that Zach was going to eclipse Namath's and Fitzpatrick's records then maybe you need to temper them. I do expect Zach to improve throughout the season, whether his improvements results into wins remain to be seen.

I am getting the impression that you believe he should be all world every time he steps on the field, if that is the case you lack the basic knowledge of player development. 

[Ian Fleming]

On 8/7/2021 at 10:02 PM, Rhg1084 said:

 

This whole franchise is based on this kids success .. if he sucks we’re back to square one 

So, what QB are we drafting with the second pick of 2022?

If Saleh’s a one and done coaching regime, could it mean LaFleur is the next coach? If so, what QB would he want?

On second thought, he’ll probably disappoint too. When does Peyton’s relative become draft eligible? 
 

Ahhh, the imponderables.

[Bronx]

12 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

I'm shocked the same people didnt blame Saleh, LaFleur etc like they blame Gase for Darnold sucking.  When will they start blaming the CS?

I blame Geno Smith's punchable face. 

[Mike135]

Too short to see over the lines?

[HawkeyeJet]

9 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Or we’re sick of crappy offenses and lying about what we’re seeing? 

You constantly make excuses. The Jets need Wilson to play well out of the gate. That’s why they drafted him. If the transition to BYU to league is overwhelming him then the Jets should have better planned for that.

 

What I would ask of anyone with this particular view point is what have you seen from Wilson that you think is abnormal for someone in his stage of development.   I am open to being convinced.  

The biggest gap on these debates to me seem to be what someone defines as an excuse versus context.  

[Matt39]

7 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

What I would ask of anyone with this particular view point is what have you seen from Wilson that you think is abnormal for someone in his stage of development.   I am open to being convinced.  

The biggest gap on these debates to me seem to be what someone defines as an excuse versus context.  

The 11 on 11 sets have seemed non competitive. 5 seconds to get rid of the ball in 7's is alarming. For a kid who never took a real big hit in college, throwing him out there in a full contact game where he's not in a red jersey if he isnt ready...he could get killed. 

[The Crusher]

11 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Or we’re sick of crappy offenses and lying about what we’re seeing? 

You constantly make excuses. The Jets need Wilson to play well out of the gate. That’s why they drafted him. If the transition to BYU to league is overwhelming him then the Jets should have better planned for that.

 

Nothing unreasonable here 

[DepressedJetsFan23]

Don’t think the practices will define his career but if it’s bad let him sit for a couple of games not the end of the world if throwing him out there before he is ready will get him killed 

[Facts]

On 8/7/2021 at 10:23 PM, Zachtomims47 said:

Ah I love when we pull out the Peyton Manning rookie season excuse. 
 

Now the season has begun!!

Like clockwork across every teams message board when they have a rookie QB…

[Jet Nut]

12 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Or we’re sick of crappy offenses and lying about what we’re seeing? 

You constantly make excuses. The Jets need Wilson to play well out of the gate. That’s why they drafted him. If the transition to BYU to league is overwhelming him then the Jets should have better planned for that.

 

No, I'm just smart enough to know that crappy offenses under Rex, Bowles and Gase have nothing to do with this CS.  That Sanchez, Fitz, Geno, etc have nothing to do with Zach Wilson.  So yes, we're all sick of those offenses that sucked but what does it have to do with today?  And who lied?  About what?  

They dont need Wilson to play well right out of the gate, they need him to keep improving as the season goes on.  No one has lied, the couple of practices he struggled, Saleh said he struggled.  The scrimmage, he said he struggled.  Hes a rookie, anyone who has watched this game shouldnt be shocked every time a rookie QB with 0 games and a week of practice time has a rough time of it

[Barkus]

12 hours ago, JiFapono said:

That last throw was straight up, Sam Darnold with the #2 jersey on.

Yes but let’s pray Zach is not making those same throws 3 years from now.