freestater Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 20 hours ago, ZacharyWilson said: I always love the threads where the true tough guys/ zen masters show up to tell someone how upset they should be. You can tell who they are by their reactions to this post. Dick Hammer? DICK HAMMER!?! YOU BRING US DICK HAMMER!!!?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: Very insightful. Except over the past 4 years, Lawson had the same number of sacks as the almighty Jordan Jenkins, so the evidence would suggest what was coming from the ridiculous hype train some were riding on about him was never going to come to fruition in the first place, even if healthy. Judging a players value by sacks is just ridiculous - He was among the best in the league in pressuring the QB. And it’s a lazy convenient critique to say he never would have stepped up now that he doesn’t have the chance to. Go and check out the reaction Bengals fans when Lawson signed with us. Devastated. But yeah act like he’s nothing more than a glorified Jordan Jenkins because you read his stat sheet on NFL.com. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, freestater said: Dick Hammer? DICK HAMMER!?! YOU BRING US DICK HAMMER!!!?!? Sam's Grandpa?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: But you obviously have to get its not about what he’s done it’s about what he was expected/projected to do for us, in this system, in 2021. No one knows, or ever will know, how he’ll actually do of course, but all signs were very positive based on camp reports. Obviously you weren’t as bullish on him as most based on that information, which I can understand. But it’s the only information that was relevant heading into the season. Everything he’d done, or failed to do, in Cincinnati is kind of irrelevant in this light. His value this year was based purely on his expected importance and performance to this team in 2021. So mocking those for calling this injury a travesty makes even less sense. Many were high on him (including the Jets), some were not, but the ones high on him had more recent and relevant info to support that optimism. It's still little more than conjecture that he was going to suddenly buck the trend of his entire pro career to date. I don't expect people to be happy with this news, and I certainly wasn't, but that in no way makes it a team-crippling situation either. He simply happened to be this year's offseason sweetheart, which when it comes to the Jets probably should've been the first hint something was going to go very wrong, but also doesn't make him a different player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bleedin Green Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Irish Jet said: Judging a players value by sacks is just ridiculous - He was among the best in the league in pressuring the QB. And it’s a lazy convenient critique to say he never would have stepped up now that he doesn’t have the chance to. Go and check out the reaction Bengals fans when Lawson signed with us. Devastated. But yeah act like he’s nothing more than a glorified Jordan Jenkins because you read his stat sheet on NFL.com. How quickly the tune has changed, considering you gave nothing more than a mindlessly idiotic response when I specifically spoke to his pressure rate, and the flaws of blindly looking at it in vacuum and suddenly granting it far greater significance than ever before once it fits an agenda, while adamantly disregarding all other pedestrian numbers that don't fit the narrative. Yet here you are, doing exactly that, and completely proving the point in its entirety. But hey, I'm certainly left very impressed by your own in-depth knowledge of crap other people said on reddit as the basis for your evaluations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Judging a players value by sacks is just ridiculous - He was among the best in the league in pressuring the QB. And it’s a lazy convenient critique to say he never would have stepped up now that he doesn’t have the chance to. Go and check out the reaction Bengals fans when Lawson signed with us. Devastated. But yeah act like he’s nothing more than a glorified Jordan Jenkins because you read his stat sheet on NFL.com. Hopefully you shared the same opinion about Leo, when he was here. I agree with you. If you force bad throws because of pressure, that almost as important as the sack itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Rock Bottom would be we go 6-11, miss out on Sam Howell, Wilson looks meh “he needs weapons” wash, rinse repeat of the last 30 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 I wonder if the Ghost of Dick Hammer will return to post on JI to offer his opinions on his grandson’s departure and Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet hustle Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 5:18 PM, Bronx said: No, this is rock bottom! I guess I need to clarify the pic, stop whining calling this a rock bottom situation when people risk their lives to survive real life chaos. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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