Defense Wins Championships Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 After Carl Lawson's injury one of these three will 100% become drafted as a Jet. EDGE KAYVON THIBODEAUX, OREGON "Thibodeaux’s 2020 campaign started slowly, but he turned on the jets down the stretch and looked like an elite edge defender over his final four games (out of seven on the year). Thibodeaux was one of the highest-graded players at his position over that span, boasting an 87.2 PFF grade that included a 12-pressure performance against USC and Alijah Vera-Tucker — a first-round pick in 2021 — in the Pac-12 championship game. If you were to build a perfect college pass-rusher among those playing next year, Thibodeaux’s get-off and bend would be precisely what you'd want. He is an elite talent who is bound for a monstrous 2021. Be sure to circle the calendar for Week 2 when he goes up against the best tackle duo in college football — Thayer Munford and Nicholas Petit-Frere — as the Ducks take on the Buckeyes in Columbus, Ohio". EDGE NIK BONITTO, OKLAHOMA "Bonitto might be the most underrated player in all of college football. The rush-end led all FBS edge defenders in pass-rush grade (93.6), pass-rush win rate (28%) and pressure rate generated (25.7%) in 2020. Among all Power Five edge defenders since we began grading college seven years ago, Bonitto ranks in the top five in all three metrics. Bonitto’s explosiveness and athleticism caused headaches for every offensive tackle he faced, and no lineman succeeded in shutting him down in 2020. His lowest win rate in a single game this past year sat at 17.6% — a pretty solid day for most FBS edge rushers". EDGE DEMARVIN LEAL, TEXAS A&M "Leal has a lot of power with his 6-foot-4, 290-pound frame, and it showed routinely this past season. He notched an 80.0-plus grade as both a run defender and a pass-rusher in 2020, something only four other Power Five edge defenders accomplished this past year. Leal displayed improved hand usage and a deadly push-pull. He flashed exactly that in his performance against Florida — which earned him a career-high PFF grade. He was a consistent performer in 2020 with a single-game PFF grade north of 70.0 in nine of his 10 outings, which led him to an 88.3 PFF grade for the season. Leal may be 290 pounds, but he sure doesn’t play like it with his athleticism and twitch. Needless to say, he is clearly living up to his five-star recruiting status". With two 1st round picks one of these 3 pass rushers will line up @ 4-3 DE for us come 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 This draft has 5-7 potential first round edge rushers which is a great fit for what we will need and how JD wants to build the team. This is also including that Thibideaux is a top 3 pick (barring serious injury) and I dont think we will be picking high enough to get him. Drake Jackson USC Myjai Sanders Cincinnati Zach Harrison Ohio State George Karlafitis Purdue Kingsley Enagbare South Carolina Really matches up well with what we need going forward. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 8:31 AM, BCJet said: This draft has 5-7 potential first round edge rushers which is a great fit for what we will need and how JD wants to build the team. This is also including that Thibideaux is a top 3 pick (barring serious injury) and I dont think we will be picking high enough to get him. Challenge Accepted 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Probably not Nik Bonitto. Most likely George Karlaftis, he seems right. I want DeMarvin Leal, he’s just so impressive but he’s probably gonna end up in the interior and be the next Aaron Donald. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 8:31 AM, BCJet said: This draft has 5-7 potential first round edge rushers which is a great fit for what we will need and how JD wants to build the team. This is also including that Thibideaux is a top 3 pick (barring serious injury) and I dont think we will be picking high enough to get him. Drake Jackson USC Myjai Sanders Cincinnati Zach Harrison Ohio State George Karlafitis Purdue Kingsley Enagbare South Carolina Really matches up well with what we need going forward. Reveal hidden contents I mean Jax might be the only team worse than us again, we could very well have top 3 pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 15 hours ago, kdels62 said: Probably not Nik Bonitto. Most likely George Karlaftis, he seems right. I want DeMarvin Leal, he’s just so impressive but he’s probably gonna end up in the interior and be the next Aaron Donald. I love Leal too. If he's got Aaron Donald potential then he's a must pick if still available. Both of Quinnen Williams and DeMarvin Leal feasting on the same D-Line together? Playing alongside of one another @ 4-3 DT? The interior pass rush would become so fierce where kids like Huff could become an impact pass rusher from the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Uhhh, we have a draft forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Uhhh, we have a draft forum. ^^^ fat and drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 11:32 AM, Rhg1084 said: I mean Jax might be the only team worse than us again, we could very well have top 3 pick Houston should be very very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TouchyFeely Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 There’s gonna