Zach needs to get the ball out quicker

[Gastineau Lives]

5 minutes ago, maury77 said:

We need to add an orgasm button for posts like this. 

So the idea that the QB on which this franchise rests is a complete mess, always was and somehow the GM missed it makes you come. Interesting.

Hold on, I got a better one: The offensive line is a sh*tshow, the playcalling is atrocious, he's had about 15 dropped passes and he has 1.7 seconds to throw the ball. How's that? Like porn, no?

[maury77]

3 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

So the idea that the QB on which this franchise rests is a complete mess, always was and somehow the GM missed it makes you come. Interesting.

Hold on, I got a better one: The offensive line is a sh*tshow, the playcalling is atrocious, he's had about 15 dropped passes and he has 1.7 seconds to throw the ball. How's that? Like porn, no?

Actually the only thing that makes me orgasm quickly are photos of you in leather chaps, but my point was that I thoroughly agreed with JIF's post. If that upsets you (shrug)

[Gastineau Lives]

6 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Actually the only thing that makes me orgasm quickly are photos of you in leather chaps

You googled, huh?

[rtnelson]

You could take your pick of any QB in the league past, present or future and they are not getting this offense out of the bottom third of the league as it currently stands.  At this stage you have to trust that they will figure something out or we're going to hear a lot of "worst since the merger" stats this year.

I have a hard time blaming this on a rookie QB even though he has made mistakes.  

[#27TheDominator]

16 minutes ago, rtnelson said:

You could take your pick of any QB in the league past, present or future and they are not getting this offense out of the bottom third of the league as it currently stands.  At this stage you have to trust that they will figure something out or we're going to hear a lot of "worst since the merger" stats this year.

I have a hard time blaming this on a rookie QB even though he has made mistakes.  

You guys seem to forget; when baby Shanny took over SF.  They started 0-9 and 1-10.  They were in single digits the first two games.  They picked up as the year went on and when Garoppolo came in they won their last 5.  The next year Garoppolo got hurt and they went 4-12.  The following season they went 13-3.  These guys have been though this before and came out a success.  We've been through this before and haven't.  

[T0mShane]

1. There was a play this week where Wilson was taking a five-step drop and his center actually beat him to the spot (flying backwards) after getting lit up by DreMont Jones. 
 

2. the only reason we’re having this conversation is because Greg Van Roten—who is possibly the worst offensive lineman to receive playing time here since Wayne Hunter—threw Wilson under the bus. Saleh has to get control of these fringe losers before they split the locker room into tiny little pieces.

3. It would be a mistake to try and turn Wilson into a traditional pocket passer. He is simply too small to live that life, and his talents clearly lie elsewhere. If they wanted to draft the next Ryan Fitzpatrick, they should have just taken Mac Jones. Saleh saying Wilson should be more “boring” is the type of idiocy that ruins QB prospects. Make the offense fit the QB, and not the other way around. 

[Jetsfan80]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You know how I get when you dress up like Vinny Testaverde. 

 

[UnknownJetFan]

10 hours ago, heymangold said:

But GVR said he needed to get the ball out / and McGovern said it was AVT’s fault 

Wilson would have to throw the ball as soon as it is snapped to him to get it out quick enough. Maybe they should put him in the shotgun more to save the time coming back from center.

[HawkeyeJet]

 In addition to whatever issues Wilson is having following issues also exist:

1.  OC is struggling.  Play calling, rhythm and design all have come into question.

2.  Running game has been mostly non existent.

3. OL, especially interior, has been very bad.

4.  We have had several drops, and at least 4 on drive extending plays.

5.  TE are a key cog to the offense schematically, but we have one of the worst groups in the league.

Wilson needs to do a better job at taking the layups when they present themselves, but I don’t think they are there that often.  If trying to make something out of nothing is hero ball then I guess he plays hero ball.  Someone has to makes plays though, so if not him, then who?  

[UnknownJetFan]

Maybe Van Rotten read the stat below, but yes, if 8 of the Wilson sacks are holding the ball for 4.5 seconds then between him and the OC they have to devise plays and for any passing play get rid of the ball much quicker than that:

 

[Gastineau Lives]

5 hours ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Maybe Van Rotten read the stat below, but yes, if 8 of the Wilson sacks are holding the ball for 4.5 seconds then between him and the OC they have to devise plays and for any passing play get rid of the ball much quicker than that:

 

According to my math:

1.7 seconds before pocket collapses divided by 8 sacks which he had a clean pocket for 4.5 seconds or longer = Somebodies stats are pee pee poo poo

Can someone check my work?

