Seahawks are “exasperated” with Jamal Adams

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, Lith said:

Just saw this from CJ Mosley's instagram. 

Little shot at his former teammate?

 

No one actually likes Jamal Adams.  No teammate says a good thing about him.  Only his Twitter followers and some duped media members.  

[JustInFudge]

Just now, Dunnie said:

The bickering in this thread reminds me of the Golden Girls ... or That horrible Jersey Shore reality tv show.

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80 is Snookie and Blanche all rolled up into one.  Forgive him, could you imagine having to handle all those emotions? 

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, Icer said:

The lack of coverage and being sent off the edge 15 times a game makes sense now

If Seattle does not pay him, they'll use him up in this role like the Steelers used up Le'Veon Bell.  When you don't care about a player's future well-being, right or wrong, teams will use him in the most destructive manner possible. 

Seattle has said they're going to blitz him less but that'll only be if they hand him the shiny new contract.  A contract which could still happen but its hilarious how long this is taking.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, DannyDevito3 said:

I still really like Jamal and appreciate his contributions to the Jets. 

[Maynard13]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

- The Prez

lol

The Impeached/Ex Prez  LMAO

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Biggs said:

I think he is overplaying his hand.  He was hurt all last year and should probably have been shut down.  He had his shoulder repaired this offseason.  The wear and tear is a huge concern.  If he isn't in the box and putting pressure on his value goes way down.  

That's his problem in a nutshell.  Highly productive in the box safety like a highly productive running back is a high wear and tear diminshing return position.  He's best years may already be behind him.

You can make the argument in a league where defensive backs have been nutered by rules pressure is the best way to slow down NFL offenses.  Jamal's value is pressure on the QB not coverage.  

Jamal is going to get paid based on pressure.  If he's body can't hold up or Seattle wants to scheme differently he's value goes down.

Budda Baker is probably the best all around safety in the NFC west right now. He got a monster deal that is allready in the rear view mirror of what Jamal got offered.  

Jamal is overplaying his hand but Seattle is in a box becuase they overpaid to get him and obviously believe in a division with Murray, Stafford and Garrapollo/Lance, they need to pressure the QB and have put a premium on getting a deal with him.  From outside it seems crazy that Jamal didn't blink but we have seen teams draw a line in the sand and move it all the time. 

Like I said, I think ultimately they'll come to an agreement, even if Sea throws in something else meaningless so he technically got something more out of turning down their last offer.

Likewise, even if technically overpaying - let's say, for the sake of argument, internally they think he's really worth $13-14MM not $17.5MM.  The cap is growing to $210MM next year and Seattle's FO has a PR interest in not looking like full dumbasses, trading for a player who may hold out every summer & sow discord in the locker room when the "leader" angle is supposed to be part of the appeal. To save face? Yeah I think even in such a situation they over pay by $3-4MM/yr and pretend they're thrilled beyond words over having him. 

In the end, if they only tag him once after this year, it's not the worst thing in the world for them. He was a high 1st rounder and they gave up that value to get 4 years of him in his prime at below-market rate (2 lower 1st rounders, and not even in the same year). Then if he does leave via FA after 2022, they'd be due a comp pick. Not what they wanted, but it could've been worse, all things considered.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

He had 6.5 sacks in 14 games with the Jets and 9.5 in 12 games with the Seahawks. I think a pass rushing specialist is where his value rests and Pete knows that. So  I think 9ish sack years will be pretty common for Adams. 

And while I agree, that some of his empty sacks aren't that helpful they are more helpful than having him, on 3rd down, try to keep up with Elijah Moore in the open field. 

90+ blitz attempts this year is certainly possible.  9+ sacks not so much.  Offenses will be ready for him.  Trust in that.  This league adjusts very quickly.  He'll need to go up against some weak QB's to have that happen again.  Playing in a division with some fun QB's who will be tough to sack that's a tall order.

And his inability to cover any shifty slot receiver whatsoever does not somehow make it smart to blitz him that much.  They aren't mutually exclusive points.  If they do pay him, they'll need to blitz him LESS, not more, to protect his health and have those blitz attempts be more meaningful and efficient.  Blitzing all day every day won't work.  He's missed 6 games the last 2 seasons because of too many blitzes.  Undersized WLB's aren't meant to battle LT's and RT's all game like that.  And when he blitzes and doesn't get to the QB, it leaves huge holes in the pass coverage.  If he continues to suck so badly in coverage, ah well, they'll have to take their lumps.  Shift him to TE's and RB's exclusively.  Do what you have to do. 

Hence the Catch-22.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

No reason not to ..guy was a beast for us ... but I sure as hell am glad Seattle has to deal w/ the diva baggage side of Adams.

Dude is a baller and consummate SS/OLB hybrid...haters gonna hate ... but the dude puts in maximum effort every play.

