We have another Darnold...AKA Zack Wilson

[southparkcpa]

15 minutes ago, Big Snell said:

ALL GAS , NO GAS-X !!!!!

The fukking car doesn’t even start.   

[Barry McCockinner]

5 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

An average NFL receiver makes that catch 10% of the time. A hall of famer makes that catch 20% of the time. Too high and hard. It was a bad pass.

67% of stats are made up.

[C Mart]

1 minute ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

Not saying Wilson will be a bust because 2 games is way too little time to say that but I guarantee you said the same about Darnold. 

Did Wilson have the deer in headlights look? Look Overwhelmed?  No. He made dumb, rookie QB mistakes. 
 

If he’s still making these mistakes week 17 there’s a problem. 

[JetPotato]

6 minutes ago, C Mart said:

22-30 189 yrds.  0-0

 

Didn't turn the ball over and won?

What's that like anyway?

[nickfoshizal]

All I know Zach Wilson is still the jets career leader in passing ypg after today, he was after week one, and he will be for the rest of eternity. Or maybe it’s the apathy talking. 

[Mogglez]

15 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Coaching had nothing to do with Darnold failures? I must be reading this wrong. 

Yes you are lol.  I said this coaching staff.  As in LaFleur, Saleh, etc.

[DetroitRed]

21 minutes ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

Not saying Wilson will be a bust because 2 games is way too little time to say that but I guarantee you said the same about Darnold. 

I definitely said Sam would be good  and stick by that. I honestly think Zach will be a high level QB one day. Probably better than Sam.  Both can be true you know

[Jet25]

1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

I watched Zach Wilson ignore a wide open check down for a first down today to throw his second interception of the game on his second pass attempt.

Right now, yes, the Jets would be better off with Jones, who seems to know exactly where to go with the ball.

I have noticed that Wilson doesn't like easy check downs and rather try and make big plays happen. Hopefully he learns to do check downs rather than trying to force big plays to happen that's not there

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Sounds like year 3 of the QB whi is now 2-0 in Carolina.

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You make it sound like it’s a good thing that Wilson looks as bad as Sam did at his worst.

Here’s a news flash… it’s not. If the rookie #2 pick in the ‘21 draft  looks worse than the stiff you replaced him with, wtf did you gain?

It could be said that’s on the Jets for not having a veteran QB to start while Zach sat and learned, but that’s admitting two things… 1. that the organization has no idea how to develop a QB, and 2. Zach isn’t ready to be on the field yet. Neither of those options are good, but here we are.

Buckle up and enjoy the season!

[C Mart]

19 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Didn't turn the ball over and won?

What's that like anyway?

10 yard passes. The Brady/Belichick formula for 20 yrs. 

[Revis]

Today was a kick in the junk no doubt.  Was hype all week and had the family over for a bbq.

 

As disappointing and lackluster as Wilson was, we need to relax and take a step back.  Lawrence was awful, Fields mediocre in spot duty and Burrow in year 2 was shaky.  Give the kid a legit chance, the talent is oozing from his pores and he appears to have a good mental makeup and attitude.

 

It was a sh*t week but there were some bright spots today.  Carter is a baller at RB, dude reminds me of a stronger Leon Washington. Elijah Moore was open all day when he was man'd up.  We'll see what's what in Denver next week

[Gastineau Lives]

3 minutes ago, Revis said:

Today was a kick in the junk no doubt.  Was hype all week and had the family over for a bbq.

 

As disappointing and lackluster as Wilson was, we need to relax and take a step back.  Lawrence was awful, Fields mediocre in spot duty and Burrow in year 2 was shaky.  Give the kid a legit chance, the talent is oozing from his pores and he appears to have a good mental makeup and attitude.

 

It was a sh*t week but there were some bright spots today.  Carter is a baller at RB, dude reminds me of a stronger Leon Washington. Elijah Moore was open all day when he was man'd up.  We'll see what's what in Denver next week

He was single covered on the play where they called a third straight run inside the ten yard line. He beats guys in that situation. That play call sucked.

[oatmeal]

2 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

The OC should be ridiculed not our 22 year old QB who we are counting on. The kid has great skills but there is no rush, take it slow with the kid, Two players are apparently having problems with our offensive system.

 

This,

everyone wanted to kill mims for “not knowing every position” but anyone with common sense can see he isn’t the only one. Many receivers running one way while Zach is throwing the opposite.

Smfh trying to teach these kids algebra when they should be learning math rn. 

