Stay. The. Course.

[#27TheDominator]

Stop being such a bunch of hypocritical pussies. 

All I kept hearing was that we need our own coach and QB.  We need to start from scratch.  That we need to develop younger players and stop wasting time playing vets.  Just this past season the board was overrun with posts complaining that Bell and Gore were on the field.  2015 is lambasted as a disaster because we didn't make the playoffs and developed nothing.  The board almost universally complains about late season wins because they cost us draft capital.  People would rather go 0-16 than 8-8.  Now they are doing what you asked and you whine like my son avoiding "rest your eyes time" at pre-school?  Suck it up.

Things have looked bad.  That is no guarantee of success, but it is not a guarantee of failure either.  Andy Reid started off -0-4 in Philly.  He was an offensive genius brought over from the Packers and his teams scored 29 points over the first 3 games including being shut out.  Sound familiar?  Kyle Shanahan, with these very guys on staff, started off 0-9 in SF.

sh*t may look up and it may not, but Douglas was a well respected hire.  He was not some dunce that couldn't handle a press conference brought over because he was the only guy willing to take on Rex.  He was not some coffee addled protege of a guy who goes to the wig store and asks for the Moe Howard.  He is a guy everybody said would right the ship and play the long game.  He is playing the long game.  Live with it.  Barring some real insanity he gets this year and next.   He should.  

[IndianaJet]

I wish there was a "post of the year" button.

 

[JustInFudge]

[kevinc855]

[kevinc855]

8 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Stop being such a bunch of hypocritical pussies. 

All I kept hearing was that we need our own coach and QB.  We need to start from scratch.  That we need to develop younger players and stop wasting time playing vets.  Just this past season the board was overrun with posts complaining that Bell and Gore were on the field.  2015 is lambasted as a disaster because we didn't make the playoffs and developed nothing.  The board almost universally complains about late season wins because they cost us draft capital.  People would rather go 0-16 than 8-8.  Now they are doing what you asked and you whine like my son avoiding "rest your eyes time" at pre-school?  Suck it up.

Things have looked bad.  That is no guarantee of success, but it is not a guarantee of failure either.  Andy Reid started off -0-4 in Philly.  He was an offensive genius brought over from the Packers and his teams scored 29 points over the first 3 games including being shut out.  Sound familiar?  Kyle Shanahan, with these very guys on staff, started off 0-9 in SF.

sh*t may look up and it may not, but Douglas was a well respected hire.  He was not some dunce that couldn't handle a press conference brought over because he was the only guy willing to take on Rex.  He was not some coffee addled protege of a guy who goes to the wig store and asks for the Moe Howard.  He is a guy everybody said would right the ship and play the long game.  He is playing the long game.  Live with it.  Barring some real insanity he gets this year and next.   He should.  

How long are we holding onto the guys resume instead of looking at the actual results of 2.5 wasted years from him

[kevinc855]

9 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

We need to start from scratch.

Actually, alot of us were not saying that but ok...

Good to vent....

[Joe W. Namath]

10 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Stop being such a bunch of hypocritical pussies. 

All I kept hearing was that we need our own coach and QB.  We need to start from scratch.  That we need to develop younger players and stop wasting time playing vets.  Just this past season the board was overrun with posts complaining that Bell and Gore were on the field.  2015 is lambasted as a disaster because we didn't make the playoffs and developed nothing.  The board almost universally complains about late season wins because they cost us draft capital.  People would rather go 0-16 than 8-8.  Now they are doing what you asked and you whine like my son avoiding "rest your eyes time" at pre-school?  Suck it up.

Things have looked bad.  That is no guarantee of success, but it is not a guarantee of failure either.  Andy Reid started off -0-4 in Philly.  He was an offensive genius brought over from the Packers and his teams scored 29 points over the first 3 games including being shut out.  Sound familiar?  Kyle Shanahan, with these very guys on staff, started off 0-9 in SF.

sh*t may look up and it may not, but Douglas was a well respected hire.  He was not some dunce that couldn't handle a press conference brought over because he was the only guy willing to take on Rex.  He was not some coffee addled protege of a guy who goes to the wig store and asks for the Moe Howard.  He is a guy everybody said would right the ship and play the long game.  He is playing the long game.  Live with it.  Barring some real insanity he gets this year and next.   He should.  