be a lot of people sleeping on this guy. Boye Mafe - Minnesota For reference, I’m looking for guys who can win one-on-one, defend the POA and seal an edge, good eyes to see beyond his assignment on the OL, and good athletic traits. This is a guy who can rush opposite Lawson, win a one-on-one if presented, or contain the edge. Shows he can disengage from his defender if necessary, has a couple recovery moves and is a very quick for a guy listed 6’4 265. All that said, he’s still raw. Known as a very high effort and character player. Most of his issues are technique things, which his high character and improvement from a 2-3 star recruit suggest he can fix with some good coaching and veteran presence (Carl Lawson). He’s going to improve after he gets in the league and I’d want him shadowing Lawson to start opposite him, and later take over for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 8/24/2021 at 5:36 PM, nycdan said: Challenge Accepted Too bad Wilson is playing lights out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownJet Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 After week 1, top 3 seems like a definite lock for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 After week 1, top 3 seems like a definite lock for sure. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownJet Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Really?Yes. What are your thoughts after today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Still a 5 to 6 win team. You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 It’s possible Edge rusher isn’t the concern we thought it’d be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 @Lith - thoughts on Adam Anderson? Looks like he's got a little more juice than some of the Georgia edge guys who have come before him - sack in every game so far too. Why'd it take until his senior year for him to get legitimate snaps? Is he actually the 230 he's listed at or bigger than that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 hours ago, derp said: @Lith - thoughts on Adam Anderson? Looks like he's got a little more juice than some of the Georgia edge guys who have come before him - sack in every game so far too. Why'd it take until his senior year for him to get legitimate snaps? Is he actually the 230 he's listed at or bigger than that? Big fan of Anderson. 5 star recruit that commited to us and I have been waiting for him to breakout ever since. Athletic freak -- woudl not be surprised if he runs near 4.4. He has some good pass rushing moves so it is not all about speed with him. Last two seasons, he was used as a situational pass rusher, so while he has played a lot of games, he has not had a lot of snaps. Still had 5.5 sacks last year in a limited role. I really just think he was behind some other guys on the depth chart. Ojulari and Nolan Smith (another edge coming out this year) were ahead of him. Smith is better against the run, imo and got more snaps opposite Ojulari last year. I really like this tandem. Smith probably goes day 2, and I would expect Anderson will be a first rounder and he could be pretty high on the first when all is said and done. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 10:52 AM, TouchyFeely said: There’s gonna be a lot of people sleeping on this guy. Boye Mafe - Minnesota For reference, I’m looking for guys who can win one-on-one, defend the POA and seal an edge, good eyes to see beyond his assignment on the OL, and good athletic traits. This is a guy who can rush opposite Lawson, win a one-on-one if presented, or contain the edge. Shows he can disengage from his defender if necessary, has a couple recovery moves and is a very quick for a guy listed 6’4 265. All that said, he’s still raw. Known as a very high effort and character player. Most of his issues are technique things, which his high character and improvement from a 2-3 star recruit suggest he can fix with some good coaching and veteran presence (Carl Lawson). He’s going to improve after he gets in the league and I’d want him shadowing Lawson to start opposite him, and later take over for him. This is the kind of guy who can really raise his stock if he shows out at the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 10 hours ago, PepPep said: This is the kind of guy who can really raise his stock if he shows out at the combine. I watched some of his games recently. Dude is all effort and a bit stiff. He pops on screen tho. I wouldn’t want to be the team that overdrafts him but I can see the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Also I recently decided I’m over the DeMarvin Leal thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 I been tracking him the last few weeks and he just keeps producing. Sam Williams, Ole Miss with 10.5 sacks, 4 FF 12 TFL in 9 games. Reportedly in the past ran a 4.5 40 at ~265 pounds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 @Lith What do you know about Jermaine Johnson? I've only seen him this season and he's a flat out beast. He can very well jump into the discussion as the 2nd pass rusher off the board. Has the prototypical size for a 4-3 DE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Some whispers out there now that Aidan Hutchinson could be the 1st pick of the draft. If Jets can walk away with either Hutchinson Or Thibodeaux that’s a success 