 

[Revis]

Just now, Gastineau Lives said:

He was single covered on the play where they called a third straight run inside the ten yard line. He beats guys in that situation. That play call sucked.

It was an absolute garbage sequence. On paper the game was a blowout. To me we were right there if the refs correctly call a fumble on the Pats opening drive, Wilson doesnt vomit on his jersey and that sequence goes different.

[NamathToCaster]

2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Yup.  I was at this sh*tshow.  There were absolutely zero positives from Zach.

I  did not see any of the game but sounds like Zach was as bad as his stat line shows.  Move on to next week and we will see if he shows any improvement.  That is the only thing we can hope for.  

[maury77]

1 hour ago, DetroitRed said:

Got to watch the Zach press conference.  Kid is going to be a big time player.  I’m on record

Based on his press conference? Sanchez and Darnold used to own up to their mistakes all the time, it didn't get them anywhere. Wilson may pan out, but its not going to be based upon how he answers questions in his press conferences. 

[DetroitRed]

1 minute ago, maury77 said:

Based on his press conference? Sanchez and Darnold used to own up to their mistakes all the time, it didn't get them anywhere. Wilson may pan out, but its not going to be based upon how he answers questions in his press conferences. 

True.  But,   Did you watch ?

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

2 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

Got to watch the Zach press conference.  Kid is going to be a big time player.  I’m on record

Watch the football game instead next time. Kid is trash

[CanadaSteve]

Listen, I wanted Sam gone too.  Didn't look like it would work after year one.  But ya got to admit; he has looked pretty good his first two games with an OL, a good WR corp, and a great RB.

[maury77]

1 hour ago, DetroitRed said:

True.  But,   Did you watch ?

I did not watch. But I. have a general idea what to expect. 

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

I expect an NFL QB, regardless. of being a rookie, to know and execute basic fundamentals that should have been coached into them from High School and college...namely, get rid of the ball out of bounds if coverage dictates and to not throw into double and triple coverage.....if they can't grasp these fundamental concepts then we have a problem and I am seeing a frightening pattern here.

[longsuffering88]

4 hours ago, Mogglez said:

I was there live.  There were wide receivers open.  He never saw them, and when he did, he was extremely late.  The long ball early to Moore?  That should have been a TD.  Moore was wide open right away and Zach completely blew that opportunity for 6.

I don’t care that it’s his second game and after what I saw today up close, I especially don’t care what you think of LaFleur.  He had to scheme his entire game plan around a QB who, as of today, doesn’t belong on the NFL stage.  There were plenty of opportunities and Zach, no one else, didn’t execute.

Yep

 

he looks like a low level rookie

 

holding onto the ball too long

 

indecisive

But hopefully he gets better

[JustInFudge]

That was one of the worst QB performances I've seen in my life.  It's way too early to know anything about Zach Wilson's NFL career. 

What we do know, is what we already knew (well some of us), he's a huge project and has a long way to go.  It's an absolute travesty this GM and Coaching Staff did not have a veteran in here to start the season. 

[Jets Things]

45 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

Listen, I wanted Sam gone too.  Didn't look like it would work after year one.  But ya got to admit; he has looked pretty good his first two games with an OL, a good WR corp, and a great RB.

I could dump off to McCaffrey and look good. Half of Darnolds yards are from McCaffrey YAC. 

[Green Ghost]

4 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Rookie qbs are struggling big time in their 2nd games?  How is this possible?

There’s a big difference between “struggling” and sh**ting the bed.

[oatmeal]

Joe Burrow literally threw 3 ints in 3 passes and Zach the rookie is getting destroyed in his second game by fans and the media…

 

great job ?

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

1 minute ago, oatmeal said:

Joe Burrow literally threw 3 ints in 3 passes and Zach the rookie is getting destroyed in his second game by fans and the media…

 

great job ?

Not all interceptions are equal..conversely, there were wide open receivers all day long that Wilson either didn't see or more likely, was laser focused on the ones that were not the best choices...the pattern here is not good and IMO he is not ready to be a starter.

[Green Ghost]

3 hours ago, C Mart said:

Did Wilson have the deer in headlights look? Look Overwhelmed?  No. He made dumb, rookie QB mistakes. 
 

If he’s still making these mistakes week 17 there’s a problem. 

Today was his “you get one of these” games. He has another one like this, it’s not an outlier. It’s who he is.

We went through the same bs with Darnold, the excuses, passing the blame everything and one but him. I don’t think that will fly again, fair or not with this kid.