Stop making sense.  Its not tolerated around here.

[IndianaJet]

13 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Stop being such a bunch of hypocritical pussies. 

 

Personally, I prefer the term "Whiney little bitches" but your version is just as effective.

[Beerfish]

Almost no one is beefing at all in the least about us losing games.

People are beefing because most of the 'promising' players we have gone out and got or drafted look like garbage.

If we were losing but Elijah Moore was looking good, Michael carter was looking good, Zac Wilson was making some great plays and having errors.  Becton was not hurt all the time.

The offense though not producing big points as looking creative and promising.

That though losing all world Quinnen and mosley looked good.

The team flat out looks bad, the offensive scheme looks bad.

Realistic fans know the jets will stay the course as douglas and saleh are going no where for at least3 more years.

People totally have the right to be pissed, the team is almost unwatchable right now.

Win or look good losing.

 

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

Personally, I prefer the term "Whiney little bitches" but your version is just as effective.

I try not to repeat myself too much.

[Lith]

8 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

How long are we holding onto the guys resume instead of looking at the actual results of 2.5 wasted years from him

He is not going to be fired in season.  How about we at least wait and see how the next 14 games play out before makiing any decisions.  At this point, I want to see progress between now and December, hoping that we will have some reason to hope things are on the right track heading into next season.

Personally, I agree with Dom, that he likely has this year and next.  But he definitely has the next 14 games -- lets hope things get better. 

[#27TheDominator]

13 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

How long are we holding onto the guys resume instead of looking at the actual results of 2.5 wasted years from him

What exactly are you confused about?

Long enough for him to do his job.  He has had 3 games with his coach.  They get 2 seasons minimum.  @Beerfish says 3 seasons and that might be reasonable, but 2 is the least barring some kind of scandal. 

*Morons flying banners is not a scandal IMO

[doitny]

6 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

How long are we holding onto the guys resume instead of looking at the actual results of 2.5 wasted years from him

can i ask you this?

you want JD fired by the end of the year right? if that did happened then what does the new GM do? rip it all down again?

he must right? cause everything JD did was garbage right? 

the worst guy at drafting right? so how can we keep any? Mims, Becton, AVT, the Carters all gone. 

is that what you would do? cause im guessing you wouldn't rip this team up like that.

[OilfieldJet]

4 minutes ago, Lith said:

  But he definitely has the next 14 games -- lets hope things get better. 

I fine with being positive, but they can't get much worse.

[Lurker89]

Impatient morons gonna moron...

Many said it would be ugly ... go into hibernation it will be good for you.

[IndianaJet]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

Personally, I agree with Dom, that he likely has this year and next.  But he definitely has the next 14 games -- lets hope things get better. 

He absolutely has until at least the end of next year.  As far as I'm concerned, the 2020 draft is a wash on his record.  Drafting for a completely different system.  This didn't become JD's team until Gase was let go.  You can almost consider pre 2021 JD as a completely different GM.

In reality, barring continued putrid results, JD, Saleh and Wilson are linked for 2021, 2022 and 2023.  If they go 2-15 this year then 6-11 in 2022, you better believe it's still going to be JD, Saleh and Wilson again in 2023.

Buckle up boys, it's going to be an ugly ride and patience will be the key.

[kevinc855]

6 minutes ago, Lith said:

He is not going to be fired in season.  How about we at least wait and see how the next 14 games play out before makiing any decisions.  At this point, I want to see progress between now and December, hoping that we will have some reason to hope things are on the right track heading into next season.

Personally, I agree with Dom, that he likely has this year and next.  But he definitely has the next 14 games -- lets hope things get better. 

