sec101row23 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Far more likely they pick up a body from another team when final cuts come down. Trading for Chandler Jones right now seems like desperate move for a team that doesn’t have realistic playoff opportunities, so would signing some vet who is still on the street. Besides, you already have Vinny Curry coming back early in season, how many aging players do you need? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 6 hours ago, AFJF said: Do you try to trade for a pass rusher if you're Joe D? No. Quote What would you do? I stand pat with the team I built. I most definitely do not trade future draft assets for temporary spot fillers in a year where I simply do not believe we will compete for a Super Bowl. If we were one "Lawson" away from a serious Title run, then I'd sell the farm to replace that Lawson. That's not where we are. Let Saleh coach the young assets he has, and see how he does. At most, I'd be ok snagging someone else's young-with-upside/practice squadder camp cut on a low-dollar, short-term deal late in the Preseason, should such a body become available. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 Glad to see most fans here on the no side of the argument. Losing Lawson is a major blow, but this is a building year, not a contending year. No reason to burn future assets. They have developmental pass rushers on the roster and they’re gonna have to step up. Ditto the young CBs, whose jobs just got harder, too. Jets were always going to be busy on waiver wire transactions once all the cuts started coming in, this just added a position that they’ll be looking at hard. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 No. Not giving up draft capital when we are building the correct way. Going with Huff and Hamiclar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 This isnt a team that needs to make a move like that. The loss hurts, but the team is too young to trade assets right now. This is where Saleh needs to walk over to Hamilcar Reshad and tell him that he has been given the opportunity of a lifetime and that its time to step up. Im not sure what this kid can bring to the table as a rookie, but he had 14 sacks as a junior and was a possible second round pick - hes got the ability to be a speed rusher in this defense and it will be interesting to see if he can seize the opportunity (same for Huff). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, NamathToCaster said: I am pulling for Carl and know he has the drive to make a comeback, but Joe Douglas took a risk with Carl's prior history and unfortunately it did not work out this season. Up until now, it was looking like a genius move to acquire him. Maybe a learning experience for Joe. Most FA's come with their share of risk , whether it be injury, personality or inflated salary demands which is why their previous teams did not resign them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Warfish said: No. I stand pat with the team I built. I most definitely do not trade future draft assets for temporary spot fillers in a year where I simply do not believe we will compete for a Super Bowl. If we were one "Lawson" away from a serious Title run, then I'd sell the farm to replace that Lawson. That's not where we are. Let Saleh coach the young assets he has, and see how he does. At most, I'd be ok snagging someone else's young-with-upside/practice squadder camp cut on a low-dollar, short-term deal late in the Preseason, should such a body become available. Agreed. The one spot where we have a lot of depth, including a mix of vets and young guys is the DL: Quinnen, Rankins, Huff, Curry, JFM, Foley, Shepherd, Phillips, Hamilcar, Zuniga. Sucks that we lost our best pass rusher, but thats still a pretty good DL group. I am excited about Bryce Huff -- really want to see what he does in year 2. We won't be as good as we would have been without Lawson, but as you said, we are not a playoff team anyway. Lets see what the other guys can do. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 no way. besides someone will get cut if we need a body. were not going anywhere this season. never was. no need to trade our future for a player this year. since the draft i always thought we were a 5 maybe 6 win team. the 2022 draft is our last pick in the top 10. last chance to get a really good stand out player which could make the difference between a SB or just being a team that makes the playoffs but never goes anywhere. 2022 is the year i expect us to take off. .... i hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 We have 2 firsts and 2 seconds next year. Maybe draft 2 edge guys out of those 4 picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Olivier Vernon on 1yr deal we’ve got the cap for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: This is a 5 win team and they'll be a QB or two that comes out of nowhere to move to the top of the board too. Jets will have their pick of a top 4 or 5 position player. Now that this has been accepted you might actually have some fun watching a young team who is mediocre but is also growing into themselves. This year we find out if any of these CBs really can ball, try to gel an oline, see what we have in the WR room, watch a fun group of RBs, and maybe win a few games while being competently competitive in general. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 56 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Trading for Chandler Jones right now seems like desperate move for a team that doesn’t have realistic playoff opportunities, It's also a desperate move for fans with delusions of grandeur for the upcoming season. I loved the Lawson signing. That being said losing our most viable pass rusher will hopefully cut down on the misplaced exuberant excitement preseason and thus the inevitable hyperbolic crys of woe during the season when things are not all flowers and rainbows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Lith said: Agreed. The one spot where we have a lot of depth, including a mix of vets and young guys is the DL: Quinnen, Rankins, Huff, Curry, JFM, Foley, Shepherd, Phillips, Hamilcar, Zuniga. Sucks that we lost our best pass rusher, but thats still a pretty good DL group. I am excited about Bryce Huff -- really want to see what he does in year 2. We won't be as good as we would have been without Lawson, but as you said, we are not a playoff team anyway. Lets see what the other guys can do. This is a great opportunity for Hamilcar IMO. Will be interesting to see how he performs with the added reps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Saleh had the same thing happen to him last year losing Bosa, ironically against us. He still managed to have a very good defense, so there will be no panic happening. I hope that they give Zuniga and Hamilcar the spot, on a rotational basis, and let them play. Tell them it's their job and just go get the QB. We'll find out one way or another if these guys can play. Have plenty of draft capital to fix the problem in coming years, so we have absolutely nothing to lose. 100% upside, zero downside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: This is a great opportunity for Hamilcar IMO. Will be interesting to see how he performs with the added reps. The guy I am most optimistic about is Huff. I