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 hours ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: @Lith What do you know about Jermaine Johnson? I've only seen him this season and he's a flat out beast. He can very well jump into the discussion as the 2nd pass rusher off the board. Has the prototypical size for a 4-3 DE He was buried on our depth chart behind guys like Azeez Ojulari, Nolan Smith, Adam Anderson. I know he is having a huge year at FSU, but I have not watched any of their games this season outside of their opener against ND. Honestly do not know what to think of him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 5:57 PM, Rhg1084 said: Some whispers out there now that Aidan Hutchinson could be the 1st pick of the draft. If Jets can walk away with either Hutchinson Or Thibodeaux that’s a success If we are picking like 2 or 3 that is fine, but otherwise we have far greater needs than Edge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: If we are picking like 2 or 3 that is fine, but otherwise we have far greater needs than Edge I can guarantee one of our first round picks will be an edge, even the kid from Purdue we’d take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 5 hours ago, johnnysd said: If we are picking like 2 or 3 that is fine, but otherwise we have far greater needs than Edge Such as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 In my very early analysis: 1) Hutchinson 2) Thib 3) Ojabo 4) Karlaftis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 9:26 AM, bla bla bla said: In my very early analysis: 1) Hutchinson 2) Thib 3) Ojabo 4) Karlaftis I've been beginning to think that Ojabo with the Seahawks pick makes some sense. I think he's going to test extremely well and while watching Hutchinson I often found myself wondering who was the better of the two. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: I've been beginning to think that Ojabo with the Seahawks pick makes some sense. I think he's going to test extremely well and while watching Hutchinson I often found myself wondering who was the better of the two. My thinking as well. If we can manage to stay at #8 or so with the Seahawks then I think that could make a lot of sense. Of I could script #4 and #8 it would be Hamilton and Ojabo. If we inch up higher than I'm hoping Hutch/Thib and then Hamilton/Linderbaum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: My thinking as well. If we can manage to stay at #8 or so with the Seahawks then I think that could make a lot of sense. Of I could script #4 and #8 it would be Hamilton and Ojabo. If we inch up higher than I'm hoping Hutch/Thib and then Hamilton/Linderbaum What do you think of Leal? If we were double dipping on defense my "dream" scenario has been Hutchinson and Leal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 3 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: What do you think of Leal? If we were double dipping on defense my "dream" scenario has been Hutchinson and Leal. He has a really elusive way of getting around the OL. From the very little I've seen, I think I'd say I prefer a few other guys but it really depends where that Seattle pick ends up. I think for me if we can get one of the Edges with our pick then it would eliminate the need for an additional DL with the Seattle pick. I'd be looking at Hamilton, Linderbaum, Williams, or Stingley if we are still within the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 On 12/22/2021 at 4:48 PM, UntouchableCrew said: I've been beginning to think that Ojabo with the Seahawks pick makes some sense. I think he's going to test extremely well and while watching Hutchinson I often found myself wondering who was the better of the two. I couldn’t agree more. When you watch Michigan games, Ojabo isn’t some throw away JAG. He’s winning 1 on 1 battles and getting to the QB as well. He’s not as refined as Hutchinson but he’s got the talent. Personally I’d pass on Leal. He’s a good player but we don’t need another DT. He doesn’t have the explosiveness to play end. At best he’d basically be Leonard Williams 2.0 and rack up tons of “almost sacks” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: I couldn’t agree more. When you watch Michigan games, Ojabo isn’t some throw away JAG. He’s winning 1 on 1 battles and getting to the QB as well. He’s not as refined as Hutchinson but he’s got the talent. Personally I’d pass on Leal. He’s a good player but we don’t need another DT. He doesn’t have the explosiveness to play end. At best he’d basically be Leonard Williams 2.0 and rack up tons of “almost sacks” See how Leal measures. They’re going to need to address DT in FA or the draft. Fatukasi is a starter and a UFA and Shepherd is a big rotation piece and a UFA. Absolutely doesn’t need to be another high first round pick and my preferences would go FA > day 2 of draft (Wyatt, Winfrey day 2 would be solid) >> day 1 of draft. But GM and HC value the front, they rotate heavily, and they will need bodies there. This place will burn to the ground if they do it but I think it’s not off the table till they address it in FA. I’d hope Marshall has earned his way into the rotation and maybe they just re-sign Fatukasi and take another guy day three but it’s a spot that quietly needs depth this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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