Just when I thought you'd turned a corner.  lol, "haters".  He deserves every bit of hate he gets.  He's a fake tough guy who hid under a table during a fight at LSU.  He suffers minor injuries and sits out multiple games due to it.  He doesn't care about the team and only himself.  We have every reason to hate him just as Seattle fans are starting to hate him too.  Literally the only thing to like about him is "effort", but much of that effort is expended dancing and writing Twitter posts to his legion of misguided idiot fans.

Its laughable to think that anyone truly likes Jamal Adams anymore but I suppose there are always a few.  Have fun with that!

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Everyone dunking on 80.

Name names or leave the discussion.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Want to join the list of narcissists who are like Jamal?  I gladly will.  You've been consistently anti-Jamal so I guess you're just being anti-80 to have a little fun.  Trying to eat your cake and have it too I suppose.  Enjoy, I guess?

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Name names or leave the discussion.  

"everyone" is specifically inclusive.

[Jetsfan80]

50 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Cool. I never said otherwise.  I applauded JD for the trade.  Total no brainer for the Jets.

I was responding to that weird wrongly placed victory lap 80 just tried to pull when in fact, everything that has happened proved he was wrong and I was right.  80's whole stance was, Adams sucks and isnt worth it, will never get that deal, will never be worth this that and the other...and yet he yielded 2 first rounders and is now being offer the richest deal for a safety in the league.  Meanwhile, the Jets went 2-14 and he made the playoffs.  He'll do it again this year while the Jets watch at home again.  So, Jamal won because he got everything he wanted and now he's just negotiating.  This hit piece was stupid and doesnt change the facts. 

In conclusion, I was right and 80 was once again, wrong.

LMAO and now a downvote from DWC!  This is getting soooo awesome. 

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

"everyone" is specifically inclusive.

OK.  Name names.  

You know, just because I suck at Mafia and am wrong about many/most of my football takes doesn't mean I don't deserve a W and you silly trio of Mafia gods don't deserve an L from time to time.  Consider me a blind squirrel if it helps your precious ego. 

And yes, I went there, because we do play Mafia and all like each other generally.  I won't make a habit of it but it needed to be said.  I'm the little brother everyone picks on and mostly I'm cool with it, its my place but here I'll take a stand.

Now go away.  The folks who have been right about Jamal all along are talking and enjoying the victory lap.  

[JustInFudge]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

LMAO and now a downvote from DWC!  This is getting soooo awesome. 

Dont be flattered, he just down voted 2 weeks worth of posts.  lol

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

OK.  Name names.  

You know, just because I suck at Mafia and am wrong all the time doesn't mean I don't deserve a W and you Mafia gods don't deserve an L from time to time.  

Now go away.  

"EVERYONE"

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

"EVERYONE"

Thought so.  OK buddy.  

JiF leads 80, 115-1.  

[Jetsfan80]

47 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong.  Its happened once and I was like, man, I was wrong. 

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, JiFapono said:

In conclusion, I was right and 80 was once again, wrong.

I mean, even when you 2 completely disagree, history says odds are still high that you're both somehow wrong.

[Jetsfan80]

27 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I mean, even when you 2 completely disagree, history says odds are still high that you're both somehow wrong.

On this we are diametrically opposed and thus its not possible for BOTH of us to be wrong, good sir.  Pick a side!

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Name names or leave the discussion.  

I did: everyone.

Stop the message board derp police appropriation!!!

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Want to join the list of narcissists who are like Jamal?  I gladly will.  You've been consistently anti-Jamal so I guess you're just being anti-80 to have a little fun.  Trying to eat your cake and have it too I suppose.  Enjoy, I guess?

I never liked Jamal. Liking him has nothing to do with this.

The article isn’t proving you right, and you’re crowing like a pinhead… while trending toward that type of poster that has no clue we’re laughing at them, not with them.

So, if you don’t appreciate me having a laugh, perhaps pipe down.

[Integrity28]

[Integrity28]

[Adoni Beast]

I’m still waiting for Jamal Adams to “change the game forever.” (paraphrasing whatever bullsh*t he used to say)…

Most people listening to Adams speak:

[Integrity28]

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Just when I thought you'd turned a corner.  lol, "haters"

 

Jifapono vs. JF80.

[EM31]

2 hours ago, JiFapono said:

Cool. I never said otherwise.  I applauded JD for the trade.  Total no brainer for the Jets.

I was responding to that weird wrongly placed victory lap 80 just tried to pull when in fact, everything that has happened proved he was wrong and I was right.  80's whole stance was, Adams sucks and isnt worth it, will never get that deal, will never be worth this that and the other...and yet he yielded 2 first rounders and is now being offer the richest deal for a safety in the league.  Meanwhile, the Jets went 2-14 and he made the playoffs.  He'll do it again this year while the Jets watch at home again.  So, Jamal won because he got everything he wanted and now he's just negotiating.  This hit piece was stupid and doesnt change the facts. 