thnk he can be a 10+ sack guy. He has been playing aginst 1s and by most accounts has looked good in practice and was solid in the Giant game. Really hope he steps up in year 2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I think the pressure up the middle will be much more valuable than what an edge rusher can provide. For the edge rusher to not get constant double teams you need that up the middle push. I can't see teams being able to deal with our DT's in one on one situations for very long and we do have good depth across the line. Putting that pressure up the middle will let guys like Huff/Myers and eventually Curry get more one on one situations. Don't get me wrong Lawson would have created matchup nightmares bringing the question... Who do you double team ? But if a guys like Huff and Myers can take advantage of single coverage I don't think it will be all that bad at all. If an injury was going to happen to any position group on this football team best it happen in the area of the most depth. The team will move on and maybe at the mid point of the season we will be talking about all the pressure the Jets front is creating rather than worrying about Carl Lawson. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 8 hours ago, AFJF said: Chandler Jones wants out of Arizona. Jets have a ton of cap space, lots of picks and just lost Lawson. What would you do? For Chandler Jones? At 31 coming off injury? No. Not him but like JD always says, you take the call. I wouldnt outright say no to trading for a pass rusher, just has to be the right player and deal. That said, I think they'd be foolish not to go sign Vernon, Griffin or Beasley...or all 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I think this is the time to see what we have with the kids. JFM is probably not the wide-9 DE type, but I think he can pick up some of those snaps and I want to see what we have in Hamilcar and Huff. Time for Zuniga to step up and there are always guys physical guys cut that might fit the bill (like when we picked up Basham and Willis). One thing to remember is that they also have Vinny Curry and I think he is supposed to be ready by week 2. He's not Lawson, but he is probably similar to some of the guys people are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Bryce Huff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Next years draft will have a nice group of edge rushers. Even with a healthy Lawson, I would expect a first round Edge. Cant have too many of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, sec101row23 said: Far more likely they pick up a body from another team when final cuts come down. Trading for Chandler Jones right now seems like desperate move for a team that doesn’t have realistic playoff opportunities, so would signing some vet who is still on the street. Besides, you already have Vinny Curry coming back early in season, how many aging players do you need? We can just suck and pick Thibodeaux in the top 3 (probably going to happen anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Next years draft will have a nice group of edge rushers. Even with a healthy Lawson, I would expect a first round Edge. Cant have too many of them. The Tom Coughlin Giants approve of this message.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: For Chandler Jones? At 31 coming off injury? No. Not him but like JD always says, you take the call. I wouldnt outright say no to trading for a pass rusher, just has to be the right player and deal. That said, I think they'd be foolish not to go sign Vernon, Griffin or Beasley...or all 3. Chandler Jones? Pfff, who needs him, Jets passed on him for Coples (LMAO). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, maury77 said: We can just suck and pick Thibodeaux in the top 3 (probably going to happen anyway). The hope is that we see QBs occupy most the top 5 selections, not sure this QB class will get that many into the top 5 though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Lurker89 said: Now that this has been accepted you might actually have some fun watching a young team who is mediocre but is also growing into themselves. This year we find out if any of these CBs really can ball, try to gel an oline, see what we have in the WR room, watch a fun group of RBs, and maybe win a few games while being competently competitive in general. I was always on the 5 win team path this year. I honestly don't think losing Lawson makes a terrible difference for this young team. The team has a tremendous amount of potential but that potential takes time to flourish. I just don't think it matters anymore. I'm fully bought into the Jets are cursed mentality so it really doesn't matter what they do. I'll watch because I need to do something while I'm drinking on Sunday but never winning a Super Bowl is now a certainty in my mind. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Cut ups of Huff from last year. Gonna miss Lawson, but excited to see what Huff can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lith said: Cut ups of Huff from last year. Gonna miss Lawson, but excited to see what Huff can do. I hope he gets Cam again multiple times this year ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lith said: Cut ups of Huff from last year. Gonna miss Lawson, but excited to see what Huff can do. I hope for his sake he doesn't play too well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 No. We are a developmental team and we already had hard cuts to consider. We can now likely keep both Marshall and Shepherd. Bringing in a vet is first of all, NOT Saleh's style- he says this over and over and over and no lone listens, and second it would cost us a young player and third it does not really impact our ability to contend, that is really all on Zach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Danielle Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 No way. Stand pat. This is a rebuilding year, not a contending year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I'm all for supporting the defense via a trade if it would help the Jets win a couple more games and push Zach into the playoffs in year 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 i think unless saleh is seeing something may be improved by adding a vet i don't think so. there's no point in bringing in the older players and it's doubtful that any of the better young guys will spring free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 hours ago, FidelioJet said: I was always on the 5 win team path this year. I honestly don't think losing Lawson makes a terrible difference for this young team. The team has a tremendous amount of potential but that potential takes time to flourish. I just don't think it matters anymore. I'm fully bought into the Jets are cursed mentality so it really doesn't matter what they do. I'll watch because I need to do something while I'm drinking on Sunday but never winning a Super Bowl is now a certainty in my mind. Soon you will join me in my enjoyment of this tragic comedy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 We don’t have a kicker. He’s hoping to win but not at the cost of a six year foundation rebuild using draft picks and smart free agent signings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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