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Today was his “you get one of these” games. He has another one like this, it’s not an outlier. It’s who he is.

We went through the same bs with Darnold, the excuses, passing the blame everything and one but him. I don’t think that will fly again, fair or not with this kid.

Very true...all this fanbase wants at this stage is to see basic fundamentals executed...NY sports fans know more than they are given credit for..in all sports..it's not so much about losing but rather, seeing a certain level of competence from someone that was drafted so high...is that too much to ask at this point? 

[Green Ghost]

1 minute ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said:

Very true...all this fanbase wants at this stage is to see basic fundamentals executed...NY sports fans know more than they are given credit for..in all sports..it's not so much about losing but rather, seeing a certain level of competence from someone that was drafted so high...is that too much to ask at this point? 

Exactly. The kid was so bad it was comical. It was another ghost game, plain and simple. He gets one of these… he has another next week against Denver he’s got to sit.
Do what they did with Darnold. Make up an injury, put him in a walking boot for a couple of weeks and hope he can clear his head and start over. It didn’t work 3 years ago, but who knows, it might with Zach.

 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

5 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

He was atrocious but let's maybe give it 5 games?

Or maybe 3 seasons ?   5 games is nothing.  Rookie top pick QBs get 3 seasons. Relax and buckle up. It's a long ride.

[CanadaSteve]

5 hours ago, Jets Things said:

I could dump off to McCaffrey and look good. Half of Darnolds yards are from McCaffrey YAC. 

68 percent completion rate in two games, averaging 290 Yards a game,  3 TD's throwing, 1 rushing, 1 INT, with a QB rating over 100.00.  McCaffrey only accounts for 89 of Darnold's 580 yards though.  Pretty close!

[CanadaSteve]

4 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Or maybe 3 seasons ?   5 games is nothing.  Rookie top pick QBs get 3 seasons. Relax and buckle up. It's a long ride.

Peyton Manning year one 1998 Indianapolis 16 575 326 3739 26 28 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3

[jgb]

6 hours ago, JiFapono said:

That was one of the worst QB performances I've seen in my life.  It's way too early to know anything about Zach Wilson's NFL career. 

What we do know, is what we already knew (well some of us), he's a huge project and has a long way to go.  It's an absolute travesty this GM and Coaching Staff did not have a veteran in here to start the season. 

Yep. Could've had a Trubisky or Minshew. Just like we could've had Tannehill a couple years ago. Also, I'm just going to leave this here:

******

Scouting Report: QB Zach Wilson 6’3” 209 (BYU)

Zach Wilson is a polished and erratic athletic quarterback who broke out in his junior season against a weak schedule and inferior level of competition. There is a lot of hype surrounding this kid, but in reality, he only looks like a glorified high school quarterback who excels at sandlot football. Operates exclusively out of shotgun formation.

Well schooled in terms of quarterback mechanics and fundamentals. However, overuses play-action fake — does it all the time and he does not hide the ball well. Often it looks like a wasted motion. Good pocket poise and toughness. Good mobility and athleticism — can step up and roll in either direction, but far more effective and has a tendency to roll out to his right. Smart and makes quick decisions with the ball. Looks really good overall in the pocket, but that is where referring to him as “good” ends.

I watched every one of his throws and runs in 2020 and I am not seeing it or feeling it with this guy in terms of arm strength, touch, ball placement, or accuracy. Half of his throws look great and half of them look receiver “unfriendly,” or downright bad. Many passes were high or low and were either incomplete or he gave the receivers literally no chance to pick up additional yards. It literally and consistently was like watching two different quarterbacks throw. He will be an interception machine in the NFL. 

I really question how he will do throwing a larger NFL regulation football opposed to the smaller college regulation football he has been throwing. Seemed to do best throwing to wide open receivers or against zone defenses. I counted a good number of throws when receivers literally had to stand there and wait on the ball to get to them. Tends to put too much air under passes, they look like they take too long to get there and did not show much zip or mustard on the football in his junior season. Tends to work short and deep routes with mixed results. Deep passes are a 50-50 jump ball half the time. Covers up for lack of arm strength, touch and accuracy in the intermediate level by primarily only working sidelines. Tends to stay out of working the middle of the field in that range, especially in tight man. I was not impressed with his downfield results whatsoever.