I generally agree he won’t get fired after this season. The hot seat will be very very warm at a 2-15ish type finish. 
 

I just don’t believe in his vision. It requires like an 80 percent hit rate on picks which has not been happening. You also have to hit on your one year “value” signings. You can’t let every veteran walk out the building and think there won’t be issues. If this is his rebuild I don’t like the job he’s doing. Switch it up 

[shuler82]

I agree. But the issue is that almost anytime in the last 40 years you could claim the Jets have no clue wtf they're doing, and in time you'd be proven correct - so its an easy position to take.

 It's ugly right now. Very ugly. I think most of use who had realistic expectations this year also assumed we'd show competence and signs of life. Let's hope the light goes on sooner than later because 'next year' is hard sell for a fanbase that has been waiting for next year for generations.

[mfmartin]

How long are we holding onto the guys resume instead of looking at the actual results of 2.5 wasted years from him

2.5 years?


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[kevinc855]

9 minutes ago, doitny said:

can i ask you this?

you want JD fired by the end of the year right? if that did happened then what does the new GM do? rip it all down again?

he must right? cause everything JD did was garbage right? 

the worst guy at drafting right? so how can we keep any? Mims, Becton, AVT, the Carters all gone. 

is that what you would do? cause im guessing you wouldn't rip this team up like that.

I’m confused by your question.

This team can’t be torn down anymore then it is. It’s clearly the worst roster in the NFL by miles 

[#27TheDominator]

21 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Almost no one is beefing at all in the least about us losing games.

People are beefing because most of the 'promising' players we have gone out and got or drafted look like garbage.

If we were losing but Elijah Moore was looking good, Michael carter was looking good, Zac Wilson was making some great plays and having errors.  Becton was not hurt all the time.

The offense though not producing big points as looking creative and promising.

That though losing all world Quinnen and mosley looked good.

The team flat out looks bad, the offensive scheme looks bad.

Realistic fans know the jets will stay the course as douglas and saleh are going no where for at least3 more years.

People totally have the right to be pissed, the team is almost unwatchable right now.

Win or look good losing.

 

Fair enough.  I get the complaints and anger.  Generally I share it.  I spend Sunday screaming at the TV like everyone else.  I just don't understand people acting like major changes are automatically called for at this point.  I expected this.  I expected it if they had Becton and Lawson.  I don't see how you can think everything must change if you expected it.  

[kevinc855]

4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Fair enough.  I get the complaints and anger.  Generally I share it.  I spend Sunday screaming at the TV like everyone else.  I just don't understand people acting like major changes are automatically called for at this point.  I expected this.  I expected it if they had Becton and Lawson.  I don't see how you can think everything must change if you expected it.  

Not sure what you are waiting on. This team isn’t close. Is it a developing team or a bad team. You are taking the rosy view that’s for sure 

[Maynard13]

Many screamed this approach But JD is failing in numerous accounts. His drafts are 50-50 right now. If not worse. His FA acquisitions SUCk azzholes. He’s got to stop spending good money on the Fant, Kahului and Feeny’s out there. Fix the damn OL by next year or GTFO. It’s imperative. I don’t want to hear it. Sign 2 FA accomplished OL and draft 2 with top picks. Stop ****in around.

[JetPotato]

I absolutely get all of what you are saying and agree. But understand that this is all just getting old. I came into this season with low expectations - not a lot of wins, but some improvement over last year. I was even prepared for the fact the win total may be the same or lower, but was still ok thinking that I'd be able to watch on Sundays to monitor the progress - an improved offensive line that could keep a young QB upright in order to commence his learning process. But it's pretty clear to me now all that has regressed. What I see now is a team that is as bad, if not worse, than last year. They are going to get Wilson killed out there. In fact, an injury would probably be a preferable outcome right now than to continue to run him out there behind a turnstile line, no one that can pick up a blitz and receivers that can't get open. All of that equates to formation of bad habits in a young QB that likely stay forever (or can be rehabbed later by a competent organization). What I see now are games that are completely unwatchable, not a single thing to be optimistic about, look forward to or enjoy. It's all garbage. We get whipped in every aspect of every game and it's just... old. I'm done for now. I long for enjoyment of Fall Sundays again. I don't see how it's going to be possible this season at all.

