Popular Post KRL Posted September 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 A 19-14 season opening loss started out with a "Same Old Jets" feeling but ended with some promise. Outscoring CAR 14-3 in the second half with the defense tightening up and Zach Wilson rallying the offense could be a springboard, if the team can build on it. Let's take a look: Coaching - Offensively the staff failed Zach Wilson in his debut: * The pass protection was a mess (6 sacks). * The run game never made the offense "two handed" (45 yards). * The screen game was never used to slow down the pass rush. * Wilson's toughness/playmaking ability was the only thing that saved the day. It will be interesting to see how/if Mike LaFleur can improve these aspects going into the NE game. We'll never know their impact but the "grayheads" of John Benton and Matt Cavanaugh could be important resources for LaFleur as he seeks improvement. - Defensively the staff was better: * As it made second half adjustments and shutdown CAR (3 points). * As it had to make immediate personnel adjustments when LaMarcus Joyner and Jamien Sherwood went out with injuries. - A couple of game management "hiccups" need to be tightened up: * Having a delay of game penalty in the first half because there weren't enough players on the field for a punt. * Burning an important timeout in the second half as the play clock ran down. If they had that third timeout they could've kicked it deep after making it 19-14 and put pressure on CAR offense. Special Teams - Matt Ammendola was the star as he stepped in for an injured Braden Mann and punted six times for a 48.5 average. Defense - The key to the defensive game plan was to stop Christian McCaffrey and to get middle pressure on Sam Darnold. They failed on both fronts as McCaffrey had 187 combined yards on 30 touches and Quinnen Williams and Sheldon Rankins only generated 3 Tackles and 2 QB Hits between them. - How much did the Joyner injury have an impact on the Robby Anderson bomb? Sheldrick Redwine got burned in single coverage, would Joyner have been better? - John Franklin-Myers was the major impact player on defense. Generating 3 Tackles, 1 Sack, 2 TFLs and 2 QB Hits. - DelShawn Phillips filled in for Sherwood and had 12 Tackles. Unfortunately too many were yards down the field. - The young secondary was very solid in their debut. Other than the Anderson bomb they were tight in their assignments. Offense - The major issues were mentioned earlier. Other things that concerned me were: * How did George Fant beat out Morgan Moses at RT? And could that have impacted the OLine communication? * One touch generated for Elijah Moore. Was he rusty after not playing in the pre-season? * How deep in the doghouse is Denzel Mims? He had one catch for 40 yards, but before that I don't think I saw him on the field. - Impressive debut by Corey Davis (5 catches / 97 yards / 2 TD). Showing toughness, speed and YAC ability. You wonder if he and Wilson hooked up on that first quarter 40+ yard "off script" play could things have been different for the offense? - Zach Wilson turned this game from just another opening day loss to real excitement/hope for the rest of the season. In his first game he was under constant siege, had no help from the running game and yet his toughness and playmaking ability rallied the team to a one score game. Wilson's numbers don't tell the entire story (20/37, 258 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT) because in the second half he was 14/21, 174 yards, 2 TD. Let's be honest, Sam Darnold was under siege multiple times when he was with the Jets but he never was able to stabilize a game and rally the team like Wilson displayed yesterday. When Darnold started off bad he remained bad ("Ghost Game"). Finally, don't underestimate how much respect Wilson gained in the locker room from the beating he took. Now let's make sure it never happens again. 27 4 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, KRL said: don't underestimate how much respect Wilson gained in the locker room from the beating he took. Now let's make sure it never happens again. Very important component to move forward as a team. Zach knows he's capable and just proved it. Once/if he gets some semblance of protection, we will put some points on the board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KRL Posted September 13, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 As I brought up the lack of touches for Elijah Moore, I forgot to mention that he also had a drop on a 40+ yard "off script" throw from Wilson. How much would that have changed the outcome of the game? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightattendant Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Rip baby Zack Welcome badass zack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sec101row23 Posted September 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, KRL said: As I brought up the lack of touches for Elijah Moore, I forgot to mention that he also had a drop on a 40+ yard "off script" throw from Wilson. How much would that have changed the outcome of the game? I agree that LaFluer did a bad job of getting guys involved in the first half. Getting easy throws to the TEs was OK, but our TEs are so unathletic that they can’t do much with them. I thought he went there too much. During the handful of practices I went to I must have watched them run that slot WR screen play 20 different times, I don’t think I saw it once yesterday. What a simple way to get Moore an easy touch. Even if Moore had a drop, you need to keep going back to him, he’s too valuable to ignore in this offense. Davis wasn’t involved early either, LaFluer looked like a first time OC calling plays. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Great read as always, thanks KRL. If this OL continues to play like it did yesterday it will just be a repeat of the same mistakes we have made time and time again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 The oline play was the biggest issue in the game. Shaky to terrible pass protection and the run game was non-existent. The only sliver of hope is that AVT is a rookie and the line needs more time to gel. Zach showed a lot of potential and toughness, very encouraging. Elijah Moore, 1 catch for -3 yards?!? Really?!! He has to get at least a few touches a game somehow. WR screen, short crosser, slants, etc. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Hard to believe that this roster is a couple injuries from disaster. Guy’s signed Wednesday playing lol watching the better teams with loaded rosters yesterday was depressing. Sherwood should be waived and put on the PS Starting to see JD put more of an emphasis on his guys playing than putting the best players out there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenbloodblitz Posted September 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 I really wish the coordinators didn't completely give away the game plan on 9/8 during their press conferences LOL! It really wasn't a secret that we were going to try to run the ball and then work Zack into the mix with some throws. The Offensive line and the wide receiver corp have been shuffling around the last few weeks because of injuries so obviously they didn't have their timing down. You know it's funny that around these parts if you try to say something positive you're a homer, and if you point out the negative you're a same old Jets fan. Well I saw exactly what I thought I was going to see. New head coach, new qb, new schemes, new coordinators first game of the season. Zach Wilson is better than Sam Darnold, they're not even in the same class. When he took that sack from their D lineman I thought he was dead. Lmfao! he might look like Howdy Doody but the Kids got guts. I was pleasantly surprised by the young secondary and the defense as a whole despite the fact that we didn't get much pass rush. Oh yeah we don't have a Hulk or a Christian McCaffrey. Just like anybody who becomes the president of the United States, Robert Salah looks like he's aged about 7 years since he got here. He was very unhappy at the press conference which tells me he's dead serious and that's a good thing. I expected growing pains I'm not going to jump off the ledge. There were a lot of good things to take away from yesterday. Corey Davis, both Michael Carters, obviously Zach, Fatuski, Hall, Guidry, and of course Amendola just to name a few. Most of all we fought our balls off till the end. I got news for you when you bring your newborn baby home from the hospital he doesn't immediately start playing Bach or Beethoven on the piano and start cooking Quiche. They kind of fall down a lot and s*** themselves. Considering it's all brand new and we're the youngest team in the league, I really have high hopes from what I saw yesterday. As usual thanks for the write-up KRL 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Agreed on the QB take. Darnold in the same situation and tis a 30-3 game, not 19-14. However, Zach will never reach his potential without drastically improving this roster. The play "the young kids" approach sounds sexy, but I hope at some point the staff will be mature enough to realize if its not working. Yes, we may have to pay a vet or two. By the way who was the biggest player for us yesterday besides Zach? Young kids or picks? No, a FA vet signing in Corey Davis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: I agree that LaFluer did a bad job of getting guys involved in the first half. Getting easy throws to the TEs was OK, but our TEs are so unathletic that they can’t do much with them. I thought he went there too much. During the handful of practices I went to I must have watched them run that slot WR screen play 20 different times, I don’t think I saw it once yesterday. What a simple way to get Moore an easy touch. Even if Moore had a drop, you need to keep going back to him, he’s too valuable to ignore in this offense. Davis wasn’t involved early either, LaFluer looked like a first time OC calling plays. I'm fairly certain I saw a slot screen to Moore which he dropped early in the game. I think they also tried one to MC3 which was dropped. I thought LaFluer could be better, but overall I'm not putting the first half on him. He called relatively good plays where the WRs and OL didn't hold up their end. I've been saying all offseason that I'm super excited with every aspect of the team (specifically OL, Mims, Moore, and MC3) except QB as I didn't feel for Wilson what others felt. I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing, but after yesterday's game, it's the complete opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, KRL said: Let's be honest, Sam Darnold was under siege multiple times when he was with the Jets but he never was able to stabilize a game and rally the team like Wilson displayed yesterday. I'm happy with the direction the team took in trading Darnold, but if you're asking for honesty, let's take it all the way. Darnold also didn't have multiple 1st round OL and Corey Davis, and had one of