Popular Post Paradis Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 credit @JiFapono 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Instead of Scott jumping on the free Denzel bandwagon, maybe he can find someone to help him figure out how to move up the depth chart. While i never expected the Jets to win in the first 4/5 games - I can't wait for a win so we can stop with the trade for this guy, free this guy, send this guy to the booth threads. Of course, after 1 win, we will see a ton of 'making the playoffs' threads, but a loss will stop that fast 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 credit: @Spoot-Face 1 1 2 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kevinc855 Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 The Moore not in the slot thing annoys me most 15 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, bostonmajet said: Instead of Scott jumping on the free Denzel bandwagon, maybe he can find someone to help him figure out how to move up the depth chart. While i never expected the Jets to win in the first 4/5 games - I can't wait for a win so we can stop with the trade for this guy, free this guy, send this guy to the booth threads. Of course, after 1 win, we will see a ton of 'making the playoffs' threads, but a loss will stop that fast 100% We still don’t know who this team is. The coaches, the players, the scheme, etc. are still figuring themselves out. There is no pattern yet to the things that might be working and those that are failing…..and more importantly, why. Move the coach upstairs, make a dramatic roster change, trade Zach Wilson and go get the butt-finger guy from Houston??? I wish I could say I’m surprised to see threads like that after only week 2, but it tends to be par for the course around here. We shouldn’t make any changes until we know what the real problems are. Example - The offensive line in Week 1 looked like trash. Should we have changed out two or three players, changed the scheme, replaced the offensive line coach, etc.? No, adjustments were made and we saw some of the best grades we’ve ever seen on guys like McGovern in Week 2. That unit, the protection, the rushing game all looked better. i’m not suggesting that we have infinite patience, but talking about any major change prior to the halfway point of the season is simply nuts to me. 6 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 You have to respect that Paradis will go to the ******* mattresses for any receiver over 6’2”, anytime, anywhere 1 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 This Denzel Mims crap is getting to ridiculous levels. Just what has this guy done for people to think he is the next Jerry Rice being kept down by the coaches. Injured half his 1st year with a hamstring injury, a whopping 24 catches 0.0 Tds in his career. We get to this years camp and we expect camp reports to say the guy is tearing it up and has taken a big step. Instead he plummets down the depth chart. We all thought he was a great pick and a steal. He has done very little to force the issue and make the team give him a bigger role. If this guy is el beasto and showing it in practice and camp he would be playing. He has dug himself a hole and it is up to him to dig his way out. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, dbatesman said: You have to respect that Paradis will go to the ******* mattresses for any receiver over 6’2”, anytime, anywhere or QBs that are 6'7" 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: This Denzel Mims crap is getting to ridiculous levels. Just what has this guy done for people to think he is the next Jerry Rice being kept down by the coaches. Injured half his 1st year with a hamstring injury, a whopping 24 catches 0.0 Tds in his career. We get to this years camp and we expect camp reports to say the guy is tearing it up and has taken a big step. Instead he plummets down the depth chart. We all thought he was a great pick and a steal. He has done very little to force the issue and make the team give him a bigger role. If this guy is el beasto and showing it in practice and camp he would be playing. He has dug himself a hole and it is up to him to dig his way out. These are the same people who thought trading down passing on Claypool and drafting Mims and a 3rd string QB was genius. I think they have convinced themselves Denzel Mims is Randy Moss over the past 2 years. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paradis Posted September 21, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, dbatesman said: You have to respect that Paradis will go to the ******* mattresses for any receiver over 6’2”, anytime, anywhere When your team has made an art out of incompetence - you have to find something to hang on to, friend. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Charlie Brown Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 There are scores of HOF WRs who didn't know every route tree of of every WR on the team... Knock it off! 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 it's only game 2. if mims is good enough he'll play and start over the other guys. at this point i'd rather give the coaches the benefit of the doubt over any particular player. it sounds like it's being spun like lafleur doesn't know what he's doing and so on. maybe so. it's easy to overlook the fact he's a newbie oc. but there are enough veteran coaches on the team to give saleh advice and hopefully they're speaking up. and mims wouldn't have made much difference in the outcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alka Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 This is exactly what I said in another thread after the Patriots game. Put Moore in the slot, put Mims on the outside. It's a no-brainer move. If Saleh is going to continue to take this stance, then he already is losing his luster, at least in my eyes. As was said, "Don't tell me what he can't do, tell me what he can do". Make it happen Saleh!!! 