[playtowinthegame]

30 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

week 1

week 2

week 3

Week 4

[Pac]

The problem is they look worse than last year despite a much better roster with the exception of the qb.

Last week was as repulsive a performance I can recall seeing the last 35 years.

The product is currently grotesque.

[JTJet]

How in the F can you "stay the course" when you already drove the car off the road, down the mountain, crashed into a tree, and then blew up the car? 

You are what your results say you are. 

9-26 

 

[BigRy56]

 

[Drums]

33 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Almost no one is beefing at all in the least about us losing games.

People are beefing because most of the 'promising' players we have gone out and got or drafted look like garbage.

If we were losing but Elijah Moore was looking good, Michael carter was looking good, Zac Wilson was making some great plays and having errors.  Becton was not hurt all the time.

The offense though not producing big points as looking creative and promising.

That though losing all world Quinnen and mosley looked good.

The team flat out looks bad, the offensive scheme looks bad.

Realistic fans know the jets will stay the course as douglas and saleh are going no where for at least3 more years.

People totally have the right to be pissed, the team is almost unwatchable right now.

Win or look good losing.

 

That would last a week man

[FidelioJet]

Self Righteous BS...

Douglas has been bad.  This team is an absolute disgrace right now and has only gotten worse throughout his tenure.  What has he done to build confidence in him? What has he done that makes you say - even though the results suck, after three years I have reason to believe in him because ...?

Honestly, if you're watching the games and not just looking at stats - you must see how awful the team he's put on the field is.

The reality is, JD isn't going anywhere, but the other reality is - it's just wasting time because it's inevitable he will be gone in a couple of years....and we'll be starting over again.

Allowing him to manage next year's draft with 5 picks in the top 65 and $100mm in cap space will simply be another mistake in a long history of NY Jets ownership mistakes.

 

[EM31]

[dbatesman]

49 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

a guy who goes to the wig store and asks for the Moe Howard

legit LOL

[Drums]

JD is the most accomplished, respected GM we have hired since I’ve been watching. So yes lets fire him immediately*. Then what? Seriously, then what? Hire some new up and coming guy and make him work with a HC that he didn’t hire? We will want to fire both after another year because we need instant gratification. Are we dumb or crazy here? 

*By immediately, I do not mean the length of his Jets’ tenure but in the way of firing him “immediately” as in tomorrow, for example. 

[kevinc855]

9 minutes ago, JTJet said:

How in the F can you "stay the course" when you already drove the car off the road, down the mountain, crashed into a tree, and then blew up the car? 

You are what your results say you are. 

9-26 

 

And 7 of those wins came from mostly Macs team….
 

Just sayingggggg

[#27TheDominator]

17 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Not sure what you are waiting on. This team isn’t close. Is it a developing team or a bad team. You are taking the rosy view that’s for sure 

It's not a rosy view.  It's a realistic one.

Were the 49ers a bad team or a developing one in 2017?  Were the Eagles a bad team or a developing team in 1999?  If you gut the team every time things go badly you end up with what we have now and you never find out. 

 The Jets have been trying to satisfy the fans/press by making changes without starting over.  Since 2006 we have had the following:  OC forced on coach (2009) coach forced on GM (2013).  They tried a reset in 2015 that didn't last long then right back at it:  DC forced on coach (2019),  GM took over with coach in place (2019).

If they didn't dick around so much they could have ended up with a good GM in 2013 or a good coach in 2019.  You like how Darnold looks in Carolina?  That could have been us if we didn't try to force Williams on Rhule.  I found the Gregg Williams thing curious since he was pretty much disgraced as far as I am concerned.  

They are bad right now.  There are many, many reasons why they are bad.  They may improve, they may not, but firing everyone now isn't fixing anything.