the worst HC of all time with a no name OC and no QB coach. All of that plays a part in one's ability to stabilize a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Got to get the run game working. Can't be one dimensional vs the Pats. Zach really showed grit and Corey Davis is legit. Seemed to settle down as the game went along. Made some clutch throws, especially 4th down to Berrios. Really hope Cole can go next week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Zach passed the eyeball test for me and the D was a very pleasant surprise. This o-line, geez 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, KRL said: As I brought up the lack of touches for Elijah Moore, I forgot to mention that he also had a drop on a 40+ yard "off script" throw from Wilson. How much would that have changed the outcome of the game? That was huge. Would have switched the momentum of the game. One other little thing I noticed about Zach: He went and thanked every player on offense after we failed to stop Car on their last drive. (We win by the way if Zach gets the ball back) That will go a long way with the team after they sucked balls in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I'd also like to add to the folks questioning the Berriosl / Mims situation, I think Robert Saleh is old school. Your best ability is availability. I think he rewarded the kid for giving it his all through training camp. In my opinion he's a really good player. The offense is obviously a little behind and still trying to get in sync. I believe it will happen sooner rather than later. Listen this was their first gig. Everything is different when you get on stage under the lights. Also let me reiterate and I've said this for a while now, I really like Zack in his interviews and press conferences. The first time I really think we have a guy who can handle New York. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Zach is going to turn into David Carr if he takes this kind of beating every week. There is no way that this can continue. I will never understand how JD can allow the season to start with GVR and McGovern on the field. Totally inexcusable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lith Posted September 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, KRL said: As I brought up the lack of touches for Elijah Moore, I forgot to mention that he also had a drop on a 40+ yard "off script" throw from Wilson. How much would that have changed the outcome of the game? Agreed. That was such a great play by Zach, avoiding the rush and with a seeming flick of the wrist he got it 40+ yards downfield. Not perfect placement, but certainly catchable. I hate losing, but there certainly were moments where you saw Wilson's potential. Now, they just have to figure out how to protect him next week. Cause it is not going to get any easier going up against Belichick's defense. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: Agreed on the QB take. Darnold in the same situation and tis a 30-3 game, not 19-14. However, Zach will never reach his potential without drastically improving this roster. The play "the young kids" approach sounds sexy, but I hope at some point the staff will be mature enough to realize if its not working. Yes, we may have to pay a vet or two. By the way who was the biggest player for us yesterday besides Zach? Young kids or picks? No, a FA vet signing in Corey Davis. Agree with you 100% I think they’ll invest more in vets next offseason. Really think they wanted to maximize their draft capital this 2 years with all the picks and set a foundation of young players to build around. If I’m wrong and they don’t bring in a few more vets then I’ll start to shake my head at JD.....because going full out Sam Heinkie in the NFL is a tough sled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irktusk1957 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, KRL said: As I brought up the lack of touches for Elijah Moore, I forgot to mention that he also had a drop on a 40+ yard "off script" throw from Wilson. How much would that have changed the outcome of the game? An obvious pass interference call there would have helped too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 For all the hype Moore got, Waddle, Chase and Smith all got TD's in their rookie debuts. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Something I saw from Zach yesterday that I never saw from Darnold (or most of his predecessors) - that real zip on the ball that means the DBs have far less time to react. Watching the two TDs to Davis you could never see Darnold making those fastball throws. Especially the first where he was on the run at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, sec101row23 said: Even if Moore had a drop, you need to keep going back to him. Moore had two drops. Those are killers - he'll be back next week but he has to catch the ball when thrown to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 On the field the OL sucked. Off the field LaFleur's game plan sucked--especially in the first half. I want to give LaFleur the benefit of the doubt that he's a brand new OC with a bunch of new players and wanted to give them a simplified game plan and let people make mistakes in their roles to develop. That certainly explains a lot about the offense yesterday, especially in the first half. Wilson is going to get killed this season if they keep the same offensive scheme without the OL getting better. LaFleur needs to add blocking help and run more short pass designs. There are all these young guys, take advantage of that by running a faster offense and wear down the defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdfodder Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Agreed. That was such a great play by Zach, avoiding the rush and with a seeming flick of the wrist he got it 40+ yards downfield. Not perfect placement, but certainly catchable. I hate losing, but there certainly were moments where you saw Wilson's potential. Now, they just have to figure out how to protect him next week. Cause it is not going to get any easier going up against Belichick's defense.Belli’s D/rook qbWho you gonna call?