Clearly and undoubtedly lacks consistency. Gives off a quirky vibe and energy. Absolutely at his best inside the 10-yard line. Throws excellent fade routes in those situations. Fades inside the 10 are his best pass. Has the ability to take off and run, but only averaged 3.0 yards per carry in his college career. However, I was more impressed with him as a runner than a thrower. Tends to do best when ad-libbing and has some Houdini to his game with a shovel and sidearmed passes. There is absolutely nothing dominant to his game combined with average arm and accuracy. Classic overhyped player. Manufactured quarterback. Surefire bust.

Where would I draft Zach Wilson?

Daniel Kelly’s Draft Board: 3rd round — and I would not select him if I was a GM. He would not even be on my draft board. It would be foolish to take him in the first round. He will get everybody fired. Best chance to succeed is in an offense filled with trick plays. 

Probability of being a bust: Extremely high. 

If I were a GM, this is the question I need to be answered in my mind about Zach Wilson: His uncle owns Jet Blue airlines. I would need to get a clear understanding and feel for his level of entitlement whether it is low or high, that would be a must. 

My Top 10 concerns about Wilson:

-Accuracy and ball placement. Lacks consistent touch. Erratic. All over the road in these three areas throughout the 2020 season. This is as clear as day on the game film. 

-Approximately half of the deep passes are “50-50” jump balls. At least that is how it seemed watching him throw. That story will not have a happy ending in the NFL. 

-He will now have to throw a larger-sized football. He struggled enough throwing a smaller regulation-sized football, I can not imagine how much he will struggle to go to the NFL and now having to throw an even larger regulation-sized football. 

-Level of competition. After two very domestic statistical seasons at BYU, he “broke out” in his junior season against a weak schedule, inferior level of competition who played a lot of zone. It seemed like the schedule was made to purposely make him artificially shine. I was not impressed even watching his full body of work at the college level he played at — I believe he will struggle mightily with competition in the NFL, which will be dramatically more skilled, faster, and more complex. This is a grave concern. Out of all the games in 2020, looked best vs. UCF. I have watched the game for 40 years and Wilson looks very average when I compare him to all the quarterbacks I have seen play in the NFL. He is nowhere near as good as RGIII when he was drafted. It is not even a comparison, to be honest. If this kid had played his college football in the SEC, we would not know his name. 

-Throwing arm (shoulder injury) and previous surgeries. Watching him throw I think this is a lot bigger issue than anyone is admitting. He puts air, sometimes too much air under a majority of the passes he throws. The film does not lie. Rarely put much heat on passes. Lacks consistent zip on the football. 

-At BYU he ranks 9th all-time on an extremely average list of their schools’ top 10 list in yardage. Outside of Steve Young (who was a star in the NFL), he ranks behind an extremely mediocre group of names; Ty Detmer, Max Hall, John Beck, Robbie Bosco, John Walsh, and Kevin Fiterik. That is an awful sign. I remember watching Detmer, who was a career NFL back-up. Detmer was dramatically better in my mind. That is alarming. 

-Lack of instincts for the position of quarterback. He looks like a “manufactured QB,” In other words, he looks like a good athlete who was trained and well-coached to be a quarterback. He does not at all look like someone who was born to be a quarterback.

-Ran offense exclusively out of shotgun formation. There will be a real adjustment period if the team that drafts him plans on playing in a traditional drop-back system. 

-A number of times his receivers literally had to stand there and wait for football to arrive on shorter intermediate routes. Those will be pick-sixes in the NFL. 

-Can take off and run but only averaged 3.0 yards per carry in his college career. Nobody will ever mistake Wilson with Randall Cunningham or Michael Vick. He is not a quarterback who will beat any teams in the NFL with his feet. Not remotely elusive.

-How NFL defenses will beat him: Play tight man coverage, bracket coverages, and force him to funnel throws to the middle of the field. Send heavy array of blitzes off the defense’s left side and take away his ability to roll out to his right, which he loves to do. Hit him hard early and often, bully him, talk a lot of trash and get under his skin. Dare him to respond. Take away fade inside the 10 — and take away his ability to run a play-action and to try to run it in.

Daniel Kelly is a former NFL scout with the New York Jets. He was hired on the regime which featured Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, Scott Pioli, and Dick Haley. He currently writes for Sports Illustrated Detroit Lions and he is a contributing evaluator for Draft Diamonds. For more information about him visit his website at whateverittakesbook.com. He can be followed on Twitter @danielkellybook and his Facebook page is WHATEVER IT TAKES NFL TALK. 

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/03/zach-wilson-4/

[The Crusher]

10 hours ago, JetPotato said:

Do Mac Jones

Pats are doing with Mac Jones what we did with Zach In preseason. You will see the real Mac Jones once they need points to win.