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On 8/25/2021 at 11:58 AM, CpSinceDay1 said:

See, I'm pulling for PJ to take over as QB1 by end of the season, hopefully after 4 games, I never believed in S.A.M. and I belvieve the Jets finessed us out of a 2nd round, but most importantly, we passed on Fields for Darnold...

At least this Panthers fan refused to believe in Darnold from the jump.  He knew a lot quicker than many here that he was never going to work out in Carolina (or anywhere else for that matter).

And yes, even if Fields looks lousy at the moment, the right move would have been to draft him.  Or just keep Bridgewater.  This experiment with Darnold was always going to be a doomed one for Rhule.  I thought he'd be smart enough not to make a gaffe like that, but alas, he did, and it may well get him fired.  Hope not.  

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On 8/25/2021 at 10:59 PM, jgb said:

Except this completely ignores reality and history. Darnold “haters” have already proven they are willing to change their opinion of him based on his performance on the field. We all started loving him. Meanwhile, those who still support him have done so unwaveringly, ignoring reality all the while. It is infinitely more likely that the OL, coaching, CMAC getting hurt, no true WR1, no pass-catching TE, etc ad infinitum will be among the myriad of excuses foisted to excuse yet another terrible season by Sam. Same as it ever was.

 

On 10/21/2021 at 7:44 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

BUMP

jgb and I are modern Nostradamuses.  

 

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You'll also like this, Panthers fans talking about who will replace Rhule in off season: https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/173138-who-do-you-want-as-the-next-head-coach/

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7 minutes ago, jgb said:

 

 

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You'll also like this, Panthers fans talking about who will replace Rhule in off season: https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/173138-who-do-you-want-as-the-next-head-coach/

The reality in the modern NFL is - you need a guy who can give you a good chance to win when all else has gone to poop. When your O line is a walking MASH unit, the D can't stop a nosebleed and your "best" WR was bagging groceries a few weeks ago. It's why guys like Rodgers, Brady (ugh), Mahomes and so on are so valuable - because they can produce chicken salad when all they have is chicken poop.

Sam isn't that guy. Never will be.

Zach? Who knows. Probably not. But his best play so far has been when plays have broken down and he makes that "wow" spin / escape / scramble / completion. In Dumb and Dumber parlance "you're telling me there's a chance??!?". There's so much he still needs to do - basic stuff like three step drop and quick pass to a receiver' hands, all that simple stuff. And you can't have every play being that miracle worker stuff ... that needs to be the exception, not the rule.

But if you don't have that and need everything to be "just so" to succeed? Nah, isn't going to happen. Not continuously.

 

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4 hours ago, jgb said:

 

 

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You'll also like this, Panthers fans talking about who will replace Rhule in off season: https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/173138-who-do-you-want-as-the-next-head-coach/

read this last night and laughed. glad im not the only only who goes there for a laugh.  last week i think a Jets Sam fan probably from this board was telling them to keep the faith in Sam. LMAO.

its going to be funny when Sam gets 2 HCs, and 2 OC fired in back to back years on 2 different teams ..lol

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On 8/27/2021 at 9:25 PM, genot said:

One playmaker and good play calling can make the difference between a QB thats ranked #32 and a QB ranked #20. My theory is soon to be put to the test. The season starts shortly. 

humor lol GIF by Lance Ford

On 8/28/2021 at 6:03 AM, genot said:

I think Anderson is a very good wide receiver and one of the best deep threat targets in the league. He also has strong hands and catches almost t every football that comes his way. Grow up. Saviour QB. Im just giving my opinion on what i witness. Being a football fan and Jet fan before Sam Darnold was even born 

-Robby's YPG has cratered from 68.5 with Teddy to 29 with Darnold. Not only is he being targeted 1.5 times less per game (and this is with Curtis Samuel and his 97 targets now in WAS) but more troubling is what has happened to the value of those targets. In 2020, Robby's yards per target was a respectable 8.2 (#65 out of 153 qualifying pass catchers). This year? 4.2 (#144 out of 146). That is... ******* terrible for an outside WR. Only two poor RBs -- Mike Davis and Miles Gaskins -- are lower.

So... is Robby good or does Darnold suck? Pick one.

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On 10/28/2021 at 6:03 AM, jgb said:

If you're inclined to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for Robby Anderson and DJ Moore.

-Robby's YPG has cratered from 68.5 with Teddy to 29 with Darnold. Not only is he being targeted 1.5 times less per game (and this is with Curtis Samuel and his 97 targets now in WAS) but more troubling is what has happened to the value of those targets. In 2020, Robby's yards per target was a respectable 8.2 (#65 out of 153 qualifying pass catchers). This year? 4.2 (#144 out of 146). That is... ******* terrible for an outside WR. Only two poor RBs -- Mike Davis and Miles Gaskins -- are lower.