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 5 hours ago, KRL said: Quinnen Williams and Sheldon Rankins only generated 3 Tackles and 2 QB Hits between them. This is totally baffling to me. These 2 guys were supposed to raise mayhem on the offense, especially since the offensive linemen facing them on the other side of the ball were supposed to be "average" at best. Not only was this performance disappointing, but I question how the coaches are going to address this going forward. I'm beginning to feel that the "all gas, no brake" mantra is hollow and meaningless. I would sit both Quinnen and Rankins and let them watch the next game from the sidelines. They need to be held accountable, but I know the coaches have no backbone to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Larz said: Hard to believe that this roster is a couple injuries from disaster. Guy’s signed Wednesday playing lol watching the better teams with loaded rosters yesterday was depressing. Sherwood should be waived and put on the PS Starting to see JD put more of an emphasis on his guys playing than putting the best players out there I think it's Saleh's call who gets play time, no? And hasn't he already stated that he prefers young players that he can mold? And who do we have that is better who's getting passed over by Sherwood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, Spoot-Face said: I think it's Saleh's call who gets play time, no? And hasn't he already stated that he prefers young players that he can mold? And who do we have that is better who's getting passed over by Sherwood? What do you mold a 25 off rating into ? 55? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Jethead said: For all the hype Moore got, Waddle, Chase and Smith all got TD's in their rookie debuts. Just sayin'. they all did get drafted higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Alka said: This is totally baffling to me. These 2 guys were supposed to raise mayhem on the offense, especially since the offensive linemen facing them on the other side of the ball were supposed to be "average" at best. Not only was this performance disappointing, but I question how the coaches are going to address this going forward. I'm beginning to feel that the "all gas, no brake" mantra is hollow and meaningless. I would sit both Quinnen and Rankins and let them watch the next game from the sidelines. They need to be held accountable, but I know the coaches have no backbone to do that. I am a little baffled that Quinnen didn't impact the game at all, BUT calling for Quinnen to be benched is pretty ridiculous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Jethead said: For all the hype Moore got, Waddle, Chase and Smith all got TD's in their rookie debuts. Just sayin'. For all the hype Aaron Rodgers has gotten, Zach Wilson had more passing yards and TDs and a higher passer rating/QBR than him yesterday. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Larz said: What do you mold a 25 off rating into ? 55? I'm not a coach. That's for Saleh to decide what to do with. Not JD. Didn't CJ Mosley also have a low rating? I guess those all-pro seasons never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: I am a little baffled that Quinnen didn't impact the game at all, BUT calling for Quinnen to be benched is pretty ridiculous. If the shoe fits, I say "wear it". You should never bench your best defensive player, except when they are no longer playing anywhere up to the level you expect from them. I would bench him, and send a message to the team, that no matter who you are, if you don't play with "all gas, no brake", you will be held accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: I'm not a coach. That's for Saleh to decide what to do with. Not JD. Didn't CJ Mosley also have a low rating? I guess those all-pro seasons never happened. Im not a coach. Sherwood is worse than polite. He has no business being on the field. It doesn’t matter if it’s JDs failure or Saleh at the end of the day does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Larz said: Im not a coach. Sherwood is worse than polite. He has no business being on the field. It doesn’t matter if it’s JDs failure or Saleh at the end of the day does it? Move the goalpost much? Your original point was that the only reason Sherwood was playing was because JD was showing favoritism for his draft picks, rather than putting the best man on the field. 1. Coaches usually decide who plays and how much, not GMs. 2. You failed to give a name of the better player who should've been playing over Sherwood. I didn't really focus on Sherwood, but if you want to rail on JD and his 5th round draft pick for having a bad game in his first ever start, well that's insanity, but... you do you. Just don't make faulty arguments to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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