joewilly12 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jet Life said: Will Saleh fire his buddy Lafluer? Doubtful. We are stuck with this disaster for a while. Buckle up If Robert Saleh won't fix his mistake then at least bring in an offensive assistant to help the very bad OC Mike Lafleur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Jets fans blaming Lafleur for Zach being an epic bust 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Just now, Albaniajet said: Jets fans blaming Lafleur for Zach being an epic bust The play calling sucks 1st-2nd-3rd-4th down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzyJet Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: I agree .. send this kid to Bora Bora until the jets resemble an NFL caliber team. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk Explaining to Zach why he's being benched: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 He never should have started in the 1st place. We should have had a vet in here to start at least the 1st half of the year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He never should have started in the 1st place. We should have had a vet in here to start at least the 1st half of the year. I think this QB draft class may put a damper on the start em week 1 thing. Remember this is a very recent development. Most smart teams sat rookie talent one year. The game is to fast for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: I think this QB draft class may put a damper on the start em week 1 thing. Remember this is a very recent development. Most smart teams sat rookie talent one year. The game is to fast for them. So much depends on the development of other parts of your team. Teams like Arizona and Buffalo and the Chargers were well on their way in team development before getting the QB. This is one reason I was an early proponent of keeping Darnold and trading down last year. Build the team to at least being solid THEN go get your QB. Hell it even worked last time we were good. Mark Sanchez walked into a near fully built team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, JazzyJet said: Explaining to Zach why he's being benched: Serenity know, insanity later. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Pichula said: This kid has talent oozing through his veins, he is better than I thought Great at evading the rush, rocket arm, tough as nails Drafting him over Darnold was the right move He nor any QB in NFL history can play the position under these circumstances The problem with the OL is the players. Until Fant, McGovern, and Van Roten are replaced they will continue to embarrass themselves. John Benton is a good OL coach, yet they look the same as last year. Why? The players are the same. There is no solution there Mike Lafleur is in over his head and has proven to be utterly incapable of designing an offense or calling plays to protect his QB. He is not an innovator. Sit Wilson, let LaFleur get fired at the end of the year and use every asset you have next year to actually fix the OL and get a TE You know that wont happen. LaPuke is here to stay. It would look really bad on Saleh to fire him. Would make him look like a novice HC. Which he is. But I just dont see that happenning. They'll just keep trying to upgrade the talent level over time and use that as an excuse. And with that, it will get better but you are 100% correct, LaPuke is way way way over his head here. The OL is the key here. Unfortunately, they only have 2 pieces to work with: Becton, who is a big question mark and AVT. They need a center, right guard and right tackle. Thats not an easy fix but other teams have seemingly developed a good OL in a couple years. JD needs to stop wasting his picks and upgrade the damn OL FIRST. Yes he drafted Becton and AVT with 1st round picks but the OL needs to be a priority next year. Sign a FA, draft a tackle with one of the 1st round picks and grab a guard with their 2nd rounder. Our depth on the OL sucks as well. Next draft in the first 3 rounds: OL, LB, edge. These are our weakest points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 24 7 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 From an outsiders perspective......... I think your coaching staff made a huge mistake thinking they could fill the void of a veteran voice in the locker room. This decision is even more unfathomable when you account for all these coaches being first timers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: You could have Vince Lombardi as HC and Don Coryell as OC and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference. Once again, this is NOT an NFL Roster. I remember a few years ago on these boards where I projected that Darnold would be putting up 300 yard passing days in his sleep, and pretty soon, after he adjusted to the speed of the game. Three years later I asked myself how I could have been so wrong....looks like I might have been too quick to criticize myself, maybe someone like Tony Romo, who knows way more than me feels the same way, he projected Darnold to be a Top 3 QB quickly and then the #1 passer in the entire league. What happened? Simple answer. Those tasked at building the Jet Roster should have been arrested. Darnold never played a down with an NFL team, he is now. I think the two 300 yard games he has put up in his first 3 games this year equal his total 300 yard games with the Jets in 3 years. Zach Wilson is in the exact same predicament. Sit him down. Completely disagree. Great HC would get better results from the talent on the team. They would also make the GM get the groceries they need. Lombardi would have shaped the team and organization in his image. There are certain HC throughout the history of the league who were both inovators and flexiable enough to wipe the floor with their opponents because they were so much smarter and better prepared than their opponents. Bart Starr was a second tier QB until Lombardi got a hold of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensedoesntgetyoulaid Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, k-met57 said: i think this is what the Bills did with Allen his rookie year if i remember when he "got hurt". That did him the world of good as a rookie. When he came back he didn't suddenly look like an incredible player but you could see everything was slowing down for him week to week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 "We are going to lift you up, not the other way around." Remember that? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Completely disagree. Great HC would get better results from the talent on the team. They would also make the GM get the groceries they need. Lombardi would have shaped the team and organization in his image. There are certain HC throughout the history of the league who were both inovators and flexiable enough to wipe the floor with their opponents because they were so much smarter and better prepared than their opponents. Bart Starr was a second tier QB until Lombardi got a hold of him.No rookie head coach ever made any GM in any sport get players.Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Biggs said: Completely disagree. Great HC would get better results from the talent on the team. They would also make the GM get the groceries they need. Lombardi would have shaped the team and organization in his image. There are certain HC throughout the history of the league who were both inovators and flexiable enough to wipe the floor with their opponents because they were so much smarter and better prepared than their opponents. Bart Starr was a second tier QB until Lombardi got a hold of him. Oh I agree with everything you just wrote, that’s going on the assumption they had a chance to build something. I’m suggesting that if Lombardi stepped in tomorrow I don’t think the results would be all that different next Sunday, the Sunday after or much of the rest of the season, this Roster is that putrid. But you don’t even have to go back all that far to understand your point, although it still took a little time along with bringing in some of “his guys”, when Bill Parcells took Kotite’s 1-15 team and came incredibly close to being in the Super Bowl only 2 years later with many of the same players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dunnie said: No rookie head coach ever made any GM in any sport get players. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk Bill Walsh took over the entire 49ers draft in his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Pretty sad how a bunch of Jets fans on a message board, including myself, saw this coming before the season but our coaching staff/front office did not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, jetspenguin said: "We are going to lift you up, not the other way around." Remember that? Meant we are gonna lift you off the ground after 2 dlineman pile drive you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, munchmemory said: Shelve Zack? Finally something which makes some sense. Maybe JD can trade for Minshew before the season starts so the kid can get his feet underneath him. JD is always on top of stuff like this which is why he's the cream of the crop of GMs. What? The season started three weeks ago? The Eagles already made the Minshew deal? Okay, forget it. I'm sure JD has a backup plan. Minshew would’ve been a good pick up. CC: @jgb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Bill Walsh took over the entire 49ers draft in his rookie year. Thats one ... and the team back then looked like ...Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Pichula said: This kid has talent oozing through his veins, he is better than I thought Great at evading the rush, rocket arm, tough as nails Drafting him over Darnold was the right move He nor any QB in NFL history can play the position under these circumstances The problem with the OL is the players. Until Fant, McGovern, and Van Roten are replaced they will continue to embarrass themselves. John Benton is a good OL coach, yet they look the same as last year. Why? The players are the same. There is no solution there Mike Lafleur is in over his head and has proven to be utterly incapable of designing an offense or calling plays to protect his QB. He is not an innovator. Sit Wilson, let LaFleur get fired at the end of the year and use every asset you have next year to actually fix the OL and get a TE Last week I would have disagreed. But I have to say based on the "progression" of Zach from Week 2 to Week 3 combined with the BS coming in public media from GVR and our "center" I would just promote Josh Johnson for the remainder of the season and let Zach just learn and then have a fresh offseason with hopefully a completely new OL (outside of AVT and possibly Becton) next year. He is the real deal but yesterday showed we can wreck him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, kmnj said: stated it before the season and after game one it was a no brainer-the team is terrible and Joe has failed Wilson just like he failed Sam He has no line, no rbs and no tight ends and berrios is the guy we are using as are one FU JOE SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Pichula said: We need to shelve Zach for the year That isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Albaniajet Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, joewilly12 said: The play calling sucks 1st-2nd-3rd-4th down. It’s like blaming Brian Schitty for Sanchez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Biggs said: Bill Walsh took over the entire 49ers draft in his rookie year. Bill Walsh was arguably the greatest head coach ever in football history. Our coaching staff sucks and the qb sucks harder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Albaniajet said: It’s like blaming Brian Schitty for Sanchez It's Adam Gase fault same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Just now, joewilly12 said: It's Adam Gase fault same thing. Gase has a consistent history of his players getting way better once they get away from him I agree with everyone that Lefleur is not good but the real problem is neither is Zach Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Just now, Albaniajet said: Gase has a consistent history of his players getting way better once they get away from him I agree with everyone that Lefleur is not good but the real problem is neither is Zach Wilson Zach Wilson is a victim of circumstance right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Zach Wilson is a victim of circumstance right now. We’re still doing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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