-DJ Moore's story is in many ways worse. Under "pop gun" Teddy, Moore was 10th in the league with an average yards per target of 10.1 -- borderline elite and he did this over a significant sample size after putting up 1,200 yards last year. This year... brace yourself... Moore's YPT is 8.0 which is.... #65. The exact same as Robby's rank under Teddy. Yeah, that Darnold is such a gunslinger. /sarcasm

tl;dr: Sam Darnold turned DJ Moore into Robby Anderson and turned Robby Anderson into the most inefficient WR in the NFL. QB makes the weapons, not the other way around.

Dj Moore sure.

Robbie? He disappears in games there just like he did here. Except now he drops as many passes as he catches.  He's an UFA who has made a lot of money in this league. What ever motivated him before seems to be long gone.

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On 10/28/2021 at 6:03 AM, jgb said:

If you're inclined to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for Robby Anderson and DJ Moore.

-Robby's YPG has cratered from 68.5 with Teddy to 29 with Darnold. Not only is he being targeted 1.5 times less per game (and this is with Curtis Samuel and his 97 targets now in WAS) but more troubling is what has happened to the value of those targets. In 2020, Robby's yards per target was a respectable 8.2 (#65 out of 153 qualifying pass catchers). This year? 4.2 (#144 out of 146). That is... ******* terrible for an outside WR. Only two poor RBs -- Mike Davis and Miles Gaskins -- are lower.

-DJ Moore's story is in many ways worse. Under "pop gun" Teddy, Moore was 10th in the league with an average yards per target of 10.1 -- borderline elite and he did this over a significant sample size after putting up 1,200 yards last year. This year... brace yourself... Moore's YPT is 8.0 which is.... #65. The exact same as Robby's rank under Teddy. Yeah, that Darnold is such a gunslinger. /sarcasm

tl;dr: Sam Darnold turned DJ Moore into Robby Anderson and turned Robby Anderson into the most inefficient WR in the NFL. QB makes the weapons, not the other way around.

You spent way too much time digging up stats to bash a QB that is not on the a Jets 

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1 hour ago, Pichula said:

You spent way too much time digging up stats to bash a QB that is not on the a Jets 

When we criticized Darnold while he was here, even as late as year 3, we were told that he’s still young, secretly good, etc.

Now that he’s in a new uniform in year 4, we’re told to move on.  Oh, and ignore the clearly ill-advised victory lap Darnold defenders were throwing Weeks 1-3.  

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5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

When we criticized Darnold while he was here, even as late as year 3, we were told that he’s still young, secretly good, etc.

Now that he’s in a new uniform in year 4, we’re told to move on.  Oh, and ignore the clearly ill-advised victory lap Darnold defenders were throwing Weeks 1-3.  

Ok…? Sounds like someone has Sammy issues 

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8 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

When we criticized Darnold while he was here, even as late as year 3, we were told that he’s still young, secretly good, etc.

Now that he’s in a new uniform in year 4, we’re told to move on.  Oh, and ignore the clearly ill-advised victory lap Darnold defenders were throwing Weeks 1-3.  

Sam Darnold is the ultimate tease.  He has great size, athletic ability and is able to make all the throws on the field.  It's what is between his ears, that he needs to get right.

Unfortunately, after years 1-3, there was no indication that he would get it all together.  The excuses the Jets and myself made for Darnold was about how awful the team around him were, and that was causing all of his problems.  The truth is that Darnold was his own problem, and as time goes on, we see that more and more.  Darnold is a game manager; nothing more, nothing less.  Put a great team around him, and then he's got a chance.  Sort of like Mark Sanchez, IMHO.

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10 hours ago, Pichula said:

You spent way too much time digging up stats to bash a QB that is not on the a Jets 

Thank you for the segue to my next point. Notice how Darnoids debate.

When he was here, “He’s our QB. You must be one of those sick fans who would rather be right on the Internet than to see the Jets do well.”

Once he is gone, “You’re beating a dead horse. He’s not on the Jets anymore.”

It’s just never the right time to criticize poor Sammy.

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11 hours ago, y2k8 said:

Dj Moore sure.

Robbie? He disappears in games there just like he did here. Except now he drops as many passes as he catches.  He's an UFA who has made a lot of money in this league. What ever motivated him before seems to be long gone.

Let’s see when he gets a real QB again and reconvene. 

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