9 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It’s common sense Saleh needs to get his head out of his ass this guy is talking about him being the 5th receiver and knowing all the routes and the Special Teams ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SR24 Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, Beerfish said: This Denzel Mims crap is getting to ridiculous levels. Just what has this guy done for people to think he is the next Jerry Rice being kept down by the coaches. Injured half his 1st year with a hamstring injury, a whopping 24 catches 0.0 Tds in his career. We get to this years camp and we expect camp reports to say the guy is tearing it up and has taken a big step. Instead he plummets down the depth chart. We all thought he was a great pick and a steal. He has done very little to force the issue and make the team give him a bigger role. If this guy is el beasto and showing it in practice and camp he would be playing. He has dug himself a hole and it is up to him to dig his way out. Who is making him out to be the next Jerry rice?? The team invested a high pick in him and the fanbase wants to see him play. The people that he is stuck behind aren’t doing anything and in the one opportunity he got he ripped a 40 yard reception. I don’t care about the busted coverage he got open made the play end of story. The fans have every right to question these decisions and be upset about them. He has four less yards than Elijah Moore on 11 less targets, brings more size and speed to the outside and is also a quality run blocker. Any NYJ fan who watched the best slot receiver in last year‘s draft play outside all game while Mims was in sweatpants should be angry… 5 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 37 minutes ago, Beerfish said: This Denzel Mims crap is getting to ridiculous levels. Just what has this guy done for people to think he is the next Jerry Rice being kept down by the coaches. Injured half his 1st year with a hamstring injury, a whopping 24 catches 0.0 Tds in his career. We get to this years camp and we expect camp reports to say the guy is tearing it up and has taken a big step. Instead he plummets down the depth chart. We all thought he was a great pick and a steal. He has done very little to force the issue and make the team give him a bigger role. If this guy is el beasto and showing it in practice and camp he would be playing. He has dug himself a hole and it is up to him to dig his way out. In writing, it is always said you need to find "the note behind the note." For example, you get a note: "the plot is so complex, with twists and turns that required my full engagement and focus." Translation: "The plot is a convoluted mess and I was skimming halfway through because I didn't know WTF was going on anymore." In Mims' case, I think the note behind the note is that he just isn't very good. All this "must know every route" stuff -- while not exactly BS -- would not keep him off the field if he brought enough to the table to help the team on Sundays. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 45 minutes ago, Beerfish said: This Denzel Mims crap is getting to ridiculous levels. Just what has this guy done for people to think he is the next Jerry Rice being kept down by the coaches. Injured half his 1st year with a hamstring injury, a whopping 24 catches 0.0 Tds in his career. We get to this years camp and we expect camp reports to say the guy is tearing it up and has taken a big step. Instead he plummets down the depth chart. We all thought he was a great pick and a steal. He has done very little to force the issue and make the team give him a bigger role. If this guy is el beasto and showing it in practice and camp he would be playing. He has dug himself a hole and it is up to him to dig his way out. Paradis is like Landru in that old Star Trek episode. And it is clear, Captain Beerfish, that you are not part of the body! You must be absorbed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drums Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, undertow said: These are the same people who thought trading down passing on Claypool and drafting Mims and a 3rd string QB was genius. I think they have convinced themselves Denzel Mims is Randy Moss over the past 2 years. Is Jeff f*cking Smith Randy Moss? Cause that is why some of us are annoyed. Berrios is better in the slot but I bet Moore and Mims is better than Moore and Berrios. I don’t know who fits into your generalization though. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Wooty Doo Doo Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, SR24 said: Who is making him out to be the next Jerry rice?? The team invested a high pick in him and the fanbase wants to see him play. The people that he is stuck behind aren’t doing anything and in the one opportunity he got he ripped a 40 yard reception. I don’t care about the busted coverage he got open made the play end of story. The fans have every right to question these decisions and be upset about them. He has four less yards than Elijah Moore on 11 less targets, brings more size and speed to the outside and is also a quality run blocker. Any NYJ fan who watched the best slot receiver in last year‘s draft play outside all game while Mims was in sweatpants should be angry… Considering there have been about 12 posts regarding 1 guy ......ummmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 “It is your job as a coach to utilize him.” I agree with that point all day. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 54 minutes ago, Beerfish said: This Denzel Mims crap is getting to ridiculous levels. Just what has this guy done for people to think he is the next Jerry Rice being kept down by the coaches. Injured half his 1st year with a hamstring injury, a whopping 24 catches 0.0 Tds in his career. We get to this years camp and we expect camp reports to say the guy is tearing it up and has taken a big step. Instead he plummets down the depth chart. We all thought he was a great pick and a steal. He has done very little to force the issue and make the team give him a bigger role. If this guy is el beasto and showing it in practice and camp he would be playing. He has dug himself a hole and it is up to him to dig his way out. I dont see anyone calling him Jerry Rice but after 2 weeks of Football, the Jets leading receiver is Braxton Berrios. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Drums said: Is Jeff f*cking Smith Randy Moss? Cause that is why some of us are annoyed. Berrios is better in the slot but I bet Moore and Mims is better than Moore and Berrios. I don’t know who fits into your generalization though. My point is freaking out over the 4th and 5th WR spot on this level is mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jet_Engine1 Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 Everything the Jets have done for 50 years has been them doing something very, very stupid while THEY thought they were being brilliant. Its the same sh*t. Stop overcomplicating sh*t. You aren't Bellichick. You don't have a 20 year old system that only specific types of players function in. You have a guy you drafted in the second round who is bigger, faster, stronger, can jump higher, and is tougher to tackle than most on your roster, but you refuse to play him because he's dumb?? Because he isn't BUILT to be a slot receiver, and we need the immortal Braxton ******* Berrios on the field because he tries hard?? Are you kidding me?? Stop being assholes, give him a simplified role, and get him on the field, you jackasses! LOL. Somebody send theses pretenders and wannabes a copy of Extreme Ownership!! ? Morans! 6 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, undertow said: My point is freaking out over the 4th and 5th WR spot on this level is mental. Haha this is the Jets forum, people freak out over less. I don’t know how many people are super serious with this specific issue either. Some are having a little fun with it I think. With that said, isn’t it disappointing when that 4/5 WR is basically a jag and you have a pretty good WR that has actually made some plays getting deactivated? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, jgb said: For example, you get a note: "the plot is so complex, with twists and turns that required my full engagement and focus." Translation: "The plot is a convoluted mess and I was skimming halfway through because I didn't know WTF was going on anymore." Mims' case, I think the note behind the note is that he just isn't very good. All this "must know every route" stuff -- while not exactly BS -- would not keep him off the field if he brought enough to the table to help the team on Sundays. That's interesting; your example calls out the author, and yet with our situation, you flipped the script to call out the story. ? Being consistent would require you to point the figure at the author LaFleur, but its seems some of you are happy giving the 1st year OC a pass and the guy who's made plays in the past, a crucifix. It's a a take, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Paradis said: credit @JiFapono I could have just waited and used this for the other thread lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Steven Hill all over again. It turned out the reasons he was not seeing playing time were good ones. Pretty sure the same is true here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, Paradis said: That's interesting; your example calls out the author, and yet with our situation, you flipped the script to call out the story. ? Being consistent would require you to point the figure at the author LaFleur, but its seems some of you are happy giving the 1st year OC a pass and the guy who's made plays in the past, a crucifix. It's a a take, I guess. It's called an example not an exact. And by the way, in my example, it's very possible that Lafleur is wrong in his assessment. But if Lafleur believes that Mims could help this team and Zach yet refuses to play him because feelings/reasons, well, that's a worse problem and honestly I'd like to leave a sliver of optimism at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Bart Scott is a dick. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Johnny Mitchell had that one game, didn't he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, undertow said: These are the same people who thought trading down passing on Claypool and drafting Mims and a 3rd string QB was genius. I think they have convinced themselves Denzel Mims is Randy Moss over the past 2 years. are we sure the pick would be claypool (not in hindsight)? from my memory around here everyone was excited we got our player and a free draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, batman10023 said: are we sure the pick would be claypool (not in hindsight)? from my memory around here everyone was excited we got our player and a free draft pick. Different coaches, different system. Somehow, that seems lost with all this hand wringing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Paradis said: credit @JiFapono This was an excellent anaysis of why Mims should be rotating on the WR set. 3 WR set Davis Mims, Crowder/Moore - 4 WR set Davis, Mims, Crowder, Moore. Cole, Berrios, Smith - its just overkill. These guys are backups in case of injury. Send Smith to practice squad. Not a Berrios fan. Useless as a punt returner and Moore would be able to get more reps. Why do you even pick guys like Moore and Mims and dont play them the whole game? Asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: I dont see anyone calling him Jerry Rice but after 2 weeks of Football, the Jets leading receiver is Braxton Berrios. The epitomy of futility 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, jgb said: It's called an example not an exact. And by the way, in my example, it's very possible that Lafleur is wrong in his assessment. But if Lafleur believes that Mims could help this team and Zach yet refuses to play him because feelings/reasons, well, that's a worse problem and honestly I'd like to leave a sliver of optimism at this time. cmon.... I get the point that you were making, but i also pointed the fallacy/bias/inconsistency in your narrative. One writer to another, just say - you got me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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