In conclusion, I was right and 80 was once again, wrong.

Possibly a bit of both.

I agree with '80 that he was not and is not worth even top-10 Safety money because of his liability to the team in coverage.  But setting that aside for the moment Seattle disagreed with this viewpoint emphatically when they gave us 2 #1s, a #3, and a serviceable safety in return for Adams.  At that point I think it is clear that the Seahawks brains trust bought into the hype hook line and sinker.

Pause for a moment to consider that they almost certainly expected to break the bank on his new contract given the public position of Adams and the Jets up until that time.

Now they are a year in and they find themselves stuck.  I think they have had 12 months up close and personal and I think they probably agree that he is not worth anywhere near to $20M per year but what are they to do?  They already made their bets in draft capital last year.

I think they are steering a very careful middle ground here.  They make and offer which makes him the highest paid safely in the league but which they know he going to turn down because he wants QB type or top DE type money.  This way the buyers remorse can play out with them having a fig leaf.... "Well we made the offer but he was too unreasonable".  The real key he is what any other team in the league would be willing to offer and I honestly doubt that even hits $12M/Year over length or $16M for a single season.  Even before you get into his tweeting habits I think his performances on the field have destroyed his value.

[JustInFudge]

30 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Possibly a bit of both.

I agree with '80 that he was not and is not worth even top-10 Safety money because of his liability to the team in coverage.  But setting that aside for the moment Seattle disagreed with this viewpoint emphatically when they gave us 2 #1s, a #3, and a serviceable safety in return for Adams.  At that point I think it is clear that the Seahawks brains trust bought into the hype hook line and sinker.

Pause for a moment to consider that they almost certainly expected to break the bank on his new contract given the public position of Adams and the Jets up until that time.

Now they are a year in and they find themselves stuck.  I think they have had 12 months up close and personal and I think they probably agree that he is not worth anywhere near to $20M per year but what are they to do?  They already made their bets in draft capital last year.

I think they are steering a very careful middle ground here.  They make and offer which makes him the highest paid safely in the league but which they know he going to turn down because he wants QB type or top DE type money.  This way the buyers remorse can play out with them having a fig leaf.... "Well we made the offer but he was too unreasonable".  The real key he is what any other team in the league would be willing to offer and I honestly doubt that even hits $12M/Year over length or $16M for a single season.  Even before you get into his tweeting habits I think his performances on the field have destroyed his value.

You're saying he wouldn't be worth paying as the 10th best safety in the league?  That would be around 9/10 mil a year?  Hmmm, not sure I agree and it would probably be based on scheme/team situations, etc. but again, not our headache but the reality is, the facts support my stance despite this weirdo world victory dance 80 is putting on.

Who knows what will happen, maybe Adams accepts their current offer, what's happening now is negotiating and this was clearly a hit piece article on Adams.  Not saying he doesnt deserve it either, it just is what it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JustInFudge]

2 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

I mean, even when you 2 completely disagree, history says odds are still high that you're both somehow wrong.

@Jetsfan80 he does this much better than you.

[JustInFudge]

55 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I never liked Jamal. Liking him has nothing to do with this.

The article isn’t proving you right, and you’re crowing like a pinhead… while trending toward that type of poster that has no clue we’re laughing at them, not with them.

So, if you don’t appreciate me having a laugh, perhaps pipe down.

[ZachEY]

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

21 hours ago, Facts said:

Hahahaha, enjoy Seattle!

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/15/exasperated-seahawks-plan-to-let-jamal-adams-finish-rookie-deal-tag-him-twice-if-need-be/

[JohnnyLV]

Isn't the argument  over guarantees and not yearly salary?

JA is a me first double and a good but overrated safety.

I did enjoy him acting like a fanboy in Sam's first TC

 

 

[Defense Wins Championships]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

No one actually likes Jamal Adams.  No teammate says a good thing about him.  Only his Twitter followers and some duped media members.  

Him and Marcus Maye are best friends and talk every day over the phone (Marcus Maye's words, not mine). 

Can you quote any of Jamal Adams teammates talking bad about him? 

I'm A+ thankful we received Alijah Vera-Tucker (LG) and 2022's soon to be 1st round pick for him but let's not create lies in order to bash Jamal...

Can you quote Jamal's teamates talking bad about him? No. You can't. Can you?

All smiles around Jamal Adams. His teammates seem to love him.

@Jetsfan80

Can you quote and then post any of your Jamal Adams (imo) false claims? 

 

[Jet2020]

I wish we had a Jamal Adams each year to trade away for two firsts plus more. One Jamal is just not enough.