[redlichtie]

So many factors at play here, rather than any 1 thing they are all conspiring to create the mess we currently are.

as @HawkeyeJet pointed out, the running game has been mostly non-existent, teams are keying on Zach because the ground game isn’t causing anyone any sleepless nights. Obviously this ties in to the OL failures but it also exposes the generally held view that you don’t need to invest properly in your running back talent. Carter is talented and shifty but I can’t help feeling he’d be way more effective with a ‘bruiser’ carrying more of the load.

The ground game needs to get it together and provide some offensive momentum on it’s own rather than leaving it all down to the QB.

as others have mentioned, on the few occasions we’ve made a play or started to get something rolling we’ve been victimised by dumb penalties or drops. We just can’t put anything together without shooting ourselves in the foot. This is on coaching and preparation and execution…..it’s incredibly frustrating and keeps putting us in a hole. Guys have got to start making plays or even just stop making dumb plays. Every small victory when Zach makes a play gets eradicated and he has to start again, feels under pressure to force the issue and ends up either running for his life or making a bad decision.

finally, the tragic passing of Gregg Knapp is surely being felt here. He was one of the very few experienced coaching heads in the building that would’ve had the know-how to keep ZW calm and provide the necessary teaching week to week. It’s hard to expect Matt Cavanaugh to pick up on the work that Knapp and Wilson had presumably begun before the accident. I almost feel like it wouldn’t be the worst idea to get John Beck in the building for a few weeks, Beck worked with Knapp I believe and so could provide some continuity and familiarity that might just help our young QB settle amid the sea of adversity he’s having to deal with while his equally raw OC tries to work through his own novice lumps.

The QB is far from blameless here, but absolutely nothing is helping him out at all. The worry is he becomes so shell-shocked from the physical batterings and the mental barrage of information and noise that he is permanently scarred. The next few weeks we will find out for sure how tough he is mentally but someone’s got to step up and give him a break.

[redlichtie]

17 hours ago, rangerous said:

From Jet X site.  if wilson takes 3 seconds to throw and his line holds for 2 seconds then there's a problem.

"Wilson often holds the ball much too long. He has averaged 3.0 seconds from snap-to-throw this season, ranking fifth-highest out of 35 quarterbacks.

On average, Wilson’s sacks have occurred 3.79 seconds after the snap. That ranks sixth-highest, suggesting that many of his 15 sacks were avoidable."

 

We’ve seen a ton of plays where he’s had almost instant pressure and had to escape from the pocket, sometimes even while in the clutches of a defender, run around looking to make a play and then either throw it away, take the sack eventually or attempt a low-percentage deep heave to a covered receiver, usually without success ….there’s also the small matter of long-developing plays or guys simply not getting open underneath quickly enough, all of which will factor into the time between snap and release.

I’m not sure how these ‘stats’ differentiate but it would seem that these plays, of which there have been many, would mask the fact that it’s not the QB taking too long to throw but actually either needing to be patient in waiting for the routes to develop or extending the play in a desperate attempt to make something happen!…yes he’s taking 3 or more seconds before getting sacked but 2.9 of those seconds was him waiting for separation or running for his life

It’s worth stressing again that ZW has made some poor decisions and on occasion could have gotten the ball out quicker or has hesitated to throw to an open receiver but I’m not sure how accurate this assesment that his sacks were ‘avoidable’ is.

He’s far from blameless but he’s only part of a much wider problem.
 

[Irish Jet]

8 hours ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Maybe Van Rotten read the stat below, but yes, if 8 of the Wilson sacks are holding the ball for 4.5 seconds then between him and the OC they have to devise plays and for any passing play get rid of the ball much quicker than that:

 

The snap to sack metric is a little flawed as QB’s with greater escapability can delay the actual sack even if there’s immediate pressure. This was definitely the case with Zach and Fields a few times.

[Albaniajet]

13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Ah the good ole days

[FidelioJet]

12 hours ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Maybe Van Rotten read the stat below, but yes, if 8 of the Wilson sacks are holding the ball for 4.5 seconds then between him and the OC they have to devise plays and for any passing play get rid of the ball much quicker than that:

 

Let’s keep in mind.  They’ve been in 12 personnel far too often.  Under those circumstances holding the ball longer is to be expected.  Yet teams are still getting pressure very quickly.  
Zach hasn’t been great but it’s really tough to put just about any of this on him.