Popular Post Copernicus Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jaguars coach Urban Meyer said he and general manager Trent Baalke took a player's vaccination status into consideration during final roster cuts. Meyer said Tuesday that it was considered because of the more stringent COVID-19 protocols imposed on unvaccinated players who test positive or are identified as high-risk close contacts as compared with the protocols for vaccinated players. Meyer’s remarks did not go over well with the NFL players association. This is not about how you feel about the vaccine and the mandates, but rather how the Jags cannot stay away from controversy. If this is the case, why in the world would Urban Meyer say this out loud? More (continued) distractions for Trevor Lawrence. I find it insane how the Jaguars get so little push back from the media. They have had a disastrous off season off and on the field. I find it so curious the media lack of reaction/protection considering it was such a big deal if Lawrence went to the Jets and how we would destroy him. How we were the laughingstock. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Anthony Jet Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 Probably shouldn’t of been said but it’s a smart business move no matter what your stance is on the Vax 22 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bgivs21 Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 Those are the types of comments that open up doors to lawsuits. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Icer Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 This is true for 31 other teams but they are smart enough to lie to the media about it 16 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sec101row23 Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 I am far from being a fan of Urban, but I would bet he isn’t the only coach that factored in vaccine status into keeping or cutting a player. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 Urban Meyers is struggling at this level and the season hasn’t even started. 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said: HAHAHA, and yes, I was thinking the same before I cliched "submit! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Copernicus Posted September 1, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: I am far from being a fan of Urban, but I would bet he isn’t the only coach that factored in vaccine status into keeping or cutting a player. Maybe their were, maybe not. The lack of awareness by announcing it is alarming to me 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salehery Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Lol jags came out and said that wasn’t true. Urban was opening them up to all kinds of grievances from the union with those comments. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Copernicus said: Maybe their were, maybe not. The lack of awareness by announcing it is alarming to me No one remembers this once the games start 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetstream Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 I'm sure this was a factor in alot of close decisions...possibly even the Cam decision...but what benefit is there for Urban to say this? I feel like him and Saban before him, they come in with this god complex since in their College life everyone just kisses their a$$ Hope it goes the same as Saban did 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, Copernicus said: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jaguars coach Urban Meyer said he and general manager Trent Baalke took a player's vaccination status into consideration during final roster cuts. Meyer said Tuesday that it was considered because of the more stringent COVID-19 protocols imposed on unvaccinated players who test positive or are identified as high-risk close contacts as compared with the protocols for vaccinated players. Meyer’s remarks did not go over well with the NFL players association. This is not about how you feel about the vaccine and the mandates, but rather how the Jags cannot stay away from controversy. If this is the case, why in the world would Urban Meyer say this out loud? More (continued) distractions for Trevor Lawrence. I find it insane how the Jaguars get so little push back from the media. They have had a disastrous off season off and on the field. I find it so curious the media lack of reaction/protection considering it was such a big deal if Lawrence went to the Jets and how we would destroy him. How we were the laughingstock. Interesting, I kind of see it the other way. Seems to me that the national media are jumping down Urban's throat for every little thing he does and I get it, he's a totally unlikable dickwad but in this particular situation...he's just telling the truth. Damned if you do, damned if you dont but a coach is lying if they say the vax didnt take into account in their decision making. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, JiFapono said: Interesting, I kind of see it the other way. Seems to me that the national media are jumping down Urban's throat for every little thing he does and I get it, he's a totally unlikable dickwad but in this particular situation...he's just telling the truth. Damned if you do, damned if you dont but a coach is lying if they say the vax didnt take into account in their decision making. The media sucks. Florio sucks the most. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 I was of the impression that teams could cut/retain players for any reason they wanted as long as they were at least nominally relevant to the team's benefit. If a team cuts a player for off-the-field conduct, that's fine. A player's refusal to vaccinate has very real implications to the W/L record, particularly given the introduction of forfeits this season. The idea that players get to make choices that affect their team and then expect to be protected from being cut because of those choices feels a little off to me. But perhaps I'm just a dinosaur. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, nycdan said: I was of the impression that teams could cut/retain players for any reason they wanted as long as they were at least nominally relevant to the team's benefit. If a team cuts a player for off-the-field conduct, that's fine. A player's refusal to vaccinate has very real implications to the W/L record, particularly given the introduction of forfeits this season. The idea that players get to make choices that affect their team and then expect to be protected from being cut because of those choices feels a little off to me. But perhaps I'm just a dinosaur. Especially a QB... It's was 100% a factor into the decision. The Patriots are not a better team without Cam. Back ups are important, BB should know better then anyone. BB is liar, shocking, I know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 38 minutes ago, bgivs21 said: Those are the types of comments that open up doors to lawsuits. For what? NFL teams can cut players for any reason they choose. The Coach could think the guy is a dick, and cut him for that alone, and there is nothing whatsoever the Players Union (or a Court) is going to do about it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruce Harper Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 52 minutes ago, Copernicus said: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jaguars coach Urban Meyer said he and general manager Trent Baalke took a player's vaccination status into consideration during final roster cuts. Meyer said Tuesday that it was considered because of the more stringent COVID-19 protocols imposed on unvaccinated players who test positive or are identified as high-risk close contacts as compared with the protocols for vaccinated players. Meyer’s remarks did not go over well with the NFL players association. This is not about how you feel about the vaccine and the mandates, but rather how the Jags cannot stay away from controversy. If this is the case, why in the world would Urban Meyer say this out loud? More (continued) distractions for Trevor Lawrence. I find it insane how the Jaguars get so little push back from the media. They have had a disastrous off season off and on the field. I find it so curious the media lack of reaction/protection considering it was such a big deal if Lawrence went to the Jets and how we would destroy him. How we were the laughingstock. NFL rules make it risky to keep the unvaccinated player around if all other things are equal with another player. But talking about it is just not too smart. I hate Belicheat but you will never catch him talking to the press about how Newton's vaccination status was a factor in his cutting him, but it probably was. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bruce Harper Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: I am far from being a fan of Urban, but I would bet he isn’t the only coach that factored in vaccine status into keeping or cutting a player. Absolutely. But you won't catch the others talking about it. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post chirorob Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 Regardless of how I personally feel about the vaccine. IF your employer has a very strong policy of supporting the vaccine due to travel, and/or other reasons, and you choose not to get the vaccine, you are less likely to get/keep a job. If you are in the NFL right now, and are a "bubble player", and you don't get it, you are much less likely to be employed. That sucks, but that is the reality of getting a job in the NFL right now. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Matt39 said: No one remembers this once the games start True, my point is that the Jets were considered the laughingstock and Jacksonville the “stable organization” for Lawrence to be chosen by. I find it ironic that they are having such a disastrous off-season and we appear to be the stable ones (knock on wood/no jinx) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, Icer said: This is true for 31 other teams but they are smart enough to lie to the media about it Urban believes Honesty is the best policy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Interesting, I kind of see it the other way. Seems to me that the national media are jumping down Urban's throat for every little thing he does and I get it, he's a totally unlikable dickwad but in this particular situation...he's just telling the truth. Damned if you do, damned if you dont but a coach is lying if they say the vax didnt take into account in their decision making. I can see your point. But the lack if awareness of Urban Myers in “telling the truth” doesn’t bode well for Lawrence. Just another distraction in an off season of pkenty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: I am far from being a fan of Urban, but I would bet he isn’t the only coach that factored in vaccine status into keeping or cutting a player. Peter King wrote an article about this very thing earlier in the off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Everyone is not carrying the risk of an unvaccinated player and a loss of a game as the rules are now written. So the Union can cry all they want. How about this Union, make your damn players get vaccinated 5 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Is Zach Wilson vaccinated? SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 An employers first responsibility is the health and safety of his employees. You don’t like it, go get another job. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 This is just a sign of organizational quality, which is surprising since Khan is a successful business person who runs a large company. You don't talk about this stuff publicly. Particularly in North Florida. I don't think anyone doubts that Newton's vaccination status factored into his being cut, but you don't talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Copernicus said: I can see your point. But the lack if awareness of Urban Myers in “telling the truth” doesn’t bode well for Lawrence. Just another distraction in an off season of pkenty I highly doubt this is a distraction. Just more of the NFL, NFL'ing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 My CFL team has had a large out break and had to postpone a game because of it. They just cut a starting olineman because he violated the protocols. (Believe it or not for using a non team approved masseuse). This is a fact of life in sports like many other parts of society now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Copernicus said: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jaguars coach Urban Meyer said he and general manager Trent Baalke took a player's vaccination status into consideration during final roster cuts. Meyer said Tuesday that it was considered because of the more stringent COVID-19 protocols imposed on unvaccinated players who test positive or are identified as high-risk close contacts as compared with the protocols for vaccinated players. Meyer’s remarks did not go over well with the NFL players association. This is not about how you feel about the vaccine and the mandates, but rather how the Jags cannot stay away from controversy. If this is the case, why in the world would Urban Meyer say this out loud? More (continued) distractions for Trevor Lawrence. I find it insane how the Jaguars get so little push back from the media. They have had a disastrous off season off and on the field. I find it so curious the media lack of reaction/protection considering it was such a big deal if Lawrence went to the Jets and how we would destroy him. How we were the laughingstock. Seriously. What on earth is Meyer thinking? Can you imagine Bill Parcells discussing his reasoning about final cutdown? If you even asked the question he wold glower at you and say - NEXT QUESTION. Then he would go LOOK YOU UP AFTER THE PRESS CONFERENCE. What a buffoon. There is literally nothing to gain. Do I agree with him on the merits? Yes. But that literally has nothing to do with it. This is public speaking. Does he think he is running for the Senate? His phone must be ringing off the hook from the league office, his team, politicians and everybody else who wants to make hay out of the situation. Imagine young Trevor Lawrence being asked about it while surrounded by teammates. Some of whom are vaccinated and some of whom are not. Whose side does the 22 year old take? Does he punt with "no comment" and fail to support the non-vaccinated Guard who will be trying to save his life from Khalil Mack on Sunday? Or does he wander into a fray that will make the front page no matter what he says. He is the first pick of the NFL draft, his opinion on the best varieties of determinate paste tomatoes will be printed nationwide. Meyer's JOB in this scenario is to threaten, cajole and manipulate the press coverage so he can develop his young QB. Not cast him into the pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Not a fan of Urban, but meh, I don't see anything wrong here. You have a choice, and choices have consequences. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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