Marcellus Wiley: “fight free camp? This team has no fire”

[Lith]

11 minutes ago, Trotter said:

Exactly. Let's say something controversial so we get attention. For me let Saleh run his camp the way he sees best. All that matters is growth and hopefully wins during the season. 

Yup.  Some might argue that a team that does not have training camp fights is instilling discipline and focused on the task at hand: learning a new system and improving as players.  Which would be the narrative for the Steelers, Pats, Bucs, Packers, etc.  But its the Jets, so lets twist the narrative and show it as a negative.

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

NFL is full of troglodyte logic.

Listen to Saleh speak for :30 seconds to realize he’s functioning from a higher level of consciousness. The team is mirroring that. This has nothing to do with fire.

Lets start with logic.  

The only way to show fire and passion is to come to blows with teammates?

And it makes sense to risk injury to prove this?  

Also if it indicates fire, passion and whatever good vibes this moron can think up why did Judge end practice immediately screaming at his players because its not how his team will act on the field 

[Ghost]

Someone give Vernon Gholston a call and ask him if this is true. 

[Claymation]

Marcellus Wiley E Coyote - Super Genius

[CSNY]

Could it be that the type of player JD has drafted and signed in free agency are of high character and more mature than others. Saleh  say that fighting won’t get you a spot on the squad and what might be taught us the simple fact that what you do in practice can and will translate onto what you do on the field when it counts. Teaching them not to take a stupid 15 yard macho man personal foul penalty which can hurt the team at a very inoppurtune point in the game 

[HawkeyeJet]

FS1 at its finest.

[fullblast]

We lost 9 games by double digits last year

 

[EM31]

36 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Lets start with logic.   - Good Idea

The only way to show fire and passion is to come to blows with teammates? - No! But it is one of the ways that these things might happen/Often does happen

And it makes sense to risk injury to prove this?  -  These things are never planned. When they happen they are spontaneous and I highly doubt that the Risk analysis is part of the in -the-moment calculus

Also if it indicates fire, passion and whatever good vibes this moron can think up why did Judge end practice immediately screaming at his players because its not how his team will act on the field - Glad to have your expertise on the topic of what "morons" might be thinking. Do you especially qualified to opine in this area?

 

[BroadwayJoe12]

8 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

No need to explain yourself to him.

Thnx you for posting this video man. Because I have a Twitter account now and it's pretty fun for me and I'm going to spam his page tomorrow for 15 minutes of Mike Tyson punch out highlights lol and I'm going to make fun of him for being a grown man and preaching teammates fighting teammates. 

Thnx you for this video. It shows me how disgusting this Wiley guy is. He wants our players to fight one another. He doesn't understand that they went to playoff games together. 

He also doesn't understand 90% of NFL players don't fight their teammates during training camp. Only 10% of the sore losers do. And he was one of them 10% of punks who used to try and hurt his teammates.

He grew up in a Crips neighborhood. Violence is all he ever knew. He should be the last one preaching football violence when the game of Football takes so many kids away from violent neighborhoods.

Fk this guy..

Because spamming someone’s Twitter account is totally the action of a grown man… 

[legler82]

6 hours ago, ZacharyWilson said:

There was a fight, albeit brief at the practice I went to. It was Cam Clark and someone else.

There usually always is.  Too much testosterone and heat.  That’s a combustible combination.

[Jets0712]

If I remember correctly. Jets were penalized a lot for (unsportsmanlike conduct penalties) last year. Maybe that means this year we will have a disciplined team that won’t prolong other teams drives, leading to unnecessary points. Just a thought


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[Icer]

I'll take things that have no correlation for 100, Alex

[Defense Wins Championships]

I remember when Geno Smith got his jaw broke. Is that what you guys want? For Zach to get beat up? 

I bet most teams who have "training camp fights" have awful seasons that same year too. 

[JetsFanatic]

9 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

If there was a fight, Saleh had no control of the team. If there is no fight it’s a bad sign. ? 

[JoJoTownsell1]

I won't be happy until I hear that Zack Wilson is buried under a pile of lineman during a fight. 

[peebag]

1 hour ago, Biggs said:

Could be a sign of Low T.

[Jets0712]

I'll take things that have no correlation for 100, Alex

Eh.. fights just don’t happen outta the blue there’s generally something that may have triggered a fight. Normally on the field 1 st.


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[GreenFish]

8 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

I remember when Geno Smith got his jaw broke. Is that what you guys want? For Zach to get beat up? 

I bet most teams who have "training camp fights" have awful seasons that same year too. 

Ik Enempali with the passion!!! Ik Enampali career sacks...Zero.

You never hear about the Donald’s of the world getting into camp fights. A likely better measure of passion is how much work do you put in when nobody is looking.

Guys like Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Aaron Donald constantly work/worked on their craft. More than camp fights, what I want to hear is that guys are staying after practice when the coaches are not around. This is not perfect either but fighting seems to be reserved for the bottom of the roster guys.

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Ik Enempali with the passion!!! Ik Enampali career sacks...Zero.

