Paradis Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, undertow said: This regime is all tied together. You are gonna see the same GM, coach, QB combo for at least the next three seasons we all knew this when we hired a new coach and drafted a QB in the top 10....there was always a possibility it would be a disaster lets hope its not. Rob isn’t the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Paradis said: Rob isn’t the problem. I"m not saying he is. I personally never liked the QB and I was always wait and see with JD but the Johnsons aren't firing Douglas a year after hiring a coach and drafting a QB.... this is the crew like it or not. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jimmy 2 Times Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 The clock hasn't started on JD. The clock hasn't started on Coach. The clock hasn't started on Zach. I see speed everywhere, a line that looked much improved from week one, a defense that was aggressive, and a rookie quarterback that has more natural talent than anyone we've had in my lifetime. This kid is going to be great. The jury is still out on JD's first draft. Lot's of excuses (covid, limited scouting, different coaches he drafted for) that have been talked about too many times already, but he drafted the right positions with players that were through the roof with potential and athletic ability. If you have to make a decision with only partial information, why not take the kids with the highest potential? I still have faith that Mims will put it together, Becton will come back better than ever, and Davis is going to be a force at FS. Then his first draft because a home run. His second draft has been phenomenal so far. The only thing I wish JD better was spent more money on the free agent o line, but he'll address that next year. 1 1 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said: Clock has officially started on JD Clock started the day he was hired. He's about 60-65% thru his allotted time as the NY GM if we don't see material improvement, and soon. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 49 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: People dont want to hear it but the way he handled Jamal was the canary in the coal mine. The way he handled that situation was amateur hour. Sure he got a haul for him, getting hauls for good players is a given. You dont get credit for pushing away your best players, sorry. Jamal smelled the bullsh*t and wanted out. I suspect Robbie was the same just quieter. That and all the weird stuff with Enunwa, Falk and Osemele re the injured list. Douglas is in over his head. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 If they have many more games like this till the end of the year, it only makes sense to reflect on Douglas' position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I was excoriated by some on this board when I stated his first draft was abysmal...Ashtyn Davis, James Morgan, Perrine..all bums I said at the time ..this year's crop looks no better...where are impact players? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 The 2020 draft there were dudes to be picked. The Idzik draft stunk but that class overall was meh. Last years class is going to get him fired. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Action Zachtion said: The current state of the 2020 draft does seem to make it Zach or bust for JD. If you hit on the QB, all other mistakes are forgiven.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: I was excoriated by some on this board when I stated his first draft was abysmal...Ashtyn Davis, James Morgan, Perrine..all bums I said at the time ..this year's crop looks no better...where are impact players? We were told ashtyn was a Jamal replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, maury77 said: That and all the weird stuff with Enunwa, Falk and Osemele re the injured list. Douglas is in over his head. Man, thanks for the reminder. I even let that slip my mind. That raised a ton of ton if flags for me at the time. People on this board blamed the players of course. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 I think this is the product of drafting a QB that made a career of beating up the weak sisters of college football. I have said the kid had immense arm talent but that certainly was not on display today. I hope Zack is mentally tough enough to just move on from this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Vader said: Had Darnold and Robby with 2 1st round draft picks including the #2 which could have been worth mucho edit — Darnold’s performance in Carolina has already proven JD wrong. Sam is clearly an NFL caliber QB when he has protection and weapons. It was such a risk for JD to move laterally at QB. I don't think you understand what "proven" means. Way too many assumptions after just two games for a rookie QB, playing for a rookie HC and OC. Am I shocked that Sam Darnold played two decent games? No. We knew he was capable of this. He hasn't proven that he can do it consistently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 The fire douglas thingnis weak. we have a young team full of rookies and a bunch are doing well zach has played his worst game. Jeez its his 2nd game where he was thrown into the fire Moving on….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Joe is awful u are what your record says u are last year second worst team in football this year will be one of the worst again probably win 2 -3 games 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, HighPitch said: The fire douglas thingnis weak. we have a young team full of rookies and a bunch are doing well zach has played his worst game. Jeez its his 2nd game where he was thrown into the fire Moving on….. Sorry, this wasn't just a bad game. His first two passes were picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jet Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 The thing is, it's hard for the Jets to be any worse than they were last season. The Jets lucked into two wins last season and cost themselves a shot at the first overall pick. This season should be about tangible improvements on both sides of the ball. Do we get a defence that actually can stop opponents? Do we have an offence that actually looks somewhat competent? If by the end of the season the answers to those questions is no, then Douglas deserves to be on the hot seat. I think his seat is becoming warmer with each passing week of incompetence from the roster he has put together. Having Robby Anderson opposite Corey Davis would be pretty good right now, but instead, Douglas got fooled by Perriman's purple patch when every other talent evaluator knew he would turn back into the pumpkin that he is as soon as he signed a lucrative free agent contract. That was disappointing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, HighPitch said: The fire douglas thingnis weak. we have a young team full of rookies and a bunch are doing well zach has played his worst game. Jeez its his 2nd game where he was thrown into the fire Moving on….. Can you list this “bunch of rookies” that are playing well? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jet Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Maccagnan was a fool but at least he signed a veteran quarterback to support Darnold. Wilson has nobody to turn to apart from his coaches to process what happened today. We have the cap space. Not signing a veteran backup is weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Banners and planes when? Submarines, space shuttles, helicopters, drones, banner ads on Jet Nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: Becton hasn’t stunk. That’s ridiculous. Moore nor AVT have not either. AVT was very good today. Wilson did today. He did not last week. Mims, Zuniga and Davis so far have disappointed. Davis has has hardly played because of injuries. I said it in the game thread and I’ll say it again here because I love to hear myself talk. Everyone wants to be the first to be right about someone. It makes us feel like our knowledge of the game is vindicated. But in reality the vast majority, myself included, come to there determinations without actually knowing sh*t. Even If they are right, it’s generally unfounded. I will tell you this. Zach will be fine. In fact, he's going to be a bright star in this league. The kid has that IT factor. He played poorly and he was really upset today. You could see it on his face. Totally unlike Darnold who was faceless and emotionless. Kid is a savage. His mother said so. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: I think this is the product of drafting a QB that made a career of beating up the weak sisters of college football. I have said the kid had immense arm talent but that certainly was not on display today. I hope Zack is mentally tough enough to just move on from this. He made like 4 throws that only a few QB's can in this league. He's going to be fine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, More Cowbell said: This better just be a hiccup for Zack. If he turns out to be Geno Smith 2.0, this is over. No it hasn’t!! The worst thing about losing these games is fan stupidity. This is a rebuild. Saleh and Douglas will be here next season regardless of their record this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 JD is Zach and Zach is JD. His career is banking on this kid. Agree he won’t survive if kid doesn’t improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Maynard13 said: He made like 4 throws that only a few QB's can in this league. He's going to be fine. You are delusional. He was horrible today. His third pick the WR had beaten his man and he badly under-threw him. This was about as bad as I have ever seen a QB play. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Changing GM's and coaches every three years works really good. Exhibit A: the Jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: No it hasn’t!! The worst thing about losing these games is fan stupidity. This is a rebuild. Saleh and Douglas will be here next season regardless of their record this season. The first two passes he threw were both picked off. That means not only did he play bad, he was unprepared for what he was seeing. The only thing missing was the comment about seeing ghosts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Changing GM's and coaches every three years works really good. Exhibit A: the Jets Choosing the right ones is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Look how the board comes around to something I was buttfumbled prodigiously for a few short days ago lol 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Spoot-Face said: I've been a defender of JD thus far, but his fate is inextricably tied to Zach Wilson. Problem is he dumped tons of capital into OL and it’s worse… how can he fix OL, LBs, CBs, EDGE, RB all in one draft to make us competitive in 2022? Answer: he cannot. Earliest we will now be competitive has been pushed to 2023… and that’s if Zach hits… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 You see where this is going. Planes, banners and billboards! What are you guys waiting for? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, jgb said: Problem is he dumped tons of capital into OL and it’s worse… how can he fix OL, LBs, CBs, EDGE, RB all in one draft to make us competitive in 2022? Answer: he cannot. Earliest we will now be competitive has been pushed to 2023… and that’s if Zach hits… Yeah unfortunately this. Pissing away last years draft set the Jets back even further. Literally anyone besides Douglas making those picks would have done better. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I don't think you understand what "proven" means. Way too many assumptions after just two games for a rookie QB, playing for a rookie HC and OC. Am I shocked that Sam Darnold played two decent games? No. We knew he was capable of this. He hasn't proven that he can do it consistently. He has proven it because he never played two decent games in a row with the Jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, STLuLu said: He has proven it because he never played two decent games in a row with the Jets. I don't think you know what "proven" means. Two decent games in a row proves that he had two decent games in a row. It proves nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: Becton hasn’t stunk. That’s ridiculous. Moore nor AVT have not either. AVT was very good today. Wilson did today. He did not last week. Mims, Zuniga and Davis so far have disappointed. Davis has has hardly played because of injuries. I said it in the game thread and I’ll say it again here because I love to hear myself talk. Everyone wants to be the first to be right about someone. It makes us feel like our knowledge of the game is vindicated. But in reality the vast majority, myself included, come to there determinations without actually knowing sh*t. Even If they are right, it’s generally unfounded. Zuniga and Davis were horrible picks. The OL looked better without Becton. Our OC is a bad joke. I bet Zach could have used a homerun threat like Mims and a sure handed WR like Crowder, but no Berrios was the go to. Horrible personnel management and crap game plan. RB's were killing , and then we said ehhh lets air it out. On the plus side my favorite player AVT did better. We got it handed to us today. I just wanted to see improvement and progress. This was humiliatingly bad. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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