You never hear about the Donald’s of the world getting into camp fights. A likely better measure of passion is how much work do you put in when nobody is looking.

Guys like Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Aaron Donald constantly work/worked on their craft. More than camp fights, what I want to hear is that guys are staying after practice when the coaches are not around. This is not perfect either but fighting seems to be reserved for the bottom of the roster guys.

Not to ruin your point but Donald was in a huge fight the other day lol

[Matt39]

Not to belabor my pads commentary, but fights aren’t going to happen when the majority of practices are in shorts. Jets have gone light on hitting/tackling. Maybe their sports science guys made the case for it. I guess we’ll see when the real bullets start flying.

[GreenFish]

11 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Not to ruin your point but Donald was in a huge fight the other day lol

Haha. Whelp there goes my point. Oops. Should be interesting to see how this develops over the year. The Giants and Jets are taking too very different approaches. Jets are approaching practice from a teaching  perspective while the Giants are harnessing their inner beast. Both are expected to be bottom 10 teams. Should be interesting to see if either team over achieves.

[Asymmetrical]

Have the jets been lighter on padded practice than other teams? I thought that there was a CBA limitation on the amount of padded practices and specifically back to back practices in pads. 

[kevinc855]

Big fan of Saleh

BUT hard to deny a small kernel of truth here. Fights are usually a sign of guys competing for a spot, getting their competitive juice's up. Never saw it as a negative thing as long as it dont get out of hand. Just my opinion. 

[Warfish]

He could be right, he could be wrong.

We could be very well disciplined.

Or we could, in fact, lack fire.

Could also just be lucky, tbqh.

Only real games will tell us which is true.

[joewilly12]

I value more what Wiley E Coyote says 

 

 

 

 

[BigRy56]

I get what he’s saying but I’m pretty sure Adam Gase had guys getting into it at camp and his teams were as lifeless as I’ve ever witnessed…. So yeah 

[Trotter]

Wiley is tryin to send a narrative that Saleh is soft and more about loving his players then building a football team. To me that is so far from the truth and evident by his past as a high level coach in this league. This is not a college guy getting his first experience in the pros. He does in fact have a track record although not as a head coach.

Best course is to ignore most of the media. Rely on the eye test as we progress through preseason games and into the regular season. If something is amiss, you will see it pretty quickly.

This coach is going to be fine and if some of our rookies and 1-2 year players can play - we will surprise alot of these media experts. Just don't expect them to admit that because the usual story is the Jets are incapable of doing things the correct way and winning. Some of that is warranted by our past - but not in the case off this regime unless they prove otherwise.  

[JustInFudge]

These talks shows are lowest form of human entertainment.  It’s shocking that people watch this sh*t.  It hurts my brain. 

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, JiFapono said:

These talks shows are lowest form of human entertainment.  It’s shocking that people watch this sh*t.  It hurts my brain. 

Agreed.  There is just too many hours of programming to fill everyday on these networks.  Too few quality talking heads out there.  

[Kolchak]

3 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

These talks shows are lowest form of human entertainment.  It’s shocking that people watch this sh*t.  It hurts my brain. 

That's saying something when 'The Housewives of ......' are still on the air. 

[Awesumtenor]

10 hours ago, Larz said:

Giant’s are going to be so fire lol

And that type of fire will be “dumpster”…

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

 

Jets Nut is 100% correct. As he pointed out, Judge didn't appreciate it at all. Risking player injury for this utter stupidity is frankly bad news. Just as any other lack of discipline and focus is seen as a liability. Not exactly rocket science, but it obviously is to dumb clucks like Marcus Wiley.

[Defense Wins Championships]

• Did Joe Montana and Jerry Rice ever fist fight each other? 

• Did Vince Wilfork ever beat up Tom Brady? 

• Did the most classy football player ever #20 Barry Sanders ever get into a fist fight after scoring a practice TD or did he just give the football to the TC ref and walk back to the huddle?

• Did Curtis Martin ever get into a fist fight with Victor Green or get into a fist fight vs. Wayne Chrebet over who got the rock on 3rd down?

• Did Peyton Manning ever have to fight Bob Sanders? 

• Did Joe Namath ever get beat up by one of his own teammates?

So why should the Jets players fight each other when they go to NY Knicks/NY Islanders Playoff games together and actually, like one another?

[fusionCA]

33 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Big fan of Saleh

BUT hard to deny a small kernel of truth here. Fights are usually a sign of guys competing for a spot, getting their competitive juice's up. Never saw it as a negative thing as long as it dont get out of hand. Just my opinion. 

your opinion is always to be against the JD regime and accept any critic from the media as gospel 

how about you start a fight with your fellow co worker , it will get your juice flowing for sure 

 

you are not tired of it? you dont really like this team so go be a fan of the teams your beloved Adam Gase  and Mike Maccagnan work at 

[Embrace the Suck]

How many SB teams has he been on during his illustrious career? A guy with two seasons out of ten with double digit sacks isn't the guy I look to for professional